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Biden says a shotgun will scare off intruders
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:42 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: If so, then I haven't been "backed into a corner" in what? Five or six years?
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:42 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:This gets back to the "need" argument. Does anyone "need" an AR-15? Does anyone "need" a Porterhouse steak? Does anyone "need" a car that goes over 70mph? Does anyone "need" alcoholic drinks? Should all these things be banned, along with anything that might hurt someone?
Quote:Given that there's several million AR-15 type weapons in the U.S., I'd say more than a FEW.
Quote:Apparently a number of folks who oppose banning such weapons think so, else you wouldn't be having this conversation.
Quote:And once again, ARs are generally lightweight, being made largely of aluminum and plastic
Quote:If not, on what do you base your suspicion? The word of Joe Biden?
Quote:I'm also kind of disturbed by your acceptance, if your assumptions were correct, of a 'negligible' increase in deaths if people didn't have AR-15 type weapons for protection.
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:09 PM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: I'm not saying that the AR is THE self-defense gun, but that it can be the proper choice for some people.
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:04 PM
Quote:I'm also kind of disturbed by your acceptance, if your assumptions were correct, of a 'negligible' increase in deaths if people didn't have AR-15 type weapons for protection.Don't know how the innocent folks who would presumably be sacrificed for your greater good would feel about that.
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: I'm not saying that the AR is THE self-defense gun, but that it can be the proper choice for some people. It all depends on the circumstances. Some guns are better then others in different situation or when used by people whose age, build, and (most importantly) experiance is a factor. Remember Clint Eastwood pulling that old Korean era M1 on those guys in Gran Torino, then later a old 1911, then just his finger. In every one of those situations he used the weapon of choice to resolve the situation exactly the way he intended.
Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:00 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Does anyone need Stinger missiles, RPGs, anthrax spores, nerve gas, hydrogen bombs...? Why ban some things that people may want Geezer, but not others? Reasonable, non-ideological people recognise that we have to draw the line somewhere and say which potentially dangerous items should be kept out of public hands. And the calculation, of course, is a trade off between how much benefit the item gives people, and how much harm it can potentially do them. It's less about freedom than you would like to think. Hence this discussion is a debate over how much benefit AR-15s give to people. We all know how much harm it can do.
Quote:Quote:Given that there's several million AR-15 type weapons in the U.S., I'd say more than a FEW. I meant a relative few, of course. What % of gun owners would reach for an AR-15 type weapon to confront a house-intruder do YOU think Geezer?
Quote:Quote:Apparently a number of folks who oppose banning such weapons think so, else you wouldn't be having this conversation. This assumes that people who buy AR-15s do so to protect themselves in their homes.
Quote:Quote:If not, on what do you base your suspicion? The word of Joe Biden? Well listening to you one would think that the AR-15 is the ultimate tool for home-defense. I have lingering suspicions otherwise (despite no personal experience to draw on) for a few reasons, including: 1) You haven't said that you would reach for that particular type of gun YOURSELF, in the situation I put to you - confronting a home invader at 3am. This makes me think that in your mind shotguns/handguns trump AR-15s in some way, that you refuse to actually come out and say, and probably still won't.
Quote:2) I haven't heard of many cases of homeowners confronting home-intruders with assault rifles - in news stories, or in film/TV. If they are relied upon to the extent you imply, I was honestly unaware
Quote:Quote:I'm also kind of disturbed by your acceptance, if your assumptions were correct, of a 'negligible' increase in deaths if people didn't have AR-15 type weapons for protection. I never said increase.
Quote:I think that number would be dwarfed by the number of FEWER people killed in wider gun violence, including mass shootings.
Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You don't seem nearly so disturbed by your own acceptance of the increase in deaths due to people using AR-15-type weapons for mass shootings. Certainly you don't seem concerned enough to want to do anything about it, and you seem quite happy enough to continue sacrificing innocent folks for your "greater good".
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:32 AM
JAYNEZTOWN
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:55 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:Also, its likely illegal. Most Cities and towns have ordinances against things like 'Discharging a Firearm Within City Limits'.
Quote:Many States also have the Castle Doctrine (which requires you to be inside your home and bars premptive action or pursuit).
Quote: Self defense is a pretty good defense, but it requires an actual threat, not the percieved threat the Vice President suggested. In effect the Vice President has advised millions of Americans to commit a crime if they feel nervous.
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