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Four years into Obamacare, GOP still has no alternative

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:48 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Four years after Obamacare was enacted, and more than 50 House votes to undo it, Republicans remain dedicated to destroying the law. But they're still lost on what they'd put in its place if given the chance.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) is leading the effort to craft a GOP alternative, and promised his members a vote in 2014. He faces a sea of obstacles to writing a health care bill with sufficient support in the House, and potentially a world of hurt if he follows through with his commitment.

"House Republicans will rally around and pass an alternative to Obamacare this year," Cantor told Republicans at their annual conference retreat in January. ( http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/cantor-house-to-vote-on-gop-obamacare-al
ternative
/)

The aim is to stitch together a series of ideas with broad GOP support, such as letting people buy insurance across state lines, reforming medical malpractice laws and expanding high-risk pools and incentive-based health savings accounts, according to sources familiar with the effort.

Cantor is said to be holding regular meetings with House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) and House GOP Conference Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), and roping in the House doctors caucus and the ultraconservative Republican Study Committee. One of the reasons he believes it's possible is that hard-core conservatives, the sort that most often scuttle leadership's plans, actually want an alternative.

But it's still a long shot with high risks and few rewards.

For one, the project is greatly complicated by election year considerations. Many Republicans would rather hammer Obamacare than do the hard work of crafting and defending a bill of their own. And even if House Republicans coalesce around a bill -- a big if -- it'll invariably carry its own set of tradeoffs and disruptions. That'll be tougher to defend while Republicans are raising hell about cancellations and other disruptions caused by Obamacare.

Simply repealing Obamacare would, at this juncture, take away coverage from upwards of 10 million Americans who are benefiting from the subsidized insurance exchanges, Medicaid expansion or the provision that permits children to stay on their parents' policies.

And their own ideas would have sweeping impacts, too. Health policy experts say allowing insurers to sell plans across state lines, for example, would upend the system by motivating insurers to cancel policies and relocate to states with the fewest consumer protections. Any such bill would be scored by the Congressional Budget Office, and that would force Republicans to answer for the downsides.

Replacing Obamacare isn't a priority for Republicans, and will continue to take a back seat to their efforts to dismantle and chip away at the law. GOP statements in advance of the Sunday anniversary were heavy on attacks and scant on what to do instead. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-four-years-republican-altern
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Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Lie.


Unlike ObamaCare, the Republican Plan Will Work

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Ezra Klein has a lengthy piece taking apart my post from last July concerning the media’s oft-repeated “Republicans Have No Obamacare Replacement” myth.

I’m glad he’s engaged on this point, because I think it’s a sign of seriousness and a positive development to have debates about what comes after Obamacare – because make no mistake, something will come after it – and the discussion has been a long time coming.

The essential premise of Ezra’s piece is that Republicans have no plan for replacing Obamacare because none of the Republican plans does the same things Obamacare does, at least on paper. In other words, to qualify as an Obamacare replacement, your plan has to accomplish pretty much the same thing, with pretty much the same methods. This strikes me as a bit of a game, especially given the conflation of ends and means: if I replace my Ford with a Honda, do I still have a car? Or my desktop with my laptop – do I have a computer? Or sugar with Splenda… you get the idea. But then Ezra goes on to spend 2400+ words criticizing Republican plans. This itself is a welcome acknowledgement that these Republican plans must in fact exist, which was the whole point of my original post. Ezra’s real contention is not "You have no plan", but "Your plan is all wrong." Good! Now, four years later, we can have a debate.

The eight points that I noted as principles shared by the overwhelming majority of Republicans approach health care from a different perspective than Ezra and the Democrats. The accusation on Ezra’s part is that Republicans think we have too much insurance. He’s basically right – but there is a difference between saying “we have too much insurance” and saying “we have too many people insured”. It’s important to be careful here, because we’re judging how a Republican plan would work against how Obamacare’s supporters claim it would work, or ought to work. Democrats see getting insured as an end; but for Republicans, more healthy people is the end.

