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Reichwing stochastic terrorism in Christchurch

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Friday, March 15, 2019 8:51 AM

REAVERFAN


The Christchurch mosque shooter who live-streamed the attack said "Subscribe to PewDiePie" right before carrying out the attack. His 87-page manifesto refers to a who's who of far-right pundits and Youtubers, like Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, and others. This is stochastic terrorism. Sure, these people will cry and bemoan and condemn the attack, but there's no way they can evade the FACT that they influenced it. This has happened too many times before.

Who does Pew de pie follow on twitter? (abridged)


Ben Shapiro knows a thing or 2 about triggering mosque shooters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/18/quebec-ci
ty-mosque-shooter-scoured-twitter-for-trump-right-wing-figures-before-attack/?fbclid=IwAR33wLqCy01KfLfhQDiaOppYfdZsaqDoq4s7c0JicIWu1S-y280gCymMIvc&noredirect=on&utm_term=.9b36ce9db330




Candace Owens is trying to act innocent, too, but the internet never forgets.
https://twitter.com/shamtley/status/1106412725805203456?fbclid=IwAR1Vh
s0COEDU7tcRBLIN9KzybyuUCja2Mvso3_uNhvUCTyLDLCKvDCLu96w


Laura Southern's playing the victim too. Even bringing up radical islamists because she knows she's cornered. You can't condemn a murderer while spreading the propaganda that drove them to murder in the first place. Period.
https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1106453021657972736?fbclid=
IwAR2AfVM_AuOmik1BnBTP84NDg8KoKdypBHRHNHny7lma_IGvmNXKpnqIEpA


Doesn't fly, Laura.


She just deleted her "Great Replacement" video. Had tons of views.
https://twitter.com/shaun_jen/status/1106515317063331840?fbclid=IwAR3d
HVYkMa-Jd4EDzCmX2mUUrs24DzxWIiVSX5W25uR0ZP4wlTDSRlVKdzg


Don't worry. Much of it is preserved in Shaun's excellent debunking of it.



Alleged New Zealand Mosque Mass Shooter’s Manifesto Praises Donald Trump As ‘Symbol Of Renewed White Identity’
https://www.inquisitr.com/5343540/new-zealand-mass-shooter-trump-suppo
rter-candace-owens-manifesto/?fbclid=IwAR2zF6dNtzvHix6AbDXpEIRa48-1YACSW40yFhbfZX6E-ZfN1_hrkeI9FII


Those who inspired New Zealand shooter will still be on television tomorrow
https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/those-who-inspired-new-zealand-shoote
r-will-still-be-on-television-tomorrow-24959?fbclid=IwAR0xXpmSP-hJVJX5McxeLvAwTjuh98NZIz0uKTzW3dP6unUp5GmX1oa9Sxs


I anticipate some truly braindead responses from the trolls.




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Friday, March 15, 2019 9:48 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
I anticipate some truly braindead responses from the trolls.



"He wasn't influenced! It's just his brain was bad. It's his parents' faulty genetics to blame. Which means it's God's will!"

I see Trump linked directly to Brietbart from his Twiiter account. A big fat wet kiss to Brietbart. The fact that he's advertising for them is pretty remarkable, but then what's really remarkable any more? He's just adding to his "state run" proxy media empire.

Brietbart is another cog in the Chaos Machine:

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/03/01/putins-strategy-chaos/

"For all of Russia’s weaknesses as a great power, the Kremlin thinks it possesses one key advantage in long-term competition with America and the democratic West: Russia is more cohesive internally and will thus be able to outlast its technologically superior but culturally and politically pluralistic opponents. In recent years, Putin, his chief military strategist Valery Gerasimov, and other Russian leaders have employed disinformation to spread chaos for strategic effect. The Kremlin’s goal is to create an environment in which the side that copes best with chaos (that is, which is less susceptible to societal disruption) wins. The premise is Huntingtonian: that Russia can endure in a clash of civilizations by splintering its opponents’ alliances with each other, dividing them internally, and undermining their political systems while consolidating its own population, resources, and cultural base. Such a strategy avoids competition in those areas where the Kremlin is weak in hopes of ensuring that, when confrontation does come, it will enjoy a more level playing field.

Strategies of chaos are not new; other great powers in history have sought to sow instability in neighboring states to enhance their own security. Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, and Haushofer all advocated the use of what we would now call information warfare to confuse and weaken a foe before attacking him militarily. In Russian strategic history in particular, there is a tradition of stoking chaos on the far frontier to keep rivals divided and feuding internally—and thus unable to combine forces against Russia.

