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Is the South Dragging the Rest of the Nation Down?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, July 8, 2013 09:21
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Friday, July 5, 2013 9:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I thought of these words while reading Chuck Thompson’s “Better Off Without ’Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession.” Or rather, rereading. On its release in August, I dismissed it because the author is rude and obnoxious and because his chapter on football in the South is utterly lacking in logic and sound history. Thompson doesn’t think that the Alabama Crimson Tide has the greatest tradition in college football. But I digress. (More on football later.)

Over the past months, however, I’ve become more convinced by Thompson’s main argument, that the South—the states that comprised the Old Confederacy—should not only be allowed to secede, but both countries created by the split would be better off.

Most of Thompson’s main points are in the first 40 pages:

—“It’s too bad that we just didn’t let the South secede when we had the chance.”

—“Everyone has joked about a modern-day secession. Politicians, like Texas Governor and presidential hopeful Rick Perry, have even threatened it. But what would the measurable impact be if it actually happened? … In fact, for both sides, an exciting by-product of separation would be an explosion of southern tourism. … ”

—“With time, Americans would start thinking of the South as another Mexico, only with a more corrupt government.”

—“The South has operated like a competing nation in cannibalizing and degrading Michigan and the American auto industry.”

—“ … [A] union based on such a diametrically opposed approach to social organization—uncompromising Bible literalism versus protean secular law—is like a bad marriage that needs to end in order to save the children. … “

—“All these gloom and doomers … whining about a world on the brink of extinction are descendants of the Lost Cause defeatism fostered and fetishized in post Civil War southern churches. …”




http://www.alternet.org/south-dragging-rest-nation-down?paging=off

Laughed my ass over this one. Then I thought... better check our govt petition page to see if there are some secessionist ones I can sign!

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Friday, July 5, 2013 10:39 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ayep, and imma throw a log on the fire myself, too, cause I am like that.

Ayn Rand Worshippers Should Face Facts: Blue States Are the Providers, Red States Are the Parasites

http://www.alternet.org/story/154338/ayn_rand_worshippers_should_face_
facts%3A_blue_states_are_the_providers%2C_red_states_are_the_parasites?paging=off


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So we've got every right to get good and angry about the fact that, by and large, the people who are getting our money are so damned ungrateful -- not to mention so ridiculously eager to spend it on stuff we don't approve of. We didn't ship them our hard-earned tax dollars to see them squandered on worse-than-useless abstinence-only education, textbooks that teach creationism, crisis-pregnancy misinformation centers, subsidies for GMO crops and oil companies, and so on. And we sure as hell didn't expect to be rewarded for our productivity and generosity with a rising tide of spittle-flecked insanity about how we’re just a bunch of immoral, godless, drug-soaked, sex-crazed, evil America-hating traitors who can’t wait to hand the country over to the Islamists and the Communists.

So... kiss my ass, you wanna secede, MORE POWER TO YOU, and good riddance!

Were it not for Huey Long, the infamous Kingfish, who advanced PROGRESSIVE values in your backwater, willfully ignorant, corporate-servile little petty world, even at the cost of his own life, the south would be even more of a cesspool than it already is, a dirt poor bastion of ignorance and slavery in all but name to morons who advance their causes at your expense by playing on your native stupidity and gullibility, two "values" that you celebrate despite the obvious destruction they cause both to you and everything around you.

Fekk, if I had my way, it wouldn't be secession, it would be EVICTION!



Take THAT, ya willfully, deliberately ignorant and obnoxious gits.

-Frem

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Saturday, July 6, 2013 3:28 AM

WHOZIT


Companys are leaving the northern BLUE states to flee high taxes and leach unions. Film studios are laying off hundereds in southern California and are shooting more films in the south, they've built lots with sound stages in F.L. and S.C. Morena's show "Homeland" is filmed in N.C. Gun companys are moving out of unfriendly nothern states to S.C. and T.X. You don't have to dare these people and companys to leave, you repell them...and they really don't give a rats ass what you libs think.

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Saturday, July 6, 2013 3:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Seriously. Unemployment in N. vs S states,quality of life, etc ... this thread reads like an Onion bit, or Swift's - A Modest Proposal.

Not to be taken seriously, one bit.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, July 6, 2013 6:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I say - good bye and good rid! Oh, did that sound too mean? How about - don't go away mad, just go away.

Buh bye now


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Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:21 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I say - good bye and good rid! Oh, did that sound too mean? How about - don't go away mad, just go away.

Buh bye now




I wonder how they feel in Detriot now since so many companys and the middle class left. They're the ones saying "Good Riddance!"

