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"How Talk Radio and Fox News Brainwashed My Dad"

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Friday, October 11, 2013 7:22 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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October 10, 2013 Jen Senko is a filmmaker who watched in horror as her father slowly came to believe the extreme right-wing lies of Rush Limbaugh and other conservative media mavens. Now she’s making a documentary about it called The Brainwashing of My Dad.

Senko's first documentary, Road Map Warrior Women, won recognition with several festival awards. Her most recent film, The Vanishing City, won Best Feature Documentary in the Williamsburg International Film Festival, Best Short Documentary in the Harlem International Film Festival, and Honorable Mention in the Los Angeles International Film Festival.

Jen Senko: I remember the first time I really noticed it. My dad picked me up from the bus station when I was visiting from New York. On the way home we passed a Hooters and he started complaining about the "attack" against Hooters by the establishment, and saying how silly it was and how it interfered with our freedom.

He was frighteningly angry—excited, argumentative, belligerent... I didn’t understand why. I tried to change the subject and said something about all the SUVs I was seeing on the road—this was in the '80s, when they first came out. My dad had always been a “non-waster” and tightwad—anytime he got gas he marked it down in a little book to keep track of how much he was spending—so I thought he would agree. I was flabbergasted when he got even angrier and threatened to pull over and let me hitchhike the rest of the way home.

If you said anything that he would disagree with politically, it would trigger an extremely large reaction.

When I was growing up, no one seemed particularly political. Both my parents were Democrats. Republicans were just other people. My father used to get to work in a car pool when we were growing up in West Long Branch, NJ. When he got a promotion, we moved to Maryland and then he had a long-distance solo drive to work. He started listening to talk radio to pass the time.

He didn’t like to waste time so driving and listening to talk radio I’m sure seemed "educational" to him. It was Bob Grant. Bob Grant was a bombastic, rude, openly racist and sexist radio host. And very slowly, my dad began to change.

Then when he started listening to Rush Limbaugh, that was when I started getting worried. He hated Bill Clinton with a passion I thought was bordering on obsessive. As for why it happened, at this point I can only guess. Unlike my mother, he was easily influenced and seemed to respond to anything he thought was not fair or unjust. He was sort of naïve in a way—people would tell him a story and he would be a little gullible, because he had an open personality.

So when Rush Limbaugh told him that poor people and Mexicans and blacks and feminazis were to blame for well, everything, he got mad too and took it up as his cause. He would get super-angry and bite the middle of his tongue and look like he was going to explode.

When I was growing up my dad seemed to love everybody. I never heard any kind of talk against any race or ethnicity. He was funny and goofy and talked to anybody....When I was in college I knew a lot of gays, and he was friendly and even gregarious and even thought them "cultured." He wasn't prejudiced at all. It wasn't until later that he underwent a radical change.

I remember one time in particular when we went to New York to go to Radio City Music Hall. A black homeless man asked him for money. My father called him sir and gave him money. That is imprinted on my memory. When my dad changed, he became obsessive. He got angrier. After he retired, he would sit in the kitchen and eat his lunch and listen to Rush Limbaugh for three full hours a day. God forbid you interrupt Rush. He tried to inject his political views into any conversation he had, with anybody. Around Christmas-time (not just on Christmas Day) he would be sure to shout “Merry Christmas” to anyone and everyone, because he believed that liberals were engaging in a war on Christmas.

He believed it when Rush Limbaugh told him that climate change is a hoax. He called Al Gore an “asshole”—-by then he could not be moved. He also would compliment smokers on smoking. When we would go to a restaurant and people sat outside to smoke, he would take a deep breath and exclaim how good it smelled.

This was because Rush Limbaugh told him that the scientists were lying about the findings about smoking—-oh, and those greedy scientists just wanted funding money and that’s why they were perpetrating this myth about climate change being caused by humans. You couldn’t argue with him. He was one angry, whirling, right-wing dervish.

I’ve been told that using the word “conspiracy” is not a good idea. But there were specific plans drawn up, some in secret, by members of the Republican elite to create a major change from the political direction the country was moving in (namely more progressive) to one with much more emphasis on business through, in large part, the media. Those forces turned into changes in the media and the language and framing of values and messages like “liberal media” being repeated over and over. They created scapegoats to blame, and produced a hostility within him towards other people that he felt should be making it on their own—no excuses! He became convinced that if they were suffering it was their own fault.