But there are disadvantages. Chaos strategies tend to backfire: Efforts to sow instability in a neighbor’s lands can ricochet, eventually affecting the initiator. In the lead-up to World War I, for example, the Russian Empire employed an aggressive information warfare campaign aimed at splintering Austria-Hungary. The effort increased the instability of Russia’s own western regions and contributed to a surge of Bolshevism that forced the Russians out of the war. Indeed, in today’s war against Ukraine, Russia has sealed its borders against returning fighters lest they cause trouble at home.

Another problem with chaos strategies is that they involve a tactic—the purposeful use of disinformation—that tends to become more extreme with time. Methods of spreading disinformation that are initially surreptitious become more recognizable with use, so new and more drastic ones must be invented. In addition, since they are ultimately acts of war, it is hard to know when disinformation campaigns are preludes to kinetic operations. And by provoking counter-moves by their targets, they can trigger tests of strength, which these tactics were designed to avoid in the first place. Despite these potential pitfalls, the Kremlin is gambling that the West won’t recognize its strategy of sowing chaos or organize a sufficient response. It may be right."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-doctrine-
russia-foreign-policy-215538


In February 2013, General Valery Gerasimov—Russia’s chief of the General Staff, comparable to the U.S. chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff—published a 2,000-word article, “The Value of Science Is in the Foresight,” in the weekly Russian trade paper Military-Industrial Kurier. Gerasimov took tactics developed by the Soviets, blended them with strategic military thinking about total war, and laid out a new theory of modern warfare—one that looks more like hacking an enemy’s society than attacking it head-on. He wrote: “The very ‘rules of war’ have changed. The role of nonmilitary means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown, and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness. … All this is supplemented by military means of a concealed character.”

The article is considered by many to be the most useful articulation of Russia’s modern strategy, a vision of total warfare that places politics and war within the same spectrum of activities—philosophically, but also logistically. The approach is guerrilla, and waged on all fronts with a range of actors and tools—for example, hackers, media, businessmen, leaks and, yes, fake news, as well as conventional and asymmetric military means. Thanks to the internet and social media, the kinds of operations Soviet psy-ops teams once could only fantasize about—upending the domestic affairs of nations with information alone—are now plausible. The Gerasimov Doctrine builds a framework for these new tools, and declares that non-military tactics are not auxiliary to the use of force but the preferred way to win. That they are, in fact, the actual war. Chaos is the strategy the Kremlin pursues: Gerasimov specifies that the objective is to achieve an environment of permanent unrest and conflict within an enemy state."

Also:
https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/03/09/chaos-serves-putin-s-interest
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Friday, March 15, 2019 10:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


There you are w/ that silly , nonsensical word again - ' realm wing ' .


honestly, what's that even supposed to mean ? You'll never say, because it takes too many brain cells for you to formulate a coherent sentence.

I get it. I really do.

Shooter had a major brain malfunction, no doubt. He claimed specifically he was an " eco fascist " and " NOT a conservative " .


Who do you know that would call Trump supporters ' eco-fascists '??? No one.

Fact is, he didn't know right from wrong or right from left. He's synapses were fried, by some means.

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Friday, March 15, 2019 12:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It;s true: He called himself an "eco fascist"

He described his political evolution this way:

Quote:

I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before becoming an ecofsacist


He also described himself as a member of the new Knights Templar and a white man.

He may as well have thrown in antifa while he was at it, because he had a fruit salad of self-descriptions.

The reality is, whatever you call yourself - antifa, eco-fascist, jihadist, USMC, or white supremacist - when you start killing non-combatants in order to instill a sense of fear (the very definition of "shock and awe") you are a TERRORIST. Your cause, your organization, the "side" that you're on - doesn't matter. It's what you do that counts.


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Friday, March 15, 2019 12:59 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It;s true: He called himself an "eco fascist"

He described his political evolution this way:

Quote:

I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before becoming an ecofsacist


He also described himself as a member of the new Knights Templar and a white man.

He may as well have thrown in antifa while he was at it, because he had a fruit salad of self-descriptions.

The reality is, whatever you call yourself - antifa, eco-fascist, jihadist, USMC, or white supremacist - when you start killing non-combatants in order to instill a sense of fear (the very definition of "shock and awe") you are a TERRORIST. Your cause, your organization, the "side" that you're on - doesn't matter. It's what you do that counts.



