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Police can collect DNA from arrestees, court says

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Monday, June 3, 2013 11:10 AM

GEEZER

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- A sharply divided Supreme Court on Monday cleared the way for police to take a DNA swab from anyone they arrest for a serious crime, endorsing a practice now followed by more than half the states as well as the federal government.

The justices differed strikingly on how big a step that was.

"Taking and analyzing a cheek swab of the arrestee DNA is, like fingerprinting and photographing, a legitimate police booking procedure that is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the court's five-justice majority. The ruling backed a Maryland law allowing DNA swabbing of people arrested for serious crimes.

But the four dissenting justices said the court was allowing a major change in police powers, with conservative Justice Antonin Scalia predicting the limitation to "serious" crimes would not last.

"Make no mistake about it: Because of today's decision, your DNA can be taken and entered into a national database if you are ever arrested, rightly or wrongly, and for whatever reason," Scalia said in a sharp dissent which he read aloud in the courtroom. "This will solve some extra crimes, to be sure. But so would taking your DNA when you fly on an airplane -- surely the TSA must know the 'identity' of the flying public. For that matter, so would taking your children's DNA when they start public school."

Maryland Attorney General Doug Gansler agreed that there's nothing stopping his state from expanding DNA collection from those arrested for serious crimes to those arrested for lesser ones like shoplifting.

"I don't advocate expanding the crimes for which you take DNA, but the legal analysis would be the same," Gansler said. "The reason why Maryland chooses to only take DNA of violent criminals is that you're more likely to get a hit on a previous case. Shoplifters don't leave DNA behind, rapists do, and so you're much more likely to get the hit in a rape case."

Twenty-eight states and the federal government now take DNA swabs after arrests. But a Maryland court said it was illegal for that state to take Alonzo King's DNA without approval from a judge, ruling that King had "a sufficiently weighty and reasonable expectation of privacy against warrantless, suspicionless searches" under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.

The high court's decision reverses that ruling and reinstates King's rape conviction, which came after police took his DNA during an unrelated arrest.

Kennedy, who is often considered the court's swing vote, wrote the decision along with conservative-leaning Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas. They were joined by liberal-leaning Justice Stephen Breyer, while the dissenters were the conservative-leaning Scalia and liberal Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

Kennedy called collecting DNA useful for police in identifying individuals.

"The use of DNA for identification is no different than matching an arrestee's face to a wanted poster of a previously unidentified suspect, or matching tattoos to known gang symbols to reveal a criminal affiliation, or matching the arrestee's fingerprints to those recovered from a crime scene," Kennedy said. "DNA is another metric of identification used to connect the arrestee with his or her public persona, as reflected in records of his or her actions that are available to police."

But the American Civil Liberties Union said the court's ruling created "a gaping new exception to the Fourth Amendment."

"The Fourth Amendment has long been understood to mean that the police cannot search for evidence of a crime -- and all nine justices agreed that DNA testing is a search -- without individualized suspicion," said Steven R. Shapiro, the group's legal director. "Today's decision eliminates that crucial safeguard. At the same time, it's important to recognize that other state laws on DNA testing are even broader than Maryland's and may present issues that were not resolved by today's ruling."



http://www.wtop.com/319/3345170/Police-can-collect-DNA-from-arrestees-
court-says


The Justice Department filed and Amicus brief in favor of allowing DNA collection from suspects.

http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/supreme_court_
preview/briefs-v2/12-207_pet_amcu_usa.authcheckdam.pdf


"Amendment 4
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I'd think that your DNA might be considered part of your "person", if not your "effects". Can't see why a warrant for DNA could not be issued if law enforcement needs it.

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Monday, June 3, 2013 11:35 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I don't understand what Scalia's problem is other than he may be trying to do the "Roberts thing" of trying to make nice to the liberals who will define his legacy one day. Regardless, it's a great ruling for law enforcement and victims of violent crime. Hooray!

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Monday, June 3, 2013 12:54 PM

1KIKI

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I'm glad they reached that verdict - DNA testing in not nearly as intrusive as body cavity searches (it's a simple mouth swab), not as useful to third parties as functional DNA testing (forensic DNA tests only 'junk DNA' markers), not as easily hacked as your credit card number (DNA taken from a scene is linked to an ID only in local databases, not in the national CODIS registry), and not as messy as fingerprinting (which leaves you stained).

I have only one caveat that I would apply to ALL biometric identifying evidence gathered: once a suspect is cleared, the evidence should be as well. Any evidence not cleared from the system should be both directly inadmissible later on, as well as any evidence gathered from using it to find further evidence.

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Monday, June 3, 2013 12:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... trying to make nice to the liberals who will define his legacy one day."

Making ASSumptions like usual, little Jongsie? It amuses me greatly to see our little ASSumer so busy at work!



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Monday, June 3, 2013 3:51 PM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm glad they reached that verdict - DNA testing in not nearly as intrusive as body cavity searches (it's a simple mouth swab), not as useful to third parties as functional DNA testing (forensic DNA tests only 'junk DNA' markers), not as easily hacked as your credit card number (DNA taken from a scene is linked to an ID only in local databases, not in the national CODIS registry), and not as messy as fingerprinting (which leaves you stained).



But if there's reasonable cause to think someone committed a crime, it shouldn't be that hard to gat a warrant for their DNA, and it's certainly not going away, so why not wait for a warrant?


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Wednesday, June 5, 2013 6:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"But if there's reasonable cause to think someone committed a crime, it shouldn't be that hard to gat a warrant for their DNA, and it's certainly not going away, so why not wait for a warrant?"

Why is DNA different from fingerprints?

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Wednesday, June 5, 2013 6:50 PM

KWICKO

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Hell, here in Austin they'll take your blood without your consent if you're suspected of DUI.


Seems that would violate the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, but it's been going on for quite a while.



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Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:08 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But if there's reasonable cause to think someone committed a crime, it shouldn't be that hard to gat a warrant for their DNA, and it's certainly not going away, so why not wait for a warrant?"

Why is DNA different from fingerprints?



To me, the same question applies to fingerprints. If you have someone in custody for a violent crime, their fingerprints aren't going away any more than their DNA. Why not get a warrant?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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