Meanwhile, Russia is going to "pay"! by SIGNYM

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Meanwhile, Russia is going to "pay"!

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 2:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Another plausible future event

STEP FIVE: MORE RUSSIAN-SPEAKING PROVINCES ARRANGE FOR REFERENDA

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 2:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 3:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

definition of a troll: "and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add."

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

"Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads".

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 4:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy:

A few random responses before I get to the topic:

"Obama is every bit as hegemonistic as GWB was. He just wants to get "more done for less"."

In his first term I might have explained it away as wanting to be around for a second term where he might get things done. But his second term is fast heading into the rearview - and he hasn't changed. SO - this is him. The real Obama. His real agenda.

"99% of us seem to have 99% amnesia. We're not even done creating one clusterfuck when we run off to create another, not even remembering how we got ourselves into the last one... "

That whole Afghanistan DEAD OR ALIVE! don't think about him that much ... but IRAQ! now THAT'S a problem ... We were pulling troops out of Afghanistan to put into Iraq. You would have thought lots of people might have noticed. It wasn't as if there was a long, long time between wars so people had a chance to forget. It all happened within a span of 12 months. It blew my mind that that happened at all, let alone so easily.

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 5:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Obama was forced to back down on the Syrian red line. I don't think that'll happen again. Putin won't back down either - as you pointed out this is on his border. The question is - who escalates, and how far?

Well, it depends on who the powers are and what they want.

When it comes to Putin, I believe he's acting in the interests of his country. That kind of interference on his borders isn't something he can ignore. (I know you've brought this up, this is my take as well.) And I'd say that Putin has a strong hand. Russia has low external debt - about 736b USD. It exports almost twice as much as it imports. http://atlas.media.mit.edu/profile/country/rus/ There aren't too many trade sanctions the US could impose that wouldn't hurt the US - and especially Europe (think Russian natural gas) - far worse.

When it comes to the US, you need to look at the deep state (as you pointed out elsewhere, but this is an idea I've been noodling on for a while). Who exactly runs the State Department when it comes to the topic of the Ukraine? If the neo-cons are in power, then I expect they're as crazy as always, and will escalate as far as they need to achieve their ends - whatever those are.

That topic would take some serious digging! - which I don't have time for at the moment. But one thing that developing events will show - is what is the real aim. Facts will out eventually.

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Monday, March 10, 2014 1:40 AM

ELVISCHRIST

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Monday, March 10, 2014 2:56 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Fellow patriot, let us reason together.

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Friday, March 14, 2014 12:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Plausible future news... with additions

KIEV AND THE WEST CALL CRIMEAN VOTE A "SHAM"
The government in Kiev called the Crimean referendum a "sham". Citing territorial integrity, the government in Kiev - which has yet to stand for election- said it would refuse to recognize the vote, and that Crimea should be returned to the Ukraine.

KIEV SEEKS CONTROL OF EASTERN UKRAINE
Through a series of coordinated actions by the far-right Kiev government security appointees, the Secretary of National Security and Defence Parubiy (Svoboda), The Secretary of National Security Yarsoh (Right Sector), Deputy Rrime Minister Sych (Svoboda), Acting Chief Prosecutor Makhnitskyy (Svoboda), Security Services Chief Nalyvaichencko, and Minister of Defence Tenhyuk (Svoboda) have embarked on a prgram of troop repositioning and preventive indictments against potential pro-Russian movements.
http://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-
far-right

MORE RUSSIAN-SPEAKING PROVINCES ARRANGE FOR REFERENDA
Russian-speaking Ukrainian troops battle Ukrainian-speaking troops from Kiev and take control of government buildings in Donetsk and other eastern Urkainian cities. Newly appointed "people's governors" arrange for referenda on thefuture of their city, or province.

KIEV CLAIMS RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN DONETSK AND OTHER EASTERN CITIES, SENDS IN MORE TROOPS
Kiev has claimed that Russian troops, disguised as pro-Russian militants, have taken over government buildings and have shot several Ukrainian citizens. Kiev sends in additional troops from western Ukraine to quell these disturbances and oust the invaders.

ON REQUEST FROM PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENTS OF EAST UKRAINE, RUSSIA SENDS IN TROOPS
These troops cross the border to "protect Russian citizens".

