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Mrs. Jesus ?

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:27 AM

AURAPTOR

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An ancient, business-card-sized papyrus fragment that appears to quote Jesus Christ discussing his wife is real, Harvard University announced Thursday. The fragment caused international uproar when it was revealed by a Harvard historian in September 2012, with prominent academics and the Vatican swiftly deeming it a forgery.

Harvard officials said scientists both within and outside the university extensively tested the papyrus and carbon ink of the badly aged fragment, dubbed the "Gospel of Jesus' Wife." The document, written in Coptic, a language of ancient Egyptian Christians, is made up of eight mostly legible dark lines on the front and six barely legible faded lines on the back. The handwriting and grammar were also examined over the last year and a half to confirm its authenticity. Scientists have concluded the fragment dates back to at least the sixth to ninth centuries, and possibly as far back as the fourth century.

The document was never meant to prove Jesus was married, Harvard Divinity School professor Karen L. King emphasized Thursday. Instead, she argued, it's meant to highlight that some early Christians may have believed Jesus was married. The distinction is significant because debates over sexuality and marriage have dominated contemporary discussions about Christianity; the Catholic Church cites Jesus' celibacy as one reason its priests must not have sex or marry.

"The main topic of the fragment is to affirm that women who are mothers and wives can be disciples of Jesus -- a topic that was hotly debated in early Christianity as celibate virginity increasingly became highly valued," King, whose specialties include Coptic literature, Gnosticism and women in the Bible, said in a statement Thursday. "This gospel fragment provides a reason to reconsider what we thought we knew by asking what the role claims of Jesus' marital status played historically in early Christian controversies over marriage, celibacy, and family."

The legible lines on the front of the artifact seem to form a broken conversation between Jesus and his disciples. The fourth line of the text says, "Jesus said to them, my wife." Line 5 says "... she will be able to be my disciple," while the line before the "wife" quote has Jesus saying "Mary is worthy of it" and line 7 says, “As for me, I dwell with her in order to ..."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/jesus-wife_n_5124712.html



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Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Awwww wouldn' it be loverly...

...and imagine the furor...Look what DaVinci Code create, just as fiction...


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Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:55 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Certainly not the first time in 2000 years that "academics" have tried to attack or discredit Jesus and his teachings. Nothing changes. The faithful will remain faithful, and the non-believers will giggle and feel superior. Ho hum.

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:08 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Certainly not the first time in 2000 years that "academics" have tried to attack or discredit Jesus and his teachings. Nothing changes. The faithful will remain faithful, and the non-believers will giggle and feel superior. Ho hum.



While I fall into the category of ' faithless ', I don't see how this plays out as " academics " trying to attack or discredit JC in the least. Now, to be fair , that a mere fragment of parchment so far has been found which mentions the POSSIBILITY he was married ( to Mary ? ) does seem a touch suspect, on the face of it. But if it is indeed legitimate, which it appears is the case, then shouldn't that be something to be considered ?

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:24 PM

CHRISISALL


Married or not, you KNOW he & Mary were *um* close.

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:28 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Married or not, you KNOW he & Mary were *um* close.



Jesus didn't see her like that!

Typical. Just because she was a whore, doesn't mean she gave it away for EVERYONE. She was a person too, ya know.



Sheesh!

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:35 PM

CHRISISALL


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Jesus didn't see her like that!

Oh I bet more than once she was heard to say "Christ that was great!"

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:42 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Jesus didn't see her like that!

Oh I bet more than once she was heard to say "Christ that was great!"



Sermon. A great SERMON, right ?

Right.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:49 PM

CHRISISALL



God made the platypus.

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 2:39 PM

GEEZER

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Could be worse.
They might have found a fragment saying "Fellas, I'd like you to meet my wife, John."


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 2:51 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

While I fall into the category of ' faithless ', I don't see how this plays out as " academics " trying to attack or discredit JC in the least. Now, to be fair , that a mere fragment of parchment so far has been found which mentions the POSSIBILITY he was married ( to Mary ? ) does seem a touch suspect, on the face of it. But if it is indeed legitimate, which it appears is the case, then shouldn't that be something to be considered ?

Like man-made climate change? Harvard! ... Scientists! How can any mere man refuse to believe?

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:02 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Sermon. A great SERMON, right ?

Right.


Rap, Chris, you guys made me giggle. Many thanx.

On the other hand, I find Jongs instantaneous leaping to the conclusion that this is about "discrediting" Jesus very sad, but not surprising.

If it would discredit anything, it would discredit the patriarchal domination which everyone already knows has been rampant in The Church from…well, not long after Jesus' death, I would assume. Wouldn't be a bad thing at all if that power was lessened, considering the harm it's done through the centuries, and the fact that it is, on the face of it, precisely the OPPOSITE of Christ's teachings.

But that's a theological debate I will try not to get into…just curious how finding out Jesus might have been married and/or might have considered it perfectly legitimate for females to be his disciples would be "discrediting" Jesus.


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Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:13 PM

CHRISISALL


IMO some people have a fixed idea of who & what Jesus was (which is kinda funny seeing as there are no video or audio recordings from the time that are known to exist), and if you shake that up even the tiniest bit they get all spun about.

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:36 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


How come you're an atheist Rap?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:46 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by kpo:
How come you're an atheist Rap?

It's not personal. It's just war.



Oh, that's REAL simple ( sarcasm )

Where to start ?

Never saw any proof of Odin, Zeus, or the G-man, for starters.

Plus, the absurdity of it all, the Bible, or pick your favorite ancient text. It just doesn't jive w/ the real world.

That answer your question ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:48 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

While I fall into the category of ' faithless ', I don't see how this plays out as " academics " trying to attack or discredit JC in the least. Now, to be fair , that a mere fragment of parchment so far has been found which mentions the POSSIBILITY he was married ( to Mary ? ) does seem a touch suspect, on the face of it. But if it is indeed legitimate, which it appears is the case, then shouldn't that be something to be considered ?

Like man-made climate change? Harvard! ... Scientists! How can any mere man refuse to believe?



Don't cross the streams, Ray.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:21 AM

AURAPTOR

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Kpo - did i answer your question ?

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