He didn't start shooting until he was a full-bore fascist, inspired by Trump and Candace Owens.




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Friday, March 15, 2019 1:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think we would need to read his maifesto in order to grok the totality of his ideological evolution. However, as HE described it in that sentence, ECOFASCIST came last.

But the reality is, REAVERBOT, whatever cause(s) you attach yourself to, once you start terrorizing people for political ends that makes you - by definition- a terrorist.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, March 15, 2019 1:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The dratted double!

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Friday, March 15, 2019 1:36 PM

REAVERFAN


He was quite clear about why.

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Friday, March 15, 2019 2:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I'm not sure that he was. I haven't looked into it, and his manifesto has been taken down, but he seemed to have a potpourri of reasons.

In any case, the fact remains that if you start terrorizing people for political ends - no matter what those ends might be - you are, by definition, a terrorist. I don't feel the need to try and create categories of "good" and "bad" terrorists. No matter how compelling you believe your cause to be (and I would imgaine that ALL terrorists believe that their cause is the most compelling cause possible!) just be prepared to be labelled as a terrorist if you engage in terrorism. It seems pretty clear to me.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Friday, March 15, 2019 5:01 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm not sure that he was. I haven't looked into it, and his manifesto has been taken down, but he seemed to have a potpourri of reasons.

In any case, the fact remains that if you start terrorizing people for political ends - no matter what those ends might be - you are, by definition, a terrorist. I don't feel the need to try and create categories of "good" and "bad" terrorists. No matter how compelling you believe your cause to be (and I would imgaine that ALL terrorists believe that their cause is the most compelling cause possible!) just be prepared to be labelled as a terrorist if you engage in terrorism. It seems pretty clear to me.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

Gotta love the old Russian troll standard talking point, "both sides are just as bad," that you always resort to.

You're a Nazi apologist, as well as a Russian troll, and a shit person.

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Friday, March 15, 2019 8:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Both sides are just as bad.

I do hope that you're regularly getting the ass kickings in real life that you deserve, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 15, 2019 9:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


REAVERBOT: What's with this "sides" shit? I'm discussing what A PERSON does. When A PERSON terrorizes other people for political end, that PERSON is a terrorist. Acts of terrorism are acts of terrorism, no matter who does them, or why.

Now, if you REALLY feel that "your cause" justifies violence, then of course follow your dream... just don't expect a lot of people to approve/excuse your behavior.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Friday, March 15, 2019 9:51 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
REAVERBOT: What's with this "sides" shit? I'm discussing what A PERSON does. When A PERSON terrorizes other people for political end, that PERSON is a terrorist. Acts of terrorism are acts of terrorism, no matter who does them, or why.

Now, if you REALLY feel that "your cause" justifies violence, then of course follow your dream... just don't expect a lot of people to approve/excuse your behavior.


More false attributions, and denial of the core causes and motivations of this attack. How Russian troll of you.

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Friday, March 15, 2019 9:52 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Both sides are just as bad.

I do hope that you're regularly getting the ass kickings in real life that you deserve, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This is why you're dumb.

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Friday, March 15, 2019 9:52 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Is someone going full Bolshevik Joe Stalin??? So to blame for all this murder, the terror fascism, this mass shooting, the blood baths, the bombs, the guns and murder we have a Conservative Jew to blame, and also an Alt rightwing Blonde Canadian girl? Facebook and Youtube? 4chan Memes about the Ironsky or Moon Nazis, once a Lefty black girl activist Candace Owens becomes an African American Conservative? a Patriot French person? BLAME the internet, music and memes in general ... also PewDiePie a Swedish homosexual gamer? youtuber live streamer who makes troll comments?

Who knows maybe I'm wrong but I don't expect the New Reich to be like this

I don't really get it? its like one madman professor insane trying to diagnose another mad man?

Oh yeah .... and blame Trump?

Got a noise on the roof, some boards and wood creaking, maybe a leak coming in that roof? Blame Trump!!
Dog barking late at night, owls hoot, crickets make nooise, cars too loud, birds chirp too early in the morning? blame Trump!
pumps funny, toilet not flushing right, blame Trump!
Bank charge you something extra? a lot of new paper work? blame Trump!
Got a Flat Wheel, late for work? yes you know it! Blame Trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

and they say lets begin talking of banning guns again?

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Friday, March 15, 2019 10:07 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It;s true: He called himself an "eco fascist" .