There is an intimate connection between the radio and the listener. As for the effect it has on people, I think any message told repeatedly has an effect on people. It works in advertising and it works in forming one’s political views.

My dad knows that I'm making a film about him. I'm always filming something. He's proud of me. We get along great now. I love him to pieces. And I won't give the film away but he is not the same person he was three years ago. My father has always loved me, but I think had this film been made during the time of his political obsession that love would have been greatly tested.

The right-wing media noise machine has had a profound affect on lives of individuals, whether they listen to it or not. Rush's audience is 72% men and most are white over the age of 65, and with Fox and other outlets, it’s similar stats. You can somewhat understand the draw for white men. In the past, it was almost a guarantee that merely by being a white male one could assume a good job and a certain social status. Their roles in the world were turned upside-down during the civil rights era of the '60s and '70s. Men had very specific roles and suddenly they were being challenged by women and minorities. They either had to adapt or reinvent themselves or find a sympathetic voice that told them it wasn't their fault and there were groups to blame. And that anger, even though it's anger, is still passion. It provides a purpose and I believe anger can be addictive. It can be a rush.

The answer is deprogramming by exposing lies, but part of the problem is how to get them to listen. Perhaps some people think that brainwashing is an exaggeration, but I, and others, have seen profound and frightening changes in people they would never have imagined possible. What is brainwashing? In the '50s and '60s when there were red-scare movies like The Manchurian Candidate—those movies showed how someone could be led to act against their own beliefs and their own interests. My father voted against his own interests as do many of these Fox viewers and right-wing radio listeners. How is that different from the notion of brainwashing?

I think it is impossible not to have a bias in media. But, I also think there is a difference between facts and opinion. Right-wingers I know always challenge me with that question. And I answer it this way: I say MSNBC largely is a "tattletale." They talk about and try to expose the right's lies.

The second thing MSNBC does that Fox doesn't do is correct themselves when they make a mistake. They are, however, decidedly pro-administration and since they have a corporate media structure behind them they can't go too liberal. As Jeff Cohen would say, there's a very narrow debate in the news. You have extreme right, right and left.

Media can be a form of brainwashing depending on the viewer/listener. Most people who choose to ingest one type of media are going to get influenced by that media. Unless people read a lot on their own—and most people don’t have time to—they will listen to and believe whatever is fed them. And that’s easier to do when you have uneducated masses of people.

A less educated mass also serves the corporate purpose. Thus the push for charter schools, by the way. They can teach them what they want to teach them. There are also those who gravitate toward an authoritarian media who blame others for your troubles. If people aren’t doing well in life, it gives them a passion to be angry and have someone else to blame, like poor people and minorities.

Most journalists work for a corporate-owned media. That said, corporations have an agenda and like many corporations they want to keep costs down and provide “gains” for their shareholders. So they don’t pay the journalist what they need to be paid in order to do a thorough job. And most importantly, a “thorough job” wouldn’t serve their corporate interest anyway.

Though there are some great journalists who write for truly independent online publications, documentarians now are also telling the stories in another medium that can possibly reach more people and with less outside influence. There are many books out there but we need film. It’s more accessible to more people. In my wildest dreams I would hope that it becomes one of those "known" things that Fox News is Faux News and convinces people to vote against their own interests and hate anybody who doesn't think like they do. I would like for their jig to be up.

As I see Fox News being played in more and more doctors' offices, airports, lobbies of any sort, ask your doctor or whomever why they would choose to show such a divisive program, and ask them to please stop. My mom has done it. I have done it. It doesn’t take that much time to do. Just politely complain and suggest they show something more neutral. That’s just one among many things. http://www.alternet.org/media/how-talk-radio-and-fox-news-brainwashed-
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There's our Rap/Jong/Wulf/zit/etc. in a nutshell. It sounds like her father eventually "woke up"...I'm happy for him and can only hope for the others. I didn't know that bit about FauxNews worming its way into "doctors' offices, airports, lobbies of any sort", that's worrying.

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Not "your" dad, but "a" dad... right?

I'd say the same about Grandma but she voted for Nader and Paul even though she watches FN WAY too much and is only just coming to realize that now.

The thing I can't get is how you can be so adamant that not only is your position on anything you post 100% correct, but you're also so adamant that you aren't suffering from the tiniest bit of brainwashing yourself.....?

Maybe you are completely right.

