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No justice, no peace.

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No justice, no peace.

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What part is unjust?

Are you referring to Unjust history?

No justice currently?

No justice in The Plan?

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No justice, no peace.

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What part is unjust?

Are you referring to Unjust history?

No justice currently?

No justice in The Plan?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I think in The Sum Of All Fears, was Middle East peace.
It seemed, and I continued to hope, that progress was being made under Bush41, Bush43,

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
War Mongering Israelis and the Islamist Pallywood Mohammedans?



https://nypost.com/2021/05/12/israeli-palestinian-fighting-in-gaza-the
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Untold numbers of Terrorists buried in their Terrorist Tunnels and underground cities.

The world thanks Israel for this advancement.



Earlier this week, Israel announced it would enter and clean up the area where Terrorist rockets and missiles have been launched from lately.
Then they staged some tanks and other equipment along the border between areas.
Then the Terrorists ran to hide underground in their Terrorist Tunnels, leaving civilians to bear the brunt of attacks, shielding the Terrorists below ground.
Then, instead of crossing the ground equipment over the border, Israel drops hundreds of surgically precise bombs from more than a hundred aircraft, collapsing the Terrorist Tunnels and cities upon the Terrorists.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF, this is is one of those things we'll never agree on, unless you learn some history and come to see things my way.



Yanno, there WERE people living in Palestine b4 the Brits so generously gave Palestine to the Jews. There WAS an agreement that only 400,000Jews were to settle in that area, but the Jews managed to jam in three times that number, displacing everyone who had already been living there. And they have been displacing Palestinians ever since, occupying more and more of their homes and farms, squeezing them into smaller and smaller spaces, controlling the amount of water, electricity, and food entering Gaza and denying the inhabitants any ports or free travel by setting up checkpoints and walls

When I say that Israel has created the biggest open-air prison in history, bigger than the Warsaw ghetto, you should think about what that means.

The only solution is a two-state solution, and Israel should give back the land it has occupied ILLEGALLY (by international law) ... ETA since 1967.

Let me put it in a way that you might understand. If, say, the EU were to give Provence-Cote d'Azur (of south France) to Algerians, and Algerians poured in en- masse and displaced all if the original inhabitants, and furthermore these immigrants were to squeeze the origin inhabitants into the tiniest possible city, and tightly control its economic livelihood, trade, travel, utilities, and services; maintain them in substandard conditions; harass them constantly by sending in troops; deny the original inhabitants citizenship and meaningful representation, and continue to nibble at what little land remained to the former inhabitants, wouldn't they be rightly pissed off?

Wouldn't you?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF, this is is one of those things we'll never agree on, unless you learn some history and come to see things my way.



Yanno, there WERE people living in Palestine b4 the Brits so generously gave Palestine to the Jews. There WAS an agreement that only 400,000Jews were to settle in that area, but the Jews managed to jam in three times that number, displacing everyone who had already been living there. And they have been displacing Palestinians ever since, occupying more and more of their homes and farms, squeezing them into smaller and smaller spaces, controlling the amount of water, electricity, and food entering Gaza and denying the inhabitants any ports or free travel by setting up checkpoints and walls

When I say that Israel has created the biggest open-air prison in history, bigger than the Warsaw ghetto, you should think about what that means.

The only solution is a two-state solution, and Israel should give back the land it has occupied ILLEGALLY (by international law) ... ETA since 1967.

Let me put it in a way that you might understand. If, say, the EU were to give Provence-Cote d'Azur (of south France) to Algerians, and Algerians poured in en- masse and displaced all if the original inhabitants, and furthermore these immigrants were to squeeze the origin inhabitants into the tiniest possible city, and tightly control its economic livelihood, trade, travel, utilities, and services; maintain them in substandard conditions; harass them constantly by sending in troops; deny the original inhabitants citizenship and meaningful representation, and continue to nibble at what little land remained to the former inhabitants, wouldn't they be rightly pissed off?

Wouldn't you?

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I understand you have a different PoV on a number of different issues, sometimes I don't understand them.
So, you are saying the 2-State solution where Israel is irradicated is your preference? Palestinian Law requires that all Israelis are killed, removed from the face of the earth, and you agree with this?
In your analogy, that would be the same as saying the original-resident frogs would demand that all Algerians be exterminated. You find that an acceptable template of your "Peace"?


And, preferably, it would help if you reference dates, like years, of which historical events you feel pertinent.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Lord Darth Obiden has announced, now that Israel has stopped defending itself, and Hamas continues to rain down hundreds of rockets upon Isreal, this is defined as a "Cease Fire" - which he demanded after Rashida Talib contronted him for 8 minute on the tarmac in MI.


https://www.npr.org/2021/05/18/998038591/rep-tlaib-pushes-biden-to-pro
tect-at-risk-palestinians-in-middle-east-conflict

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rashida-tlaib-confronts-biden-israeli-s
upport-gaza_n_60a44fd2e4b069dc490144d5

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9592359/Rashida-Tlaib-confron
ts-Biden-Michigan-accusing-letting-Netanyahu-commit-war-crimes.html

https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-tlaib-rashida-name

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/05/19/squads-rashid-tlaib-confronts-
biden-in-heated-exchange-on-tarmac-1076119/




https://ca.news.yahoo.com/hamas-official-predicts-ceasefire-soon-22215
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JSF, this is is one of those things we'll never agree on, unless you learn some history and come to see things my way.



