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Tea Party trashes Cruz for Mandela praise

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Monday, December 9, 2013 9:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Now how will Rap and his buddies rationalize this one, I wonder? Cruz has been their idol who can do now wrong, but now...
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Tea Party star Ted Cruz's Facebook praise of Nelson Mandela got quite the backlash from his faithful supporters, who didn’t hide their disdain of Mandela.

The posting in question reads as such:

“Nelson Mandela will live in history as an inspiration for defenders of liberty around the globe. He stood firm for decades on the principle that until all South Africans enjoyed equal liberties he would not leave prison himself, declaring in his autobiography, ‘Freedom is indivisible; the chains on any one of my people were the chains on all of them, the chains on all of my people were the chains on me.’ Because of his epic fight against injustice, an entire nation is now free. We mourn his loss and offer our condolences to his family and the people of South Africa.”

Needless to say, Cruz’s comments were not what his fellow Tea Partiers wanted to see, let alone digest. To some, the Republican firebrand crossed the line in his praise of Mandela. The result: a slew of Facebook replies that didn’t hide how they really felt about Cruz and the man he honored.

“Go home ted your drunk. He was a communist terrorist who targeted people for no other reason than being white [sic],” Shane Spade expressed.

Cruz’ Tea Party cred was further questioned by Matt Helm, who yearned for the good ole days as he stated that South Africa was better off before Mandela was president.

“Yeah…not with you on this one, Ted. Might want to reign in the warm and fuzzy interns posting on your page on your behalf, Mandela was not a hero and South Africa is NOT better off because of his work,” Helm said.

Even more offensive were those who voiced their happiness in Mandela’s death.

Despite comments about the racist and hate-filled messages, it wasn’t enough to silence the majority of commenters, who believe that Cruz is “selling out to the politically correct establishment and that Nelson Mandela is not a revolutionary that literally changed the course of history, instead he’s a terrorist murderer who hates white people.”

The Texas politician’s praise of Mandela may ultimately come back to bite him via disappointed voters who regret choosing him to lead them.

“Well I’m sorry I voted for you Cruz. Really disappointed in [c]onservatives tonight for they’re [sic] ignorance about him,” said Taylor Hartmann. http://www.eurweb.com/2013/12/mandela-praise-costs-ted-cruz-tea-party-
support-on-facebook/


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Monday, December 9, 2013 10:04 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Newt Gingrich to Conservatives: 'What Would You Have Done?'
A message about Nelson Mandela that conservatives sorely need to hear
Ta-Nehisi Coates - www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/newt-gingrich-to-conserva
tives-what-would-you-have-done/282138
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I think this is a fairly noteworthy statement from Newt Gingrich on Mandela's passing that should get some airing. www.gingrichproductions.com/2013/12/what-would-you-have-done-nelson-ma
ndela-and-american-conservatives
/ Gingrich is addressing the rather disgraceful response to Mandela's passing that we've seen in some quarters:
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Some of the people who are most opposed to oppression from Washington attack Mandela when he was opposed to oppression in his own country.
After years of preaching non-violence, using the political system, making his case as a defendant in court, Mandela resorted to violence against a government that was ruthless and violent in its suppression of free speech.

As Americans we celebrate the farmers at Lexington and Concord who used force to oppose British tyranny. We praise George Washington for spending eight years in the field fighting the British Army’s dictatorial assault on our freedom.

Patrick Henry said, “Give me liberty or give me death.”

Thomas Jefferson wrote and the Continental Congress adopted that “all men are created equal, and they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Doesn’t this apply to Nelson Mandela and his people?

Some conservatives say, ah, but he was a communist.

Actually Mandela was raised in a Methodist school, was a devout Christian, turned to communism in desperation only after South Africa was taken over by an extraordinarily racist government determined to eliminate all rights for blacks.

I would ask of his critics: where were some of these conservatives as allies against tyranny? Where were the masses of conservatives opposing Apartheid? In a desperate struggle against an overpowering government, you accept the allies you have just as Washington was grateful for a French monarchy helping him defeat the British.

I think it's important to note that Gingrich's position here is not particularly new. This is not an attempt to rewrite history, or claim someone in death whom Gingrich opposed in life. Newt Gingrich was among a cadre of conservatives who opposed the mainstream conservative stance on Apartheid and ultimately helped override Reagan's unconscionable veto of sanctions. At the time, Gingrich was allied with a group of young conservatives including Vin Weber looking to challenge Republican orthodoxy on South Africa. "South Africa has been able to depend on conservatives to treat them with benign neglect," said Weber. "We served notice that, with the emerging generation of conservative leadership, that is not going to be the case."



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 9, 2013 10:09 AM

AURAPTOR

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To some, the Republican firebrand crossed the line in his praise of Mandela.