Some kind of madman, he seemed drawn to extremism or violence, a terrorist, fascist who hated muslims and loved mass murder, that's about all I can say its hard to understand a mind like that. Seems mostly the rants of a madman and a lot of memes and crazy talk. The deadliest criminal act in New Zealand history. The last guy killed 6 some criminal Anderson guy but found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity, there were also family murders, hotel arson and an attack a mass shooting spree northeast of Dunedin in New Zealand. This one is probably greater than all other New Zealand mass murders combined.

Maybe it should be noted that he was not home-grown he was in a ways foregin, an Australian was arrested and charged with murder. People said there was more than one shooter but from the vid I streamed it seemed to be a lone guy with guns, he may have also planned to burn the mosque down from what I seen in the vid.

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Friday, March 15, 2019 10:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It's easy to say that anyone who commits extreme violence is in a way "crazy", but if the guy knows who he is and what day of the week it is and who's Prime Minister in Australia, his neurons are working. Not crazy, just ideologically possessed.

Yanno, badly programmed, like REAVERBOT.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, March 15, 2019 10:26 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Looks like a gun ban looms

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
He was quite clear about why.



I don't know, I have an idea not sure on his madness and terror and murder but anyways whats your explanation

Kind of strange in all the madness how he would post memes, quote events and history, grab onto many different extreme groups

No doubt he was a mass murdering mad man, a killer, a criminal

Also on extremism, religion, nations do you think you guys will be able to go it alone in future's history. Leave the myopia behind for a sec and look ahead, do you think all those brother and sister tribes do you think the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, the Israeli Jewish population will be able to go it alone without the support of say the West, Europe, the West and go it alone in their own fight against say Iran or Saudi or Pakistan, no US aid, no American guns, no missiles, no aircraft everything made and built and funded by themselves?

In Kiwi land
A new gun ban might be coming?

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1106631994580983809

USA politics
Is Ann Coulter just an offensive Troll or is she the New-Hitler reborn?

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 7:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Both sides are just as bad.

I do hope that you're regularly getting the ass kickings in real life that you deserve, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This is why you're dumb.




Thanks for clearing that up, Batman.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:36 AM

REAVERFAN


This is first mass shooting outside the US where the shooter cited Trump as an inspiration, afaik.

Several US terrorists have openly admired him.

What a president!


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Saturday, March 16, 2019 1:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Meanwhile, Obama supports Muslim radicals and funds ISIS and al Qaeda in Syria.

Quote:

KUHNER: How Obama arms al Qaeda
President Obama has crossed a moral red line. Recently, he did the unthinkable: He announced that the U.S. government would directly arm terrorist groups in Syria.

Mr. Obama said that he would waive a federal law designed to prevent weapons from being sent to designated-terrorist organizations. In particular, the president cited a provision in the Arms Export Control Act that enables him to provide assistance to outlawed groups, provided it is “essential to the national security interests of the United States.” Mr. Obama’s actions may be legal, but they are reckless, dangerous and will haunt America for years to come.

The administration’s goal is to provide military assistance to the Syrian opposition rebels, who are determined to overthrow strongman Bashar Assad. Syria’s bloody civil war has cost more than 100,000 lives and plunged the Arab nation into a sectarian bloodbath. Contrary to media spin, however, the anti-Assad rebels are not “moderates.” They are not seeking to forge an Arab Switzerland — a tolerant, multiethnic democracy.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/20/kuhner-how-obama-arms
-al-qaeda
/

Quote:

America has suffered a terror attack every year under Obama
America has now averaged one serious Islamic terrorist attack a year on President Obama’s watch, yet he still insists the threat from radical Islam is overblown and that he’s successfully protecting the nation.

If only hubris could be weaponized! In the wake of Omar Mateen’s Orlando massacre, Obama whined about growing criticism of his terror-fighting strategy. But boy, does he deserve it. His record on terrorism is terrible, and Hillary Clinton should have a tough time defending it.

Here we are in the eighth year of his presidency, and the nation has now suffered eight significant attacks by Islamist terrorists on US soil or diplomatic property — an average of one attack a year since Obama’s been in office, with each new attack seemingly worse than the last. [Here are the first seven]
December 2015: Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, a married Pakistani couple, stormed a San Bernardino County government building with combat gear and rifles and opened fire on about 80 employees enjoying an office Christmas party. They killed 14 after pledging loyalty to ISIS. A third Muslim was charged with helping buy weapons.