THE WEST PLACES ADDITIONAL SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA
In addition to visa restrictions and asset freezes, the West places a general banking freeze on Russian transactions.

RUSSIA PLACES COUNTER-SANCTIONS ON THE WEST
The sale of natural gas is restricted. Russian businesses owing money to western banks and enterprises default. Russia begins a massive US Treasury sale.

KIEV DELAYS NATIONAL ELECTIONS
Citing national security, the transitional government of Kiev has canceled national elections indefinitely. When asked whether this would effect aid and loan guarantees from the West, and IMF loans, western sources and IMF head Christine Lagarde said they did not foresee any difficulty with the Ukrainian government being able to maintain its financial authority over the nation. There are many upcoming agreements to be signed with the EU.

KIEV ANNOUNCES AUSTERITY
Because of the cutoff of natural gas deliveries and the subsequent price hike, the transitional Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatseniuk, has announced that natural gas subsidies would be cut back significantly. The IMF has insisted, as it has done with most of its governmental loans, that subsidies be cut in order to shore up governmental finances. Yatseniuk, himself a banker and favored by the United States to head the transitional government, has full authority to obtain loans and sign international agreements, according to the EU and the USA.

MAIDAN SQUARE ERUPTS AGAIN

THE SVOBODA-PARTY IN CHARGE OF INTERNAL SECURITY BEGINS THE ROUNDUP OF DISAFFECTED UKRAINIANS

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Friday, March 21, 2014 12:23 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

New development:

Kiev appeals to its restive east with talk of greater autonomy

Quote:
Interest in giving Ukraine's divided regions more control over their financial and political destiny is gaining traction in both Kiev and the Russian-speaking east, possibly deterring separatist movements and offering common ground between Moscow and Ukraine.

Regional leaders in the volatile east were loyal to former President Viktor Yanukovych – and dismissive of Kiev’s new central government. But in recent days they have said that greater fiscal and legal autonomy could appease those who want closer ties to Russia but are not necessarily keen to break off from Ukraine entirely.

“I’m not talking about separation. I mean decentralization of powers that would result in giving us control over budgets and resources, general prosecutors, and security services,” says Sergei Bogachov, the secretary of the Donetsk City Council and a member of Mr. Yanukovych’s Party of Regions political bloc. “Kiev needs to understand and support regional demands. This is a big country, and it can’t be ruled from the center as it is now.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2014/0321/Kiev-appeals-to-its-re
stive-east-with-talk-of-greater-autonomy

However, gas prices in a more "independent" east would still rise if IMF mandates Kiev to remove subsidies, which it is likely to do. So although some of the concerns of the eastern cities might be assuaged, they will still be bound by economic agreements and loans with the west, and by whatever currency fluctuations might occur with the hryvnia.

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Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Now THIS is an oddball story!

Protesters storm Ukraine military base in west Crimea: AFP

Quote:
Novofedorivka (Undefined) (AFP) - About 200 pro-Russian protesters on Saturday stormed a Ukrainian air force base in western Crimea, forcing the soldiers to leave as the Ukrainian flag was taken down.

The unarmed crowd yelling "Russia! Russia!" broke through to the base in the town of Novofedorivka and started smashing windows.

Ukrainian servicemen barricaded themselves inside buildings and threw smoke bombs at the intruders from the roof. Some of the people threw the smoke bombs back at the soldiers.

More at http://news.yahoo.com/protesters-storm-ukraine-military-west-crimea-00
2337513.html

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Just a tidbit about who will hurt more in a 'sanctions' war:

"On the one hand, Russia's vast hydrocarbon reserves ensured its position as an energy powerhouse, transforming the erstwhile post-Communist basket case into the proud 'Gazprom Nation', providing about 20 percent of the EU's gas needs, which, significantly, are delivered through three pipelines crossing the Ukraine."