I'm sitting cross-legged, or as we called in pre-school in the early-80's "Indian Style".

I'd like to hear the story about how you came to believe in what you believe in today and how your opinion, among nearly 7 billions of other opinions is the one that is right.

At least, that IS what's happening here, right?

That is the "end-game" with every single topic you post about, right?


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Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think this is a profoundly true insight. Most ppl in the USA are brainwashed, and about 35% are truly crazy: they believe in things - like young creationism, or trickle-down economics - which have absolutely no observable basis. Which, in fact, are contradicted by daily experience. It takes a deep kind of brainwashing to be able to wipe out daily experience.

There are a couple pf reasons for this, but one of them is that anger is a profoundly energizing emotion. Anger is addictive, it feels better to be angry (and therefore feeling in control) than to feel worried, or sad, or doubtful, or helpless.

The other is that the Republican Party specifically has a special need for brainwashed people because they were going to Ride the Crazy Train to Power. Beginning in the 80's, the Repubs targeted evangelicals (Hallelujah!) to be their "base". Now, if Evangelicals aren't Truly Crazy People, then such a category doesn't exist.

Since the bank bailouts, the GOP has targeted another set of crazies -the Tea Partiers- to be their NEW base. BTW- the Tea Party derives from White Southern Evangelicals more than any other group. So the old base never really went way, it just morphed into a different kind of crazy. True believers all... just observe rappy!

That's one of the reasons I think it's hysterically funny to watch the GOP central committee sweat the debt ceiling: They were going to ride the Crazy Train, and now it's riding them. (snicker) That's why I pray they pull the debt ceiling trigger... both the Crazy People and the GOP have been so divorced from reality for so long, they to be doused by a bucket of cold water once in a while to wake then up.

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, I don't want things to get WORSE because of all those who will suffer. If it weren't for that, I would wish they'd continue on their Crazy Train because it will get rid of them faster. They're self-deluded enough not to realize what a small minority they are, and that doing what they are will kill their hopes of power. But that would only work if enough people wake up, so who knows.

Excellent analysis Sig; thank you and I agree. Will be an interesting movie, I hope to catch it--if I can sit through it without screaming and throwing things at the TV (I haven't actually GONE to a movie in years, so I'll have to wait for it to come around to Netflix or TV).


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Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:54 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


I understand now.

Ms. Senko's father ended up hating and demeaning anyone who disagreed with his right-wing views; whereas you, and Signym, and Kiki1, and Storymark, etc. end up hating and demeaning anyone who disagrees with your left-wing views.

Quite a difference.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Geezer:
I understand now.

Ms. Senko's father ended up hating and demeaning anyone who disagreed with his right-wing views; whereas you, and Signym, and Kiki1, and Storymark, etc. end up hating and demeaning anyone who disagrees with your left-wing views.

Quite a difference.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



Ding, Ding, Ding!

Brainwashed, if you think Right.

Tolerant , informed , enlightened if you think Left.

But not brainwashed. Nope.

ETA - Rush does not "lie". Unlike the folks at msnbc, Rush gets most of his facts right. He does screw up, from time to time, and when he does, he usually corrects himself. When I hear folks say Rush 'lies' , I know they either don't listen to him first hand, or are pushing an agenda.


The main cause of the contentious nature between Libs and Moderates is that conservatives like Rush challenge their established belief systems. The MSM has had such a strangle hold on how news gets projected and packaged in this country, when ever anyone gives an alternate opinion, the first reaction by many is " That can't be right ! LIAR ! ".

Rush isn't always right. He does pontificate too long on some matters which I can openly agree he's missed the mark. He may not know, he may not care, but those instances are truly few and far between. But what he DOES do is give folks a flip side in how to see the world. In a sense, he's even anti establishment for the GOP, but he's not quite full blown Libertarian. Neal Boortz, for example, would be one closer to that mark. And even HE use to stray, from time to time.

But in general, those who want to blame conservative talk show host for 'brainwashing' folks are flat out wrong. You need to learn how to listen. We ALL do, and understand what's being said.

Seems there's little of that going on these days.

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He believed it when Rush Limbaugh told him that climate change is a hoax. He called Al Gore an “asshole”—-by then he could not be moved. He also would compliment smokers on smoking. When we would go to a restaurant and people sat outside to smoke, he would take a deep breath and exclaim how good it smelled.



AlGore IS an asshole.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:53 AM

WHOZIT


I'm sure that Obamacare can fix his brain damage.

