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Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:04 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/f-22-crashe/


Another Day, Another $678 Million Stealth Jet Wrecked

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The Air Force admitted losing two of its 184 — make that 182 — top-of-the-line F-22 Raptor stealth fighters on Thursday. It was one of the worst days yet in what’s turning out to be a bad year for the pricey, radar-evading jet built by Lockheed Martin.

At 3:30 local time on Thursday an F-22, apparently belonging to the 325th Wing, a training unit based at Tyndall Air Force Base in the Florida panhandle, plunged into the ground in a wooded area inside the base perimeter near Highway 98, sparking a small fire.

The pilot ejected safely. “The cause of the crash is still under investigation and additional details will be provided as soon as they become available,” the flying branch said in a statement.

The same day, the Air Force copped to an earlier accident involving the stealth fighter, which costs as much as $678 million per copy (depending on how you crunch the numbers). On May 31, a student pilot on his second solo Raptor flight at Tyndall neglected to power up his jet’s engines fast enough after retracting the landing gear.

“Without sufficient thrust, the aircraft settled back to the runway, landing on its underside,” the Air Force explained in its official report, released on Thursday.

In June, 325th Wing spokesman Herman Bell said the incident would likely be categorized as a “class A” accident costing more than $2 million to fix.

In fact, the repair cost totals $35 million, the Air Force said yesterday. That could put the damaged stealth fighter out of action for years, assuming it gets patched up at all. The F-22 is made largely of advanced composite materials that are expensive and time-consuming to replace. The flying branch preserved the tooling from the shuttered Lockheed Raptor factory specifically for extensive repair jobs.

The recent crashes are only the latest bad news for the cutting-edge F-22, which currently ranks as the Air Force’s most accident-prone fighter. The last of the Raptors rolled out of the Marietta, Georgia, factor in December and flew into a veritable firestorm of controversy.

The Air Force twice grounded all or some of the fleet over concerns about the Raptor’s apparently faulty oxygen system, which might have contributed to a fatal crash in 2010. Two F-22 pilots even mutinied, refusing to fly the speedy, high-flying jet until the Air Force worked out its problems. Months of investigation costing millions of dollars failed to definitively solve the jet’s oxygen woes, although the Air Force is installing a backup oxygen generator just in case.

It seems clear neither the May crash nor yesterday’s incident are related to the stealth plane’s oxygen flaw. But that hardly softens the blow from the recent mishaps. The Air Force wanted 381 F-22s but in 2009 then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates cut that number to just 187, dismissing the pricey jet as a “niche, silver-bullet solution” to the Pentagon’s air-defense needs.

Normally the Air Force sets aside around15 percent of its fighters for backup and crash replacement. Not so in the case of the F-22. “There’s zero attrition reserve built into our fleet plan,” Maj. James Akers, then-chief of Air Combat Command’s Raptor branch, said last year.

Former presidential candidate Mitt Romney said he wanted to build more F-22s, but later retracted the statement. Despite the appearance of new Russian and Chinese stealth fighters, the Obama administration has not expressed any interest in reopening the Raptor production line, preferring instead to continue developing the smaller F-35.

But the F-35 has been repeatedly delayed, so much so that even once-stalwart defenders of the program — history’s most expensive weapons procurement — have wavered. That leaves the F-22 to hold the line mostly on its own for years to come. But every crash leaves the frontline Raptor squadrons with fewer jets, and less firepower in the unlikely event of a full-scale war.



They should've called the plane the Boondoggle instead of the Raptor. It would be a more fitting name.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."


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Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Something along the lines of "stealth my ass"...and jeez, what a waste!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, but they ARE stealthy - they can crash into your country before you ever know they're in trouble!




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, November 17, 2012 3:38 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
They should've called the plane the Boondoggle instead of the Raptor. It would be a more fitting name.



Considering that they're the aviation equivalent of an F1 car, they don't do too bad. And at least one and possibly two of the accidents listed might be pilot error.

Military planes are always pushing the bleeding edge of technology. I recently read a book about the B-29 in the bombing campaign against Japan, and they were apparently nothing but trouble, with engines that easily overheated and failed.

BTW, you going to the U.S. GP on Sunday?

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Saturday, November 17, 2012 3:51 PM

HERO


Bama phone! Want my Bama phone!

Oh, this thread is about OTHER tax dollars at work.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Saturday, November 17, 2012 4:24 PM

CHRISISALL


As long as there's no broken arrow, I don't see a real problem.

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:29 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:


BTW, you going to the U.S. GP on Sunday?




No can do. Prices are a bit beyond my reach this year. I'm consoling myself by watching lots and lots of coverage, local, national, international, and web, usually on at least two screens at a time...


By all accounts it's an amazing venue, though, so I'll look forward to getting out there at some point and turning some laps.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:11 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Oh, but they ARE stealthy - they can crash into your country before you ever know they're in trouble!

Priceless. Absolutely priceless.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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