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The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping toward 75%

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Monday, May 27, 2013 9:41 AM

NIKI2

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The Census Bureau has reported that one out of six Americans lives in poverty. A shocking figure. But it's actually much, much worse. Inequality is spreading like a shadowy disease through our country, infecting more and more households, and leaving a shrinking number of financially secure families to maintain the charade of prosperity.

1. Almost half of Americans had NO assets in 2009

Analysis of Economic Policy Institute data shows that Mitt Romney's famous 47 percent, the alleged 'takers,' have taken nothing. Their debt exceeded their assets in 2009.

2. It's Even Worse 3 Years Later

Since the recession, the disparities have continued to grow. An OECD report states that "inequality has increased by more over the past three years to the end of 2010 than in the previous twelve," with the U.S. experiencing one of the widest gaps among OECD countries. The 30-year decline in wages has worsened since the recession, as low-wage jobs have replaced formerly secure middle-income positions.

3. Based on wage figures, over half of Americans are now IN poverty.

According to IRS data, the average household in the bottom 50% brings in about $18,000 per year. That's less than the poverty line for a family of three ($19,000) or a family of four ($23,000).

Census income figures are about 25% higher, because they include unemployment compensation, workers' compensation, Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, public assistance, veterans' payments, and various other monetary sources. Based on this supplemental income, the average household in the bottom 50% brings in about $25,000, which is just above the $23,000 poverty line for a family of four.

4. Based on wage figures, 75% of Americans are NEAR poverty.

According to IRS data, the average household in the bottom 75% earns about $31,000 per year. To be eligible for food assistance, a family can earn up to 130% of the federal poverty line, or about $30,000 for a family of four.

Again, Census income figures are about 25% higher because of SNAP reporting requirements, bringing average household income for the bottom 75% to about $39,000.

Incredibly, Congress is trying to cut food assistance. Republican Congressman Stephen Fincher of Tennessee referred to food stamps as "stealing." He added a Biblical quote: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." A recent jobs hearing in Washington was attended by one Congressman.

5. Putting it in Perspective

Inequality is at its ugliest for the hungriest people. While food support was being targeted for cuts, just 20 rich Americans made as much from their 2012 investments as the entire 2012 SNAP (food assistance) budget, which serves 47 million people.

And as Congress continues to cut life-sustaining programs, its members should note that their 400 friends on the Forbes list made more from their stock market gains last year than the total amount of the food, housing, and education budgets combined.

Mr. Fincher should think about the tax breaks that allow this to happen, and then tell us who's stealing from whom. http://www.alternet.org/economy/real-numbers-half-america-poverty-and-
its-creeping-toward-75-0


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Monday, May 27, 2013 10:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Thanks for the article, Niki.

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Monday, May 27, 2013 11:01 AM

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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:50 AM

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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:49 AM

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The link you provided shows a somewhat different article, and this note.

"Note: This is an updated, corrected version of the original article, approved by the author."

Sevveral of the figures have been changed, and the 75% near poverty comment is now not mentioned.



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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thank you; I don't want to be offering incomplete or inaccurate data. Here is the updated version:
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The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping Upward

The Census Bureau has reported that one out of six Americans lives in poverty. A shocking figure. But it's actually much, much worse.

The Census Bureau has reported that 15% of Americans live in poverty. A shocking figure. But it's actually much worse. Inequality is spreading like a shadowy disease through our country, infecting more and more households, and leaving a shrinking number of financially secure families to maintain the charade of prosperity.
1. Almost half of Americans had NO assets in 2009

Analysis of Economic Policy Institute data shows that Mitt Romney's famous 47 percent, the alleged 'takers,' have taken nothing. Their debt exceeded their assets in 2009.

2. It's Even Worse 3 Years Later

Since the recession, the disparities have continued to grow. An OECD report states that "inequality has increased by more over the past three years to the end of 2010 than in the previous twelve," with the U.S. experiencing one of the widest gaps among OECD countries. The 30-year decline in wages has worsened since the recession, as low-wage jobs have replaced formerly secure middle-income positions.

3. Based on wage figures, half of Americans are in or near poverty.

The IRS reports that the highest wage in the bottom half of earners is about $34,000. To be eligible for food assistance, a family can earn up to 130% of the federal poverty line, or about $30,000 for a family of four.

Even the Census Bureau recognizes that its own figures under-represent the number of people in poverty. Its Supplemental Poverty Measure increases, by 50%, the number of Americans who earn between one-half and two times the poverty threshold.

4. Based on household expense totals, poverty is creeping into the top half of America.

A family in the top half, making $60,000 per year, will have their income reduced by a total tax bill of about $15,000 ($3,000 for federal income tax and $12,000 for payroll, state, and local taxes. The Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Census Bureau agree that food, housing, and transportation expenses will deduct another $30,000, and that total household expenditures will be about $50,000. That leaves nothing.

Nothing, that is, except debt. The median debt level rose to $75,600 in 2009, while the median family net worth, according to the Federal Reserve, dropped from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010.

5. Putting it in Perspective

Inequality is at its ugliest for the hungriest people. While food support was being targeted for cuts, just 20 rich Americans made as much from their 2012 investments as the entire 2012 SNAP (food assistance) budget, which serves 47 million people.

And as Congress continues to cut life-sustaining programs, its members should note that their 400 friends on the Forbes list made more from their stock market gains last year than the total amount of the food, housing, and education budgets combined.

Arguments about poverty won't end. Neither should our efforts to uncover the awful truth. http://www.alternet.org/economy/real-numbers-half-america-poverty-and-
its-creeping-toward-75-0



It would have sufficed quite nicely for the original article, the picture it paints is ugly enough. And good for them for revising anything they thought was in error.

It doesn't change the issue one iota, and if any of those figures were high, we have only to wait a year or so for them to catch up; the trend has been set for quite some time and will continue on the same path.

The ISSUE is the same.


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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:36 PM

CHRISISALL


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Not for some of the more apparently comfortable folks here- it's another statistics smokescreen, like climate change. It won't exist until it comes knocking at THEIR door.

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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:38 PM

AURAPTOR

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I'm doing my part by not being poor.



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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:01 PM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Niki2:
3. Based on wage figures, half of Americans are in or near poverty.

The IRS reports that the highest wage in the bottom half of earners is about $34,000. To be eligible for food assistance, a family can earn up to 130% of the federal poverty line, or about $30,000 for a family of four.



Even in the 'corrected' version, the figures are fudged.

These figures pretty much assume that everyone in the $34,000 or less income range is a family of four, since that puts them close to the poverty line. However, around 46 million returns in 2010 (around 32% of all returns) were filed by single persons who had no dependents and could not file Unmarried Head of Household or either Married status. Want to be that a lot of low income folks are Single?

For cites: http://www.irs.gov/uac/SOI-Tax-Stats---Individual-Statistical-Tables-b
y-Filing-Status



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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:16 PM

CHRISISALL


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Want to be that a lot of low income folks are Single?


What? I mean, is that a typo? I'm not getting what you mean here.

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Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:15 PM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Want to be that a lot of low income folks are Single?


What? I mean, is that a typo? I'm not getting what you mean here.



Why, yes. It is a typo.

Should be, "Want to bet that a lot of low income folks are Single?"

As in, the author of the revised article mentions an income rate that would put a family of four under the poverty line, and then suggests that since a certain number of tax returns have that income, all the folks who make that amount or less are under the poverty line. Seems unlikely, unless all folks filing as Single make more than that amount. But you knew that from my previous post.


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