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Bradley Manning wants plea deal

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Thursday, November 8, 2012 3:03 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Army private offers guilty plea in WikiLeaks case

FORT MEADE, Md. - The U.S. Army private charged with sending reams of government secrets to WikiLeaks is offering to plead guilty to some offenses.

Pfc. Bradley Manning's civilian defense attorney, David Coombs, revealed the offer Wednesday during a pretrial hearing at Fort Meade. The hearing continues Thursday.

Coombs says Manning isn't pleading guilty to the offenses charged by the government. Rather, he's offering to take responsibility for less serious offenses that are encapsulated within the charged crimes.

Even if the court accepts the offer, military prosecutors could still try to prove Manning guilty of the more serious charges. They include aiding the enemy, punishable by life imprisonment.

Coombs also says Manning has elected to be tried by a military judge, not a jury, at his trial in February.




http://www.wtop.com/209/3111108/Army-private-offers-guilty-plea-in-Wik
iLeaks-case


Interesting that he'd prefer to be tried by a military judge rather than a jury. Probably expects that a jury would want harsher sentencing.

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Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:34 AM

BYTEMITE


I wonder if there's a generation gap involved here. I consider Bradley a whistleblower. In the very least to me it seems like calling out your own forces for a known atrocity isn't treason or aiding the enemy, it's holding your country up to the standards the citizens expect it to meet.

This argument, I dunno, it kinda strikes me as ridiculous. It'd be like if the guys who came forward about My Lai was charged with helping the Vietcong.

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Three U.S. servicemen who had tried to halt the My Lai massacre and protect the wounded were initially denounced by several U.S. Congressmen as traitors in an attempt to cover up the massacre. They received hate mail and death threats and found mutilated animals on their doorsteps. The three were later widely praised and decorated by the army for their heroic actions.


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Tom Glen, a 21-year-old soldier of the 11th Light Infantry Brigade, wrote a letter to General Creighton Abrams, the new overall commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, accusing the Americal Division (and other units of the U.S. military) of routine and pervasive brutality against Vietnamese civilians. The letter was detailed and its contents echoed complaints received from other soldiers.


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Independently of Glen, Ronald Ridenhour, a former member of the 11th Infantry Brigade, sent a letter in March 1969 to thirty members of Congress imploring them to investigate the circumstances surrounding the "Pinkville" incident. Ridenhour had learned about the events at M? Lai secondhand from talking to members of Charlie Company over a period of months beginning in April 1968. He became convinced that something "rather dark and bloody did indeed occur" at M? Lai, and was so disturbed by the tales he heard that within three months of being discharged from the Army he penned his concerns to Congress. Most recipients of Ridenhour's letter ignored it, with the exception of Congressman Mo Udall and Senators Barry Goldwater and Edward Brooke. Udall urged the House Armed Services Committee to call on Pentagon officials to conduct an investigation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai

Has something happened to our country and our military where suddenly a majority swings more towards calling traitor when someone exposes a military coverup of warcrimes, instead of a minority? I have to say, the comparison of the mindsets is very troubling. It's almost as though we now condone war crimes as a means to justify the ends, and anyone who questions it is deemed a menace.

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Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Unless they release secret files on the aliens being held in Area 51, recovered from the Roswell NM crash, let him rot.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:33 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Has something happened to our country and our military where suddenly a majority swings more towards calling traitor when someone exposes a military coverup of warcrimes, instead of a minority? I have to say, the comparison of the mindsets is very troubling. It's almost as though we now condone war crimes as a means to justify the ends, and anyone who questions it is deemed a menace.



Indeed.

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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:04 PM

OONJERAH


Quote Bytemite: "Has something happened to our country
and our military -- "

Yes, Byte, you're absolutely right. Something real big &
real bad has happened to our country. (See "Sandy...
beyond the storm" thread where I posted a video with
President Eisenhower.)

As a kid in the 50's, I was totally proud to be an
American, and I had a right to be.

But we weren't perfect. So in the 60's-70's, there
were a lot of protests, aimed at making our country
more fair, more democratic, with true human rights
for all.
I guess somehow that failed, and a moral cancer set in.
After Viet Nam, the protests died down a lot. I don't
know why. The protesters graduated college and had to
get jobs maybe?

Even while the protesters complained of our inequities
at home, I gather, our now omnipotent Military-Industrial
Complex was methodically raping and pillaging the lands
in South America and the Middle East.

If you want to know more, Noam Chomsky is a good teacher.


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