What most of the conservative health policy experts on the Right want is greater access to quality, affordable care. They understand health insurance does not guarantee quality health care any more than car insurance guarantees you a mechanic who fixes what's actually wrong with your car without overcharging you. They want people getting insured because insurance is more affordable, competing in a marketplace to provide people with what they want – and thus Republicans are focused on cost, while Democrats are focused on coverage.

Ezra argued recently that it’s okay that we’re seeing premium hikes, because people are paying for better insurance. But that's a bait and switch. Obama didn't promise that Obamacare would have people paying more for a better product – he promised premiums would go down $2500 and that most people would keep the same insurance and the same doctor they had before. Affordability was how he led with it – it’s right there in the title: the Affordable Care Act! Yeah, about that. And it’s an open question, I think, about whether these plans are really any better. For those getting regular email updates from their insurer about the subtle tightening of the reins on access to certain procedures, it looks more like insurance is getting more expensive while covering things Washington deems more important than what they covered before – which may or may not be what you need at an individual level.

Republicans are in this cost-focused position in part for populist reasons: cost is what most Americans care about. According to a March 2009 report released by Health and Human Services, a majority of Americans identified cost as their top concern with American health care – not coverage. See U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, “America Speaks on Health Reform: Report on Health Care Community Discussions,” page 101. It used to be online here, but HHS has taken it down for some odd reason.

Unfortunately, today we have an insurance system that doesn't work like an insurance system. Megan McArdle just had a great post on this the other day, following up on Kathleen Sebelius’s criticism of catastrophic coverage as “not real insurance”:

“It's why high deductibles are a good idea—for small expenses, it's better to self insure. And it's why "catastrophic" health plans, which only cover the sort of extremely expensive events that most people would have difficulty financing, are a much better deal than the soup-to-nuts plans that most people get through their employers. Those plans are expensive, both because they're paying for a higher percentage of your expenses, and because they drive up utilization--which means that they drive up next year's premiums even more. Imagine what your car insurance would cost if it covered gasoline, routine maintenance, and those little air freshener trees you hang from the rearview mirror. Then stop asking why health insurance costs so much… Sebelius' response is apparently that catastrophic insurance isn't really insurance at all—which is exactly backwards. Catastrophic coverage is "true insurance". Coverage of routine, predictable services is not insurance at all; it's a spectacularly inefficient prepayment plan.”

I typically use the example of your homeowner’s insurance policy being used every time a lightbulb busts. Imagine if you had to go to a housing clinic that was in your plan, wait for an advisor to tell you the proper lightbulb which you already know you need, go to another hardware store to pick up the lightbulb, pay a copay for the lightbulb, etc. Who would do that? And yet we do it all the time in the health care space. Most spending is on the broken lightbulb equivalent of chronic diseases, and that's exactly where things like Ken Thorpe's work come in.

The point is that insurance is one way to pay for health care services, but it is not the only way, and very often not the best way. It adds massive administrative costs to every transaction. These are costs not solely born by the insurance company (or the employer), but includes costs on providers imposed by insurance companies. It is far more efficient to pay directly for a service received whenever it is possible to do so (and as consumer driven coverage evolves and expands, the optimal cut-off line will become more apparent). The presence of third-party payment always leads to overutilization, mistrust, and lack of accountability. Who is your doctor working for, you or the payer? Who cares what something costs if someone else is paying for it?

[WARNING, WONK LANGUAGE:] What’s more, if you favor global budgets and capitated payments to providers (as most on the left do), it really amounts to a defined contribution by another name. [/WONK] What’s the difference between that, conceptually, and premium assistance? The level of who receives the payment – be it government entities, providers, or the individual. Don’t we trust Americans to act more in their self-interest than people farther away from it?