July 2015: Mohammad Abdulazeez opened fire on a military recruiting center and US Navy Reserve center in Chattanooga, Tenn., where he shot to death four Marines and a sailor. Obama refused to call it terrorism.

May 2015: ISIS-directed Muslims Nadir Soofi and Elton Simpson opened fire on the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas, shooting a security guard before police took them down.

April 2013: Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Muslim brothers from Chechnya, exploded a pair of pressure-cooker bombs at the Boston Marathon, killing three and wounding more than 260. At least 17 people lost limbs from the shrapnel.

September 2012: Terrorists with al Qaeda in the Maghreb attacked the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, killing the US ambassador, a US Foreign Service officer and two CIA contractors. Obama and then-Secretary of State Clinton misled the American people, blaming the attack on an anti-Muslim video.

November 2009: Army Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire on fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 13. Obama ruled it “workplace violence,” even though Hasan was in contact with an al Qaeda leader before the strikes and praised Allah as he mowed down troops.

June 2009: Al Qaeda-trained Abdulhakim Muhammad opened fire on an Army recruiting office in Little Rock, Ark., killing Pvt. William Long and wounding Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula.

So there you have it — an average of one serious terror strike against the United States every year on Obama’s watch. And we’re not even counting the underwear bomber, Times Square bomber, Fed Ex bombs and other near-misses.


https://nypost.com/2016/06/16/america-has-suffered-a-terror-attack-eve
ry-year-under-obama
/

Quote:

Obama Praises Terrorist-Supporting Muslim Cleric Who Backed Killing of U.S. Soldiers

http://www.truthandaction.org/obama-praises-muslim-cleric-backed-killi
ng-u-s-soldiers/2
/

What President!






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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 3:42 PM

REAVERFAN




Logical you ain't.

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 3:48 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!





Factual and honest you ain't.

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 3:54 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Seemed to be mostly the trolling rants of a mad man with a lot of 4chan style memes

You look back and what's the gossip?
He's in Turkey, North Korea, Europe, the Balkans, Pakistan?


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Syria.



the criminal Aussie on a mission of killing, terror and mass murdering New Zealand

Why is he spending time in strange places?

... Pakistan, North Korea, Europe, Arabia ... Christchurch shooting, mosque terror, mass murders

Whats he doing in the Balkans, India and Turkey and North Korea and Pakistan?
Big Gap in his life
2011 to “travel overseas” ???

In his town many, many kiwis become jihadis, some even White Kiwi, travel to yemen to Syria and get killed by US drones or NATO military?
a town in the middle of nowhere with global connections, large israel operation also

.... Didn't take long for the conspiracy to get going? https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2019/03/new-zealand-mosque-attacks-false
-flag.html , https://flipboard.com/topic/pakistan , https://www.newsoneplace.com/7168001901/mi5-christchurch-brenton-tarra
nt-britain-investigating-shooting-suspect-extremists . https://www.forerunnertotheantichrist.com/2019/03/daniels-third-beast-
leopard-nationalism.html ? https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News/1152459/Trump-decries-monstrous-Ne
w-Zealand-terror-attacks-on-mosques-that-are-.html , https://www.dailymail.co.uk/auhome/index.html Turkey? Bosnia?
? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-15/christchurch-shooting-brenton-t
arrant-what-we-know/10904744
Ran some Crypto Currency? North Korea

Facebook profile almost empty, phone gone silent? who knows where he is

then he's Back at a hotel in Pakistan?
Now a picture of the Aus New Zealand Christchurch shooter in North Korea

What's he doing in the Pakistani Hotel?

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 6:32 PM

AURAPTOR

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I believe Obama still leads everyone else in the category of inviting radical hate groups into the White House.

Obama Invites Inciters of Cop-Killers to the White House

Obama hosts a roundtable of Black Lives Matter racists and useful idiots.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263505/obama-invites-inciters-cop-kil
lers-white-house-matthew-vadum


Lemmie know when Trump does the same.

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Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:21 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama Invites Inciters of Cop-Killers to the White House

Obama hosts a roundtable of Black Lives Matter racists and useful idiots.



"I think there's some really good people on both sides..."

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Sunday, March 17, 2019 12:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama Invites Inciters of Cop-Killers to the White House

Obama hosts a roundtable of Black Lives Matter racists and useful idiots.



"I think there's some really good people on both sides..."