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Friday, March 28, 2014 12:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The Right Sector, which was part of the armed, trained phalanx of Maidan, is having problems with the bankers' government of Kiev. And the Kiev government is having problems with them:

Right Sector enforcer Aleksandr Muzychko - as seen in videos waving his gun around and bullying various elected officials

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-radical-attacks-prosecutor-080/
http://rt.com/news/radical-opposition-intimidating-techniques-882/

- was shot and killed in a police raid intended to arrest him.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-was-oleksandr-muzychko-ukrainian-police-kil
l-far-right-leader-wanted-russians-1563515

Now the rightwing, who see themselves as the true heroes of Maidan and leaders of the gloriously-revived fascist Europe, are protesting (and threatening) the Ukrainian Parliament.
http://rt.com/news/kiev-parliament-protest-resurge-873/

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Several thoughts on the topic:

All areas of Ukraine are forming "civil defense" squads. Some of them are made up by the Right Sector who have no problem moving into a new area and imposing their brand of politics. Others are fairly homegrown. The government of Kiev itself is creating a "national guard". I wouldn't be surprised if contested areas have conflicting "civil defense" groups.

Here's the thing: What happened to the army of the Ukraine? I can understand the Ukrainian army being deactivated in Crimea, but why does the government in Kiev feel the need to create and entirely new entity- a national guard- unless they feel that they can't depend on the army?

This seems to me that civil war is a possibility, especially since the government just raised the price of nat gas by 50%, and was set to reduce pensions by 50%.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BY now I hope you all realize that it's not Russia who is going to pay most for breaking apart the Ukraine, it's going to be the Ukrainians and the west:

Moody's downgrades Ukraine credit rating, again.

Quote:
Moody's announced on its website on Friday that it would downgrade Ukraine's sovereign rating by one notch, pushing up the cost of borrowing money for the country's government.

The New-York based assessor lowered Ukraine from Caa2 to Caa3, following a previous downgrade in January. The Caa rating is a credit risk grading based on speculative investment risks. The current downgrade takes Ukraine from Moody's "extremely speculative" rating to "default imminent with little prospect for recovery."

http://www.dw.de/moodys-downgrades-ukraine-credit-rating-again/a-17545
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Sunday, April 13, 2014 11:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

One Killed, Many Wounded After Shooting Breaks Out Between Ukraine Special Forces And Pro-Russia Separatists
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-13/one-killed-many-wounded-after
-shooting-breaks-out-between-ukraine-special-forces-and

The solution, of course, is Federalization: give each region a tax base and autonomy in terms of language and civil security. But Kiev is still trying to incite western involvement. If Putin is smart, he won't take the bait- he'll just make the Ukraine a festering economic and civil sore on the EU's backside.

Kiev will probably continue its countermeasures- still trying to provoke a Russian response and western military involvement. I have no idea how far they will go in eastern/southern Ukraine. Mass arrests? Martial law? Military measures against demonstrators? The west has NATO exercises planned for the Ukraine for next month (?). Hopefully the Russian will see this as turnabout/ fair play.

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 4:09 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

State Dept. to allow Russian financial safe havens to revive the Iran Nuclear Deal

https://rumble.com/vxlizw-state-dept.-to-allow-russian-financial-safe-
havens-to-revive-the-iran-nucle.html

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 4:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One Killed, Many Wounded After Shooting Breaks Out Between Ukraine Special Forces And Pro-Russia Separatists
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-13/one-killed-many-wounded-after
-shooting-breaks-out-between-ukraine-special-forces-and

The solution, of course, is Federalization: give each region a tax base and autonomy in terms of language and civil security. But Kiev is still trying to incite western involvement. If Putin is smart, he won't take the bait- he'll just make the Ukraine a festering economic and civil sore on the EU's backside.

Kiev will probably continue its countermeasures- still trying to provoke a Russian response and western military involvement. I have no idea how far they will go in eastern/southern Ukraine. Mass arrests? Martial law? Military measures against demonstrators? The west has NATO exercises planned for the Ukraine for next month (?). Hopefully the Russian will see this as turnabout/ fair play.

Still true today.

Zelenskiy has banned all opposition parties.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 5:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Zelensky is Trudeau Jr.

At least Trudeau owns a suit.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Saturday, October 8, 2022 12:43 PM

THG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You can't trust Putin?

OF COURSE you can trust Putin! You can trust him to look after Russia's interests. Far better than our last trio of Presidents looked after America's, anyway!

Big grin back at ya comrade.

Moscow says parts of a vital road and rail bridge linking Russia to Crimea have been partially destroyed in a truck explosion in a blow to the Kremlin’s war efforts in Ukraine.
The Kerch bridge is a key supply line for the Russian troops fighting in eastern Ukraine.

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