Republicans calculate that most people would rather have less insurance plus more freedom, with prices driven down by market forces, over more insurance and government-run health care with its attendant access problems, rationing, care denials, higher taxes, regulatory burden, etc. Having access to affordable health care is not the same as having comprehensive health insurance, and in fact the latter has undermined the former. Price transparency is key here (why do most Democrats want to bully health plans on their rate increases but don't seem to think hospitals should have to publish prices for services?). CMS’ national health expenditure data over the last 30 years illustrates this: premiums go up as out of pocket costs plummet. Quality is important too, and we ultimately need both. But we have to start with something and everyone understands price.

In part, Ezra acknowledges this. He never really challenges the view that having patients share more of the cost of health care leads to lower costs (and higher coverage). He implicitly endorses it when he opines that a $10,000 deductible is sufficient. Great! Now we can just negotiate over the amount of the appropriate deductible.

While Ezra’s right that there will be lower-cost options in the exchanges that have high deductibles at first, these lower-cost options are almost assuredly going to be eliminated over time. Since my original post was from July, if I was writing it today I’d add a modifier that Republicans will likely push hard to exempt HSAs/HDHPs from Obamacare – preserve them, expand them, and make them available to everyone, including seniors. Obamacare’s regulations are already wrecking the individual market, and I expect future regs to limit these plans even further given the left’s natural dislike for them (despite their increasing popularity, or perhaps because of it).

Now, for the safety net: Republicans acknowledge the poor will always need to be subsidized. We can subsidize them inefficiently by buying first dollar coverage, or we can subsidize them more efficiently through funded HSAs or direct delivery of services. For the truly miserable – those functionally illiterate, drug addicted, mentally ill, etc. – the obsession with universal health insurance does absolutely nothing. They need direct delivery.

Medicaid is simply not a good program, as it currently functions. Its outcomes range from the subpar to the atrocious; it is rife with access problems and there’s a reason why so many of the uninsured who are currently eligible for it simply don’t enroll. Yes, Medicaid block grants as currently proposed will reduce the number of people covered by the program… but Republicans think that’s a good thing, because it would be a step toward returning Medicaid to the role it was intended to have from the beginning: a program for the poorest of the poor and the sickest of the sick. Fewer people means fewer access problems. But again, we can negotiate here: just increase the amount of the block grant. Structure is more important than the dollar figure here.

I disagree that Republicans think Medicare is the driver of all that's bad in our health system. They just believe that bureaucrats in Baltimore aren’t smart enough to run 1/6th of the economy – I mean, we are talking about a program that will pay for penis pumps but not eye glasses. Because commercial health plans benchmark payments for good and services to some percentage of Medicare, all the price distortions get imported into the system, even if tweaked a bit. This leads to overpaying for some things, and underpaying for others. Because the nature of this fee for service + third party payer system has the incentives all wrong, we end up with incredible fragmentation, waste, and even worse problems.

Somewhat counterintuitively, Democrats also give every indication of believing that Medicare is a problem. They always say that “Medicare can be the model” of the direction toward a utopia of lower costs and coordinated care. But wait: If they say Medicare will be the driver of future improvement, aren’t they implying that it hasn't been in the past – that Medicare has helped lead our system to its current dysfunctional state. When then-CMS head Donald Berwick was on C-SPAN's Newsmakers a few years back, he was asked if Medicare was going to become so good at reducing costs, why hasn’t it done so over the past half century? Here was his answer.

For my part, the tax subsidies for employer-based care are a bigger part of the problem. Republicans are divided about how to deal with this issue: some want 100% deductibility of medical expenses, others are in favor of a refundable tax credit (either flat or based on need). Either way, this is one of the most regressive tax policies on the books, and reforming it has got to be one of the primary goals of post-Obamacare policy. No, there isn’t Republican unanimity on the best approach, but there is unanimity on it needing to be fixed – and of course there wasn’t Democrat unanimity on health reform in the 2008 primaries, either, or even during the 2009 process of passing the bill.