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I understand now.
Ms. Senko's father ended up hating and demeaning anyone who disagreed with his right-wing views; whereas you, and Signym, and Kiki1, and Storymark, etc. end up hating and demeaning anyone who disagrees with your left-wing views.
Quite a difference.

It's not about being "left-wing" or "right-wing", it's about being sane and with an eye on reality.

I think you realize by now (or at least you should) that I have no great love for Obama. I don't consider myself a hippie. I'm neutral on the idea of gun ownership. I don't parrot the MSM, and I particularly dislike the idea of running my ideas according to memes and pradigms which have been handed to me by other. I feel the greatest service one can do for your fellow human beings is to discover the most basic assumptions underlying a particular thought process. So for all kinds of reasons I don't think I'm a "left winger".

OTOH, I DO appreciate people who can show me something I didn't see myself, but can observe and verify -or at least logically think about. Like Einstein and the idea of space-time. Or Kevin Barrett, who pointed out the ties between Saudi Arabia and Al Qaida, and Saudi Arabia and Israel. Quite insightful.

Now, what can Hallelujah! Jesus is here! tell me? Or trickle down economics? I've studied these things. I know their basic assumptions. I bang them against observation. They don't correspond to reality, so they're useless for understranding the world, but they're great tools for manipulating people.

If you've been paying attention (and I'm pretty sure you haven't been) you may have noticed that I don't dismiss rappy because he's "right wing", I dimiss him because nothing he says has been borne out by observation. He's been so wrong on so many things, there's nothing there to glean. Arguing facts with him... sigh. Pearls before swine.

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 1:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you've been paying attention (and I'm pretty sure you haven't been) you may have noticed that I don't dismiss rappy because he's "right wing", I dimiss him because nothing he says has been borne out by observation. He's been so wrong on so many things, there's nothing there to glean. Arguing facts with him... sigh. Pearls before swine. Also, he's an asshole, which doesn't help.



Seeing only that which you WISH were true, while ignoring reality.

Making my case for me, with every post. Bravo.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 1:31 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well said, Sig, but they'll never get it.

Unlike her, I AM a liberal, and an aging hippie--but not a Democrat because both parties are screwed. BOTH parties, and I'm quite aware there's pork and corruption on both sides. The difference is I can recognize idiotic rhetoric when I hear it--like that Obamacare is "worse than slavery" (!), worse than the internment of the Japanese, worse than 9/11 and so on, which is what was APPLAUDED at the recent so-called "Values Voters Summit". Some statements are just so patently insane, any rational human being has to question them.

But like her, I believe in "observe and verify", which is why I DON'T post from the left-wing sites I've mentioned, I look for more neutral (often local is best) sites and check facts from several different sources before I believe them. That's one of the biggest differences between us and what this woman's movie is about. When you only have sources from one side--and especially when those sources are UNfactual and specifically designed to mislead you--people end up swallowing things which aren't true, not getting pertinent facts, and getting riled up by people whose ONLY job it is and who make a lot of money by riling others up, people who don't give a flying fuck about the "good of the country" or the "good of the people".

I, too, have been quite clear about my mixed feelings about Obama, from the very start; but contrasting what he and the Democrats have been trying to do with the complete, unrepentant obstructionism and ludicrous talking points coming from the right make the distinction too clear to ignore, and I resent the hell out of the kind of brainwashing that has been going on in this country the past few years.


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Saturday, October 12, 2013 1:43 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Rush does not "lie"." I'll take that challenge:
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Says it's not "accidental" that the villain in the Batman movie is named Bane. (Pants on Fire: "The villainous Bane first appeared in Batman comic books in 1993, long before Romney entered presidential politics. Even the character’s creator called a suggested link "ridiculous.""

"Obamacare is . . . the largest tax increase in the history of the world." (Pants on Fire: "Not even biggest in U.S. history. Limbaugh's inflated rhetoric takes a wrong claim and puts it into the realm of the ridiculous. ")

People "can't go fishing anymore because of Obama." (Pants on Fire: "In fact, the draft framework says nothing about banning fishing. Limbaugh has taken an early discussion about the use of waterways and twisted it to make it sound like Obama is outlawing a popular pastime. Limbaugh is grossly distorting the truth.")