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Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Two things seem obvious to me: America is too big to be one country; but splitting into two (which would only be North/South) would be disastrous for both.

However, the ACTUAL shift is to the South and to the West, despite what some would like to believe. "U.S. Population Shift Accelerates to South, West States", http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-22/u-s-population-shift-accelera
tes-to-south-west-states-2010-census-shows.html
; "By the Grid: Population Shift to the West and South", http://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/024/.

As for businesses, they are always shifting and always have historically. Unless someone can show some facts on the matter, my impression has been that for quite some time businesses are moving OUTSIDE the states more than shifting North or South. Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.


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Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:27 AM

BYTEMITE


>_>

I kinda want all the states to secede.

And then I'd get the holy fuck out of Utah. Fast.

But having to give up my favourite mountains and wilderness would be worth it if it meant people could live how they wanted to.

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Saturday, July 6, 2013 8:33 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Interesting to see folks who consider vast swathes of the country to be filled with homogenious masses of stereotypes.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, July 6, 2013 8:52 AM

WHOZIT


So if you libs can't have one douchebag commie America you want to break it apart? Great idea! You can keep California!

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Sunday, July 7, 2013 6:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, since I live here... cool! I think we'll do better without you!

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Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Interesting to see folks ..."

Which folks? Name names.

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Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, let's see... about those stereotypes... not that anyone stereotypes libruls as "damn yankees", or "crazy californians", or anything.

It's not the people in those states, its the states themselves... always at the bottom of education, health care, median income, and environmental protection. Willing to be turned into a dirt-poor free-trade zone. Always at the top of religiosity, meth use, obesity, and anti-gubmint politicians who somehow still get big handouts from daddy-gubmint. A toxic brew, tolerated and even advocated by a majority of it's often fat, toothless, ignorant stereotypes... er, I mean citizens!

Poor california... silicon valley, big agricultural output, largest western USA port. I mean, wow. What would we do without ya'll?


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Monday, July 8, 2013 4:16 AM

BYTEMITE


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Always at the top of religiosity, meth use, obesity, and anti-gubmint politicians who somehow still get big handouts from daddy-gubmint. A toxic brew, tolerated and even advocated by a majority of it's often fat, toothless, ignorant stereotypes... er, I mean citizens!


Hey... I'm not tolerant... :(

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Monday, July 8, 2013 4:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Sorry Byte, I'm just poking at some of our southern brethren here. Actually, tho, this came up a few month ago in regards to... oh, I forget what the south and midwest were so outraged about, but Rick Perry and a whole bunch of politicians were talking secession at the time. My reaction then was the same as now: FINE!

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Monday, July 8, 2013 6:42 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, let's see... about those stereotypes... not that anyone stereotypes libruls as "damn yankees", or "crazy californians", or anything.

It's not the people in those states, its the states themselves... always at the bottom of education, health care, median income, and environmental protection. Willing to be turned into a dirt-poor free-trade zone. Always at the top of religiosity, meth use, obesity, and anti-gubmint politicians who somehow still get big handouts from daddy-gubmint. A toxic brew, tolerated and even advocated by a majority of it's often fat, toothless, ignorant stereotypes... er, I mean citizens!

Poor california... silicon valley, big agricultural output, largest western USA port. I mean, wow. What would we do without ya'll?




You can also note that California was a Republic of its own for a while, like Texas. But we don't make a big deal out of it, like Texas does, and don't threaten to secede periodically , like Texas does, even tho' we're the big money-teat that a lot of other states are sucking on, tax-wise.

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Monday, July 8, 2013 8:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Sig:
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Interesting to see folks who consider vast swathes of the country to be filled with homogenious masses of stereotypes.


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Well, let's see... about those stereotypes... not that anyone stereotypes libruls as "damn yankees", or "crazy californians", or anything.

Yup, I found that one pretty amusing, too.

WE're not the ones threatening secession, if you guys hadn't noticed. We're quite happy to love our country and keep trying to improve it, not screaming "revolution!" and "secession!" whenever we don't get our way.

Just for fun, I took some time and checked out some rankings for the things you mentioned, Sig. Gonna put 'em up as a separate thread. Good for a giggle...


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Monday, July 8, 2013 9:21 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Interesting to see folks who consider vast swathes of the country to be filled with homogenious masses of stereotypes.


Isn't it though ?

So how's it TASTE when it's on YOUR plate, hmmm ?

Which was the whole point of my rather intentionally malicious humor about it all, dishing back what is so often dished out, not so funny when someone aims that crap at you is it now ? maybe you and the resta the rightwing horde ought think about that before ya open your mouths to spew such at everyone else next time around.

-Frem

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