So what do we have, at the end of the day? We have the major points of a replacement for Obamacare which looks to solve different problems, using different mechanisms, and bending responsibility and authority toward the individual, not the state. These proposals have the advantage of working piecemeal towards these goals, rather than being lashed together into a single unified Rube Goldberg machine that only works if you’ve properly balanced all the pieces at once – an impossibility in a system this big, complex and bureaucratic. Yes, these points aren’t aimed at accomplishing the same goals as Obamacare. So that is a difference. There is another one, I suspect: unlike Obamacare, I think a replacement built on these principles will actually work.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/04/unlike_obamacare_
the_republican_plan_will_work_117796.html#ixzz2wo1dNE45





Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:37 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...




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It’s Working Despite Misinformation

Early indications are the Affordable Care Act is working. With less than two weeks remaining before the March 31 deadline for coverage this year, five million people have already signed up. After decades of rising percentages of Americans lacking health insurance, the uninsured rate has dropped to its lowest levels since 2008.

Meanwhile, health care costs have slowed dramatically. The new law may well be contributing to this slowdown by reducing Medicare overpayments to medical providers and private insurers, and creating incentives for hospitals and doctors to improve quality of care.

But a lot about the Affordable Care Act needs fixing – especially the widespread confusion and misinformation that continues to surround it. For example, a majority of business owners with fewer than 50 workers still think they’re required to offer insurance or pay a penalty. (In fact, the law applies only to businesses with 50 or more employees who work more than 30 hours a week). And many companies with fewer than 25 workers still don’t realize that if they offer plans they can qualify for subsidies in the form of tax credits.

Many individuals remain confused and frightened. Forty-one percent of Americans who are still uninsured say they plan to remain that way. They believe it will be cheaper to pay a penalty than buy insurance. Many of these people are unaware of the subsidies available to them. Signups have been particularly disappointing among Hispanics.

Some of this confusion has been deliberately sown by outside groups that, in the wake of the Supreme Court’s “Citizen’s United” decision, have been free to spend large amounts of money to undermine the law. For example, Republican Gov. Rick Scott of Florida told Fox News that the Affordable Care Act was “the biggest job killer ever,” citing a Florida company with 20 employees that expected to go out of business because it couldn’t afford coverage.

None of this is beyond repair, though. As more and more Americans sign up and see the benefits, others will take note and do the same. http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/03/20/obamacares-four-year-c
heckup/the-affordable-care-act-is-working-despite-misinformation



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Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


No Obamacare in Indiana this year. Nobody here knows what's going on.

Probably the best for us though. We are one of the only states continually running a surplus, afterall... B)


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Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:07 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Leave it to Niki to offer up pure Soviet era style propaganda.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Unlike ObamaCare, the Republican PLAN Will WorK" - that PLAN being helpfully described in rappy's link as "something" that "will come after" Obama care. Sounds like a plan to me. Not.



OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:42 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No Obamacare in Indiana this year. Nobody here knows what's going on.

Probably the best for us though. We are one of the only states continually running a surplus, afterall... B)


Thanks to Pence's "creative" bookkeeping.

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:43 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Unlike ObamaCare, the Republican PLAN Will WorK" - that PLAN being helpfully described in rappy's link as "something" that "will come after" Obama care. Sounds like a plan to me. Not.



OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

My hope is that Hillary will kick it into real single payer, rather than the Republican plan Obama resorted to.

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 6:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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My hope is that Hillary will kick it into real single payer, rather than the Republican plan Obama resorted to.





At least some understand that O-Care was DESIGNED to fail, by those who brought it to life, so that we'd need even a BIGGER, more comprehensive ( Bigger Govt ) solution, after the collapse, and so many were left "uncovered ".

Talk about information being packaged to the dumb-masses.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 6:12 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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My hope is that Hillary will kick it into real single payer, rather than the Republican plan Obama resorted to.





At least some understand that O-Care was DESIGNED to fail, by those who brought it to life, so that we'd need even a BIGGER, more comprehensive ( Bigger Govt ) solution, after the collapse, and so many were left "uncovered ".

Talk about information being packaged to the dumb-masses.