Yanno, there WERE people living in Palestine b4 the Brits so generously gave Palestine to the Jews. There WAS an agreement that only 400,000Jews were to settle in that area, but the Jews managed to jam in three times that number, displacing everyone who had already been living there. And they have been displacing Palestinians ever since, occupying more and more of their homes and farms, squeezing them into smaller and smaller spaces, controlling the amount of water, electricity, and food entering Gaza and denying the inhabitants any ports or free travel by setting up checkpoints and walls

When I say that Israel has created the biggest open-air prison in history, bigger than the Warsaw ghetto, you should think about what that means.

The only solution is a two-state solution, and Israel should give back the land it has occupied ILLEGALLY (by international law) ... ETA since 1967.

Let me put it in a way that you might understand. If, say, the EU were to give Provence-Cote d'Azur (of south France) to Algerians, and Algerians poured in en- masse and displaced all if the original inhabitants, and furthermore these immigrants were to squeeze the origin inhabitants into the tiniest possible city, and tightly control its economic livelihood, trade, travel, utilities, and services; maintain them in substandard conditions; harass them constantly by sending in troops; deny the original inhabitants citizenship and meaningful representation, and continue to nibble at what little land remained to the former inhabitants, wouldn't they be rightly pissed off?

Wouldn't you?

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I understand you have a different PoV on a number of different issues, sometimes I don't understand them.
So, you are saying the 2-State solution where Israel is irradicated is your preference? Palestinian Law requires that all Israelis are killed, removed from the face of the earth, and you agree with this?
In your analogy, that would be the same as saying the original-resident frogs would demand that all Algerians be exterminated. You find that an acceptable template of your "Peace"?


And, preferably, it would help if you reference dates, like years, of which historical events you feel pertinent.

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The "two state" solution means the creation of a Palestinian state AND the maintenance of the state of Israel, just reduced to its former borders (pre1967).

The Palestinians want the two-state solution.

I assumed you had a rudimentary grasp of the situation.

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SIGNYM:
JSF, this is is one of those things we'll never agree on, unless you learn some history and come to see things my way.



Yanno, there WERE people living in Palestine b4 the Brits so generously gave Palestine to the Jews. There WAS an agreement that only 400,000Jews were to settle in that area, but the Jews managed to jam in three times that number, displacing everyone who had already been living there. And they have been displacing Palestinians ever since, occupying more and more of their homes and farms, squeezing them into smaller and smaller spaces, controlling the amount of water, electricity, and food entering Gaza and denying the inhabitants any ports or free travel by setting up checkpoints and walls

When I say that Israel has created the biggest open-air prison in history, bigger than the Warsaw ghetto, you should think about what that means.

The only solution is a two-state solution, and Israel should give back the land it has occupied ILLEGALLY (by international law) ... ETA since 1967.

Let me put it in a way that you might understand. If, say, the EU were to give Provence-Cote d'Azur (of south France) to Algerians, and Algerians poured in en- masse and displaced all if the original inhabitants, and furthermore these immigrants were to squeeze the origin inhabitants into the tiniest possible city, and tightly control its economic livelihood, trade, travel, utilities, and services; maintain them in substandard conditions; harass them constantly by sending in troops; deny the original inhabitants citizenship and meaningful representation, and continue to nibble at what little land remained to the former inhabitants, wouldn't they be rightly pissed off?

Wouldn't you?


JSF: I understand you have a different PoV on a number of different issues, sometimes I don't understand them.
So, you are saying the 2-State solution where Israel is irradicated is your preference? Palestinian Law requires that all Israelis are killed, removed from the face of the earth, and you agree with this?
In your analogy, that would be the same as saying the original-resident frogs would demand that all Algerians be exterminated. You find that an acceptable template of your "Peace"?


And, preferably, it would help if you reference dates, like years, of which historical events you feel pertinent.

SIGNY: The "two state" solution means the creation of a Palestinian state AND the maintenance of the state of Israel, just reduced to its former borders (pre1967).

The Palestinians want the two-state solution.

I assumed you had a rudimentary grasp of the situation.

JSF: The Palestinians want the 2-state solution, as defined by the removal of all Israelis from the face of the earth, right? That is their Law, correct?

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SIGNYM:
JSF, this is is one of those things we'll never agree on, unless you learn some history and come to see things my way.



Yanno, there WERE people living in Palestine b4 the Brits so generously gave Palestine to the Jews. There WAS an agreement that only 400,000Jews were to settle in that area, but the Jews managed to jam in three times that number, displacing everyone who had already been living there. And they have been displacing Palestinians ever since, occupying more and more of their homes and farms, squeezing them into smaller and smaller spaces, controlling the amount of water, electricity, and food entering Gaza and denying the inhabitants any ports or free travel by setting up checkpoints and walls

When I say that Israel has created the biggest open-air prison in history, bigger than the Warsaw ghetto, you should think about what that means.