Did Trump invite any neo-Nazi groups to the WH ?? He did not.

' Both sides ' is absolutely a honest and correct thing for the President to say. He was talking about those who want to preserve our historical markers as a part of our national story, as well as being sensitive to those who express the opinions that praising Confederates doesn't help us move forward, as a nation.

There are really good people on both sides. Just as he wasn't talking about the KKK / WNs, he also wasn't talking about the Antifa thugs, who came w/ clubs and chains to start violence. THOSE masked clowns, dressed all in black and equally full of hate aren't who Trump was praising either, so why do you exclude them, but assume he was ONLY talking about the other ?

Your logic is flawed.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 17, 2019 12:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I believe Obama still leads everyone else in the category of inviting radical hate groups into the White House.

Obama Invites Inciters of Cop-Killers to the White House

Obama hosts a roundtable of Black Lives Matter racists and useful idiots.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263505/obama-invites-inciters-cop-kil
lers-white-house-matthew-vadum


Lemmie know when Trump does the same.

Deflecting with more of your tinfoil nut job crap.

Can you just admit that this guy was a white supremacist who was incited to do what he did by reichwing pundits and Trump? Is that so hard to do?

Can you just admit that all the terrorism in the US today is done by white supremacists, who adore Trump and see him as their leader?

Can you just admit it?

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Sunday, March 17, 2019 12:58 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Deflecting with more of your tinfoil nut job crap.

Can you just admit that this guy was a white supremacist who was incited to do what he did by reichwing pundits and Trump? Is that so hard to do?

Can you just admit that all the terrorism in the US today is done by white supremacists, who adore Trump and see him as their leader?

Can you just admit it?



It's directly addressing the issue, assclown, not deflecting anything.


Show me the evidence, then I'll make a judgement on Trump. So far, he's done , said nothing which remotely indicates he's anything close to what you're trying to claim.

Most of the terrorism today is caused by radical Muslims, and gang members, if you really want to call what's taking place in Chicago ' terrorism '. I think it is, but for some reason, the MSM wants to ignore all that.

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Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:00 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


REAVERBOT, why anyone shuld buy into your biased narrative is beyond me.

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Monday, March 18, 2019 5:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I read an interpretation why this man fixed on Muslims: According to him, overpopulation is the main problem and nonwhites breed faster.

That's what I would have assumed was the link between ecoterrorism and killing Muslims, but since his manifesto has been taken down I suppose we'll never know.

Otoh he also wanted to spark a civil war in the USA, so it's possible that we could be arguing over his manifesto forever too

*****

Still, terrorism is a TACTIC, not a "side". It's been employed by the Irish (IRA), Muslims on both sides of the Sunni/Shia divide, nations like the USA and Saudi Arabia, far-left groups like Sendero Luminoso and the Black Bloc, and white power groups. It's ridiculous to try and paint one "side" as terrorist and another "side" as not when they both employ the same tactic.


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Monday, March 18, 2019 6:10 PM

REAVERFAN


Reichwing terrorism is #1 in the US. Has been for years.

ADL Report: Right-Wingers Committed Every 2018 Extremist Murder In US
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/anti-defamation-league-report-
right-wing-extremists-2018-murders?fbclid=IwAR3LUR9p4JTDQLBU2vI3mYutNnEy0GldSi7wgmuQ5DrZrHYlxTpJjH-4X2g

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Monday, March 18, 2019 6:22 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I read an interpretation why this man fixed on Muslims: According to him, overpopulation is the main problem and nonwhites breed faster.

That's what I would have assumed was the link between ecoterrorism and killing Muslims, but since his manifesto has been taken down I suppose we'll never know.

Otoh he also wanted to spark a civil war in the USA, so it's possible that we could be arguing over his manifesto forever too

*****

Still, terrorism is a TACTIC, not a "side". It's been employed by the Irish (IRA), Muslims on both sides of the Sunni/Shia divide, nations like the USA and Saudi Arabia, far-left groups like Sendero Luminoso and the Black Bloc, and white power groups. It's ridiculous to try and paint one "side" as terrorist and another "side" as not when they both employ the same tactic.


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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

"Both sides are the same." - Russian troll speak.

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Monday, March 18, 2019 10:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


A terrorist is a terrorist and "sides" had nothing to do with it.



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Monday, March 18, 2019 10:51 PM

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It's evident to me that RF hasn't yet grappled with the idea that the difference between his terrorism and the terrorism in NZ is one that exits only in his head.