There are "high administrative costs" when you donate to Haiti relief through the White House Web site. (Pants on Fire: "There's no evidence the White House is using any of these donations for administrative costs, and the charities aren't sharing donors' e-mail addresses with the White House. Limbaugh is making a ridiculously false claim that the Obama administration is capitalizing on a tragedy. That's enough to set the meter ablaze.")

"President Obama . . . wants to mandate circumcision." (Pants on Fire: "no connection between Obama and the new guidance, which would be voluntary, not mandatory, anyway. In fact, the recommendations were under discussion long before Obama took office. This one is ridiculous enough to set the meter ablaze")

"You can't read a speech by George Washington . . . without hearing him reference God, the Almighty." (False: "Washington wasn't nearly the devout Christian that Limbaugh suggested he was and he did not refer to God in all his speeches as the talk show host claimed.")

A recent drop in the unemployment rate is questionable because it was calculated "over two days of the Thanksgiving week." (False: "this statistic uses data about what was happening two weeks before Thanksgiving -- and both measures are seasonally adjusted to eliminate factors such as holidays.") http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/statements/]


How about five more? They're certainly easy and fast enough to find.
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1. "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema [and other diseases]." (Radio show, 4/29/94)

2. LIMBAUGH: On the Republicans' "Contract With America": "The New York Times never ran anything on the contract 'til after the election. The rest of the news media hardly talked about it at all." (TV, 4/6/95)

REALITY: In the 42 days between the announcement of the "Contract with America" and the Nov. 8, 1994 election, the New York Times published 45 articles that mentioned the contract--more than one a day. The Nexis computer database reports that more than 1400 pieces mentioning the contract were published before the election.

3. LIMBAUGH: "Banks take the risks in issuing student loans and they are entitled to the profits." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Banks take no risks in issuing student loans, which are federally insured.

4. LIMBAUGH: Comparing the 1950s with the present: "And I might point out that poverty and economic disparities between the lower and upper classes were greater during the former period." (Told You So, p. 84)

REALITY: Income inequality, as measured by the U.S. Census Bureau, fell from the 1940s to the late 1960s, and then began rising. Inequality surpassed the 1950 level in 1982 and rose steadily to all-time highs in 1992. (Census Bureau's "Money Income of Households, Families and Persons in the United States")

5. LIMBAUGH: "Oh, how they relished blaming Reagan administration policies, including the mythical reductions in HUD's budget for public housing, for creating all of the homeless! Budget cuts? There were no budget cuts! The budget figures show that actual construction of public housing increased during the Reagan years." (Ought to Be, p. 242-243)

REALITY: In 1980, 20,900 low-income public housing units were under construction; in 1988, 9,700, a decline of 54 percent ;Statistical Abstracts of the U.S).In terms of 1993 dollars, the HUD budget for the construction of new public housing was slashed from $6.3 billion in 1980 to $683 million in 1988. "We're getting out of the housing business. Period," a Reagan HUD official declared in 1985. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081031130353AAnURqH


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Saturday, October 12, 2013 1:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Geezer will get it, rappy won't.

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 2:15 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Geezer will get it, rappy won't.

Geezer will get it, but will feel the need to make his usual snide pseudo-objective comment; Rappy won't even read it.

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:17 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The thing I can't get is how you can be so adamant that not only is your position on anything you post 100% correct, but you're also so adamant that you aren't suffering from the tiniest bit of brainwashing yourself.....?
...
I'd like to hear the story about how you came to believe in what you believe in today and how your opinion, among nearly 7 billions of other opinions is the one that is right.


Becuase I am an Anarchist.
Because I LOOK at the people around me, whether I love em or hate em, and it's usually the latter, and see what helps, and what hurts them, and I throw my support behind what helps them, even if they cuss it, despise it, and hate it immensely - although me being me I would PREFER in most cases they have the option to reject it, at which point a little something called Shadenfreude kicks in, but still...

Humanity, HUMANE things, for HUMANS, and fuck the establishment.
And if there's any doubt the GOP is establishment, look no further than their neo-feudo-fascist behavior, and while the other side is dangerous in their own way cause "For Your Own Good" is the worst of all tyrannies, not only do they actually MEAN well, fucked up as that may be (and in opposition to the GOP, who means only malice, ESPECIALLY to their ignorant, dumbass, gullible supporters who will be first under the bus as a liability if they ever do get their bullshit rolling) they're not very good at it, infinately more malleable, and less unified thus less dangerous.