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50 attempts to repeal it, and millions spent on disinformation, so still there are people who think it was somehow better before...

Incredible.


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Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:12 PM

JONGSSTRAW


... 4 years of lies by Obama and the Pelosi-whipped Dems.

... 4 years of lies by the Obama-loving media

... 4 years of massive spending to advertise and promote Obamacare

And after all that, the newest Pew Poll (2/28-3/16) shows Obamacare is as unpopular as it ever has been, only down one point from its all-time low from four years ago.

It's ironic that the only demographic majority that approves of Obamacare is 'adults under 30'. They like it, they're just not buying it!

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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My hope is that Hillary will kick it into real single payer, rather than the Republican plan Obama resorted to.
Really??? Why do you think Hillary would do that?

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Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:58 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Re: Obamacare and state surpluses, thanx Fan...I don't read Sux's posts, so wouldn't have noticed his "boast" of no Obamacare in Indiana, but hey, they've got a surplus.

California, as of Jan 22:
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”California has, by far, exceeded any other state in the union for Obamacare signups. Figures released last week from the Department of Health and Human Services showed California accounted for roughly one-fourth of all enrollment in the nation during the last three months of the year.” http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2014/01/22/californias-obamacare-success-
harbinger-nation
/


As of February 19:
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With nearly six weeks to go before open enrollment ends under the new federal health care law, more than 1.7 million Californians have signed up for health coverage since Oct. 1, according to the state's insurance exchange. Through Feb. 14, the number who bought a private insurance plan on the Covered California exchange shot up to 828,638, almost reaching the 830,000 goal it hoped to hit by the March 31 open enrollment deadline. http://www.mercurynews.com/health/ci_25184118/obamacare-californias-he
alth-insurance-enrollment-soars




And our budget? California budget surplus, 2013:
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between $1.2 billion, projected by Gov. Jerry Brown, and $4.4 billion, the estimate of the Legislature’s independent financial analyst. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/us/californias-new-problem-too-much-
money.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0



Gee, whole lotta people signed up for health insurance, AND a surplus.

Just sayin'.

Of course, after

... 4 years of lies by Republicans

... 4 years of lies by Koch-brother and affiliated media

... 4 years of massive spending to demonize and lie about Obamacare

it's no surprise the American people still don't know what it's about and still don't think they'll like it. As the studies and polls have shown time and time again, when people are asked about the health care law, how they respond depends on whether Obama or Obamacare is mentioned, ( http://pollingmatters.gallup.com/2013/11/whats-in-name-affordable-care
-act-vs.html
). Not only that, but one poll showed "Republicans support all the basic elements of Obamacare by wide majorities if it is simply labeled "Reagancare." ( http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/03/poll-republicans-support-obamacare-
if-called-reagancare
/) It will be an uphill battle just as long as Republicans continue to be the Party of No and pour money into disinformation...at least until enough people find out for themselves that it works; THEN maybe the Republicans will get on board with improving it, instead of lying about it incessantly.

I'm not holding my breath.


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Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The plan sucks. It's a huge giveaway to the insurance companies, and it's ridiculously complicated. The only good thing about it is that it's somewhat better than what we have now.


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Monday, March 24, 2014 1:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Does the plan really suck Signy? I actually have ZERO idea. I work with a bunch of people who in most states would be covered, but we don't play ball here, and not a single one of my "peers" know even half of what I do.

I actually applaud my local government for fighting against it especially since financially speaking the "war on smokes" has allowed it to be completely unaffordable to have health insurance with my "pre-existing condition".... the ONLY one that they allow, BTW.....

That being said, I think the basic consensus in Indiana is that Obamacare doesn't apply to us this year. Beyond that, nobody knows. Everyone I work for lives in Illinois and they don't know any more than I do.

Meh... whatever... in the end, it was just another multi-billion(trillion?) ploy to get more votes and will amount to nothing more than the Cherry on top of our shit sandwich we give to Jupiter when we admit that Earth is broke.

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