Wow. " Some " ?? Does that mean that " SOME " folks have their own thoughts, own minds and may not always fall in line, lock step with what the party leadership promotes ?

How dare some folks think for themselves.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, December 9, 2013 10:28 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


I think I know where Jayne Cobb, or Adam Baldwin, stands on this, but he is more cagey than most Republicans :
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Well, @Doobydoobydo: Lady Thatcher got 0 days. Mandela gets 10. So, blacks are 10x higher on Lib victim scale, or something? ~ #WarOnWomen https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/409897557645471745

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Monday, December 9, 2013 11:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Second, thank you for all that, there was stuff in there that I didn't know, and I found Gingrich's statement very apropos and well said. And I agree, it's worth noting. You missed this, tho', which I think is also extremely relevant, especially given the arguments we have here:
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Something else: There's a video attached to the post in which Gingrich gives his thoughts on Mandela's passing. When Gingrich compliments Mandela on his presidency he doesn't do so within the context of alleged African pathologies, but within the context of countries throughout the world. It's a textbook lessons in "How not to be racist," which is to say it is a textbook lesson in how to talk about Nelson Mandela as though he were a human being.


And I like his previous statement, too:
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President Nelson Mandela was one of the greatest leaders of our lifetime.

He emerged from 27 long years in prison with a wisdom, a compassion, and a commitment to help other people that was astonishing. His life was a triumph of the human spirit.

When he visited the Congress I was deeply impressed with the charisma and the calmness with which he could dominate a room. It was as if the rest of us grew smaller and he grew stronger and more dominant the longer the meeting continued.

His thoughtful disciplined but friendly and warm personality made him a leader who could define the right policies and the right behaviors.

Nelson Mandela was truly the father of an integrated, democratic South Africa.

He will be an inspiration for generations to come and an historic leader worth studying for as long as people want to learn about greatness in serving others.

Callista and I extend our condolences and our prayers to the Mandela family and to the people of South Africa.



As well as the rest of what you quoted from him:
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Finally, if you had been imprisoned for 27 years, 18 of them in a cell eight foot by seven foot, how do you think you would have emerged? Would you have been angry? Would you have been bitter?

Nelson Mandela emerged from 27 years in prison as an astonishingly wise, patient, and compassionate person.

He called for reconciliation among the races. He invited his prison guard to sit in the front row at his inauguration as President. In effect he said to the entire country, “If I can forgive the man who imprisoned me, surely you can forgive your neighbors.”

Far from behaving like a communist, President Mandela reassured businesses that they could invest in South Africa and grow in South Africa. He had learned that jobs come from job creators.

I was very privileged to be able to meet with President Mandela and present the Congressional Medal of Freedom. As much as any person in our lifetime he had earned our respect and our recognition.

Before you criticize him, ask yourself, what would you have done in his circumstances?



Rap, however, amazes me...or he would if I weren't already familiar with his convoluted "reasoning": "Some" should mean independent thinking when "some" Tea Partiers trash Cruz, but when "some" people make statements about Obama, it means The Entire Left worships him, and when "some" denounce Sinead O'Connor for tearing up the Pope's photo, they don't count at ALL, 'cuz The Whole Left adored her for it. Very confusing.

He seems to have numerous definitions of "some"...and they all tilt right!


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Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:25 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Why should anyone should be attacked for saying a few kind words about Mandela? Does praise harm anyone or anything?

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Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:37 AM

BYTEMITE


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Why should anyone should be attacked for saying a few kind words about Mandela? Does praise harm anyone or anything?


...Sometimes...

But not in this case.

I'm still bothered by the hero worship, but I suppose people setting aside their differences is more important than the how or why.

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Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:12 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Why should anyone should be attacked for saying a few kind words about Mandela? Does praise harm anyone or anything?



I'll praise him, for what he ended up doing. I'll also remind folks that he wasn't the patron saint he's being made out to be. Who among us are ? But he's no dirt bag like Che Guevara or Fidel Castro. I'll give him that much.

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Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:33 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What's interesting is that the news and the internet both are chock full of the truths about Mandela, the good and the bad, and few, if ANY, are making him out to be some innocent "patron saint". Certainly not a single person in any of the discussions here. But Rap can't help but spew his bullshit and claim "You're just not wanting to accept any counter to the narrative that Mandela was the next Gandhi or MLK Jr." anyway, and write things like
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You're referring to the phony 99% Occubabies, right ? Of course you are. Vandalize private property, rape, do drugs, plot to blow up bridges, threaten to kill / eat the " rich ", etc... No wonder they adore Mandela.


and then claim he'll "praise" Mandela. Just plain sick.


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Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:00 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:



Wow. " Some " ?? Does that mean that " SOME " folks have their own thoughts, own minds and may not always fall in line, lock step with what the party leadership promotes ?



If only you had the intelligence or integrity to keep this in mind as you attack others.

But we know you possess neither.




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