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Monday, March 18, 2019 11:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
It's evident to me that RF hasn't yet grappled with the idea that the difference between his terrorism and the terrorism in NZ is one that exits only in his head.

He wants to think that there's "good terrorism" (his) as opposed to "bad" terrorism ("theirs")

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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 8:32 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
It's evident to me that RF hasn't yet grappled with the idea that the difference between his terrorism and the terrorism in NZ is one that exits only in his head.

He wants to think that there's "good terrorism" (his) as opposed to "bad" terrorism ("theirs")


"My" terrorism? Really?

Oh, do tell me more, Russian trolls. What is "my" terrorism?

I can use a laugh.

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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:40 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A terrorist is a terrorist and "sides" had nothing to do with it.



I thought you were the person that was interested in solutions? How would you solve the problem of terrorism if you don't know what motivates terrorists?

Seems basic - to not acknowledge that is pretty suspicious.

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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A terrorist is a terrorist and "sides" had nothing to do with it.



I thought you were the person that was interested in solutions? How would you solve the problem of terrorism if you don't know what motivates terrorists?

Seems basic - to not acknowledge that is pretty suspicious.



Everyone knows comrade sig hates Jews. And to keep it real that hatred spreads outward with her.

As for comrade rue ( kiki ) shoo

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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:23 AM

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Conservative politicians defending Chelsea Clinton from extreme left wackos blaming the Christchurch shooting on her.

Seriously Marcos, your people really don't know how to make friends and influence people.

There is a book about that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What is the "cause" of terrorism?

It's when a person feels so righteous in their cause, and when they have so completely dehumanized the "other side", that they feel free to commit violence categorically against people who aren't committing violence against them.

Like when REAVERBOT advocates violence against people, not because they're committing violence but because he thinks that they're right-wingers who "deserve" violence. (REAVERBOT has advocated violence against white males more than once. As a reminder, REAVERBOT's justification of aggressive violence against white males prompted "Punch a Nazi" posts in reply.)

The specific "cause" doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the terrorist's goal is Irish independence, or "freedom for the opppressed", or the greater glory of Allah, or the hegemony of white people ...

The "cause" of terrorism is radicalization of one's viewpoint, where one starts defining EVERYONE in terms of "sides", and then dehumanizing the other "side" to the point where their deaths are an acceptable tactic.


REAVERBOT is heading in that direction. Some of his posts advocating violence could be considered the beginnings of his own manifesto.


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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 2:12 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What is the "cause" of terrorism?

It's when a person feels so righteous in their cause, and when they have so completely dehumanized the "other side", that they feel free to commit violence categorically against people who aren't committing violence against them.

Like when REAVERBOT advocates violence against people, not because they're committing violence but because he thinks that they're right-wingers who "deserve" violence. (REAVERBOT has advocated violence against white males more than once. As a reminder, REAVERBOT's justification of aggressive violence against white males prompted "Punch a Nazi" posts in reply.)

The specific "cause" doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the terrorist's goal is Irish independence, or "freedom for the opppressed", or the greater glory of Allah, or the hegemony of white people ...

The "cause" of terrorism is radicalization of one's viewpoint, where one starts defining EVERYONE in terms of "sides", and then dehumanizing the other "side" to the point where their deaths are an acceptable tactic.


REAVERBOT is heading in that direction. Some of his posts advocating violence could be considered the beginnings of his own manifesto.



Thanks! I knew you wouldn't disappoint!

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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 2:35 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The "cause" of terrorism is radicalization of one's viewpoint, where one starts defining EVERYONE in terms of "sides", and then dehumanizing the other "side" to the point where their deaths are an acceptable tactic.



And what are some of the causes that facilitate this radicalization of one's viewpoint?

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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 2:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Choosing to, or being forced to, live in an information bubble where they only hear one side. Not listening to anyone else AS AN INDIVIDUAL.

The best way to understand how this works is to see how it works in reverse: People who have been radicalized but who, thru circumstance, have been forced to communicate with an individual of the hated target group have at times broken out of their bubble and reversed their prejudices.

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Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:20 PM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
It's evident to me that RF hasn't yet grappled with the idea that the difference between his terrorism and the terrorism in NZ is one that exits only in his head.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
He wants to think that there's "good terrorism" (his) as opposed to "bad" terrorism ("theirs")

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
"My" terrorism? Really?

Oh, do tell me more, Russian trolls. What is "my" terrorism?

I can use a laugh.