In a barroom brawl, you finish the fucker you got on the floor in front of you by putting the boot in FIRST, to make sure he doesn't plant a shank in your back when you move on to the next, and it is our failure to do that, to utterly DESTROY the poisonous infection of what the GOP has become, which has gotten us cut down from behind every time we've ever tried to improve this world even a little.

Fuck antibiotics, I reccommend rope, and lots of it.


-Frem

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Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:47 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's not about being "left-wing" or "right-wing", it's about being sane and with an eye on reality.



To me it's about addressing different perceptions in a reasonable manner.

When Ms. Senko's father calls Al Gore an "Asshole" because of differing opinions about climate change, is that so different from folks here calling AURaptor, or myself, names because we post things they don't agree with?



And anyway - what's reality?

A while ago you cited an article about the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Socialist governments that the U.S. had, it was claimed, helped to overthrow. I found information on reasonably well-trusted sites that showed many of the leaders listed either didn't get elected democratically, made sure theirs was the last democratic election in their country, or ended up implementing draconian laws without due process. Yet you've trotted out the same article later.

So apparently your reality of this issue is what you choose to believe.




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Says it's not "accidental" that the villain in the Batman movie is named Bane. (Pants on Fire: "The villainous Bane first appeared in Batman comic books in 1993, long before Romney entered presidential politics. Even the character’s creator called a suggested link "ridiculous.""



It's an OPINION. Right, wrong, he's not LYING. You really don't comprehend this concept, do you ? It can ONLY be a lie if he knows it to be false, and continues to portray it otherwise.

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"Obamacare is . . . the largest tax increase in the history of the world." (Pants on Fire: "Not even biggest in U.S. history. Limbaugh's inflated rhetoric takes a wrong claim and puts it into the realm of the ridiculous. ")



Yeah, it is. When you add on all the increases to all the premiums, medical devices, and extra costs across the board. But even if not, it's his OPINION.

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People "can't go fishing anymore because of Obama." (Pants on Fire: "In fact, the draft framework says nothing about banning fishing. Limbaugh has taken an early discussion about the use of waterways and twisted it to make it sound like Obama is outlawing a popular pastime. Limbaugh is grossly distorting the truth.")


Based in fact.

Shutdown closes bay waters, too
Fishing guides, tourneys hit hard; 1 captain plans to hit patch reefs instead
BY ROBERT SILK Free Press Staff
rsilk@keysnews.com
Nearly all of 850 square-mile Florida Bay will be closed as long as the federal government is shut down.

Fishing guides were notified via email Monday that they had to be out of Everglades National Park waters, which include 90 percent of the bay, by 6 p.m. that evening.

"We regret the burden that this will place on your livelihood.

http://keysnews.com/node/50371

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There are "high administrative costs" when you donate to Haiti relief through the White House Web site. (Pants on Fire: "There's no evidence the White House is using any of these donations for administrative costs, and the charities aren't sharing donors' e-mail addresses with the White House. Limbaugh is making a ridiculously false claim that the Obama administration is capitalizing on a tragedy. That's enough to set the meter ablaze.")



Again, even IF wrong, there's no proof he's LYING>

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"President Obama . . . wants to mandate circumcision." (Pants on Fire: "no connection between Obama and the new guidance, which would be voluntary, not mandatory, anyway. In fact, the recommendations were under discussion long before Obama took office. This one is ridiculous enough to set the meter ablaze")



Out of context, I'm guessing. No full quote provided. I certainly never heard him talk about this, so the writer of this piece ( of go-se ) must be really digging to find ANYTHING )

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"You can't read a speech by George Washington . . . without hearing him reference God, the Almighty." (False: "Washington wasn't nearly the devout Christian that Limbaugh suggested he was and he did not refer to God in all his speeches as the talk show host claimed.")




WOW. THAT'S what you consider a lie ? He was clearly speaking figuratively, not literally. And yes, Washington DID refer to God Almighty a great deal.

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A recent drop in the unemployment rate is questionable because it was calculated "over two days of the Thanksgiving week." (False: "this statistic uses data about what was happening two weeks before Thanksgiving -- and both measures are seasonally adjusted to eliminate factors such as holidays.") http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/statements/]



The twisting of the unemployment numbers goes on, and that's not even in question. Both sides can argue to the end of time over this stuff, but again, it's not LYING on Rush's part. He's just taking a position on a view which some hold, others don't.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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