Since you failed to refute the posts, the point still stands.

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Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:38 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Choosing to, or being forced to, live in an information bubble where they only hear one side. Not listening to anyone else AS AN INDIVIDUAL.



There are 2 large motivating factors that keep those bubbles secure:

1. Being attracted to a dynamic figure or source, one who encourages and enables hate without any stigma. In fact, rewards it.
2. Being convinced by propaganda aimed at demonizing a group.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The best way to understand how this works is to see how it works in reverse: People who have been radicalized but who, thru circumstance, have been forced to communicate with an individual of the hated target group have at times broken out of their bubble and reversed their prejudices.



Happens all the time. Green Book is a popular example, one of many. The Truth will set you free.

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Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:37 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Since you failed to refute the posts, the point still stands.


You don't really have a strong grasp of logic, do you?

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Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I'm not sure that dynamic figures play a large part in terrorism. If you look at state-sponsored terrorism, when the state has control of the media, it can successfully dehumanize and then demonize any group that it wants to.

Beginning the (second) invasion of Iraq with "shock and awe" ... which is the very definition of violence against noncombatants for a political goal ... most people in the USA supported it because they were extremely fearful of those fictitious WMDs. Or, if you don't care for that example, many terrorists don't have "a" central figure or leader that they attach to, they're "ideologically possessed", and quite a few are self-radicalized which is how we get the "lone wolf" terrorist.

I really think it's more about dehumanization/ demonization: first, seeing the world entirely in the light of "sides" ("my side, your side") and then viewing everyone who's not on "your side" as an enemy (demonization).

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Wednesday, March 20, 2019 2:09 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/international/africa/court-finds-rw
anda-media-executives-guilty-of-genocide.html


Court Finds Rwanda Media Executives Guilty of Genocide

ARUSHA, Tanzania Dec. 3 — In the first verdict of its kind since the Nuremberg trials, an international court today convicted three Rwandan news media executives of genocide for helping to incite a killing spree by machete-wielding gangs who slaughtered about 800,000 Tutsis in neighboring Rwanda in early 1994.

A three judge panel found that the three defendants used a radio station and a twice-monthly newspaper to inflame ethnic hatred that eventually led to massacres at churches, schools, hospitals and roadblocks. The radio station, dubbed Radio Machete in Rwanda, guided killers to specific victims, broadcasting the names, license plate numbers and hiding places of Tutsis.

Today's verdict was the first conviction of news media executives for crimes of genocide since 1946, when the famous Nuremberg tribunal sentenced the Nazi publisher Julius Streicher to hang for his vitriolic campaign against the Jews. The Arusha judges sentenced two defendants to life in prison and the third to 27 years, reducing it from the life term they said he deserved because his rights were violated early in the case.
Continue reading the main story

"The power of the media to create and destroy human values comes with great responsibility," the court said in a 29-page summary of its judgment. "Those who control the media are accountable for its consequences."

Besides drawing a legal boundary between protected speech and criminal incitement to mass murder, the tribunal's judges and prosecutors said the case vindicated the court's painfully slow and hugely expensive approach to delivering justice in a region where impunity of the powerful has long been the rule.

The legal dividing line of responsibility for inciting violence against a group isn't expressing generic dislike of that group, it's SPECIFIC incitement to violence.


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Wednesday, March 20, 2019 4:49 PM

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Quote:

"I'll Carry Out A Massacre": Bus Full Of Kidnapped Italian Children Set On Fire By Senegalese-Born Driver (com - fortunately, no one was hurt)

Update: The driver, a 47-year-old father of two whose ex-wife is Italian, has been charged with carnage and kidnapping of 51 students, according to the Daily Mail.

According to the a police commander, the the driver, Ousseynou Sy, threatened the passengers - "telling them that 'no one would survive today." as he dcommandeered the bus carrying two middle-school classes in Cremona province around 25 miles from Milan."

He was said to have ordered the children's hands to be bound and threatened to kill them and himself during the drive, before setting the vehicle on fire when he was stopped by a police blockade today.
As he was apprehended, the driver said he was protesting migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told Sky TG24. -Daily Mail


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-20/ill-carry-out-massacre-bus-f
ull-italian-children-set-fire-senegalese-born-driver

I'm sure this guy thought his actions were justified. It's my observation that, unless you're dealing with sociopaths or people with otherwise biologically scrambled brains, a person who commits a heinous act usually has some rationalization as to why it's OK.

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