The only solution is a two-state solution, and Israel should give back the land it has occupied ILLEGALLY (by international law) ... ETA since 1967.

Let me put it in a way that you might understand. If, say, the EU were to give Provence-Cote d'Azur (of south France) to Algerians, and Algerians poured in en- masse and displaced all if the original inhabitants, and furthermore these immigrants were to squeeze the origin inhabitants into the tiniest possible city, and tightly control its economic livelihood, trade, travel, utilities, and services; maintain them in substandard conditions; harass them constantly by sending in troops; deny the original inhabitants citizenship and meaningful representation, and continue to nibble at what little land remained to the former inhabitants, wouldn't they be rightly pissed off?

Wouldn't you?


JSF: I understand you have a different PoV on a number of different issues, sometimes I don't understand them.
So, you are saying the 2-State solution where Israel is irradicated is your preference? Palestinian Law requires that all Israelis are killed, removed from the face of the earth, and you agree with this?
In your analogy, that would be the same as saying the original-resident frogs would demand that all Algerians be exterminated. You find that an acceptable template of your "Peace"?


And, preferably, it would help if you reference dates, like years, of which historical events you feel pertinent.

SIGNY: The "two state" solution means the creation of a Palestinian state AND the maintenance of the state of Israel, just reduced to its former borders (pre1967).

The Palestinians want the two-state solution.

I assumed you had a rudimentary grasp of the situation.

JSF: The Palestinians want the 2-state solution, as defined by the removal of all Israelis from the face of the earth, right? That is their Law, correct?

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Your question is inherently flawed. You can't have a two- state solution when one state is destroyed. Please re-read my post, emphasis added.

Once you comprehend the definition of a two- state solution, and stop insisting that the two- state solution results in only one state, we can begin to talk about what Palestinians want.

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JSF, this is is one of those things we'll never agree on, unless you learn some history and come to see things my way.



Yanno, there WERE people living in Palestine b4 the Brits so generously gave Palestine to the Jews. There WAS an agreement that only 400,000Jews were to settle in that area, but the Jews managed to jam in three times that number, displacing everyone who had already been living there. And they have been displacing Palestinians ever since, occupying more and more of their homes and farms, squeezing them into smaller and smaller spaces, controlling the amount of water, electricity, and food entering Gaza and denying the inhabitants any ports or free travel by setting up checkpoints and walls

When I say that Israel has created the biggest open-air prison in history, bigger than the Warsaw ghetto, you should think about what that means.

The only solution is a two-state solution, and Israel should give back the land it has occupied ILLEGALLY (by international law) ... ETA since 1967.

Let me put it in a way that you might understand. If, say, the EU were to give Provence-Cote d'Azur (of south France) to Algerians, and Algerians poured in en- masse and displaced all if the original inhabitants, and furthermore these immigrants were to squeeze the origin inhabitants into the tiniest possible city, and tightly control its economic livelihood, trade, travel, utilities, and services; maintain them in substandard conditions; harass them constantly by sending in troops; deny the original inhabitants citizenship and meaningful representation, and continue to nibble at what little land remained to the former inhabitants, wouldn't they be rightly pissed off?

Wouldn't you?


JSF: I understand you have a different PoV on a number of different issues, sometimes I don't understand them.
So, you are saying the 2-State solution where Israel is irradicated is your preference? Palestinian Law requires that all Israelis are killed, removed from the face of the earth, and you agree with this?
In your analogy, that would be the same as saying the original-resident frogs would demand that all Algerians be exterminated. You find that an acceptable template of your "Peace"?


And, preferably, it would help if you reference dates, like years, of which historical events you feel pertinent.

SIGNY: The "two state" solution means the creation of a Palestinian state AND the maintenance of the state of Israel, just reduced to its former borders (pre1967).

The Palestinians want the two-state solution.

I assumed you had a rudimentary grasp of the situation.

JSF: The Palestinians want the 2-state solution, as defined by the removal of all Israelis from the face of the earth, right? That is their Law, correct?

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Your question is inherently flawed. You can't have a two- state solution when one state is destroyed. Please re-read my post, emphasis added.

Once you comprehend the definition of a two- state solution, and stop insisting that the two- state solution results in only one state, we can begin to talk about what Palestinians want.

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It almost seems you are starting to catch on.
Just like the current Fake Cease Fire, Hamas and Palestinians only agree to the Cease Fire as defined as Israel must stop defending itself, while Hamas insists upon continuing to rain missiles and bombs down upon Israel.

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The only 2-state solutions that Palestine agrees with is those which retain the Palestinian demand that Israel be annihilated.

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which preclude Palestine from having missiles, military weapons to attack Israel. As soon as Palestine agrees to Israel opeingin up to being attacks, Palestine always immediately breaks the agreement by raining missiles upon Israel.

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Palestine has never ever been a State, and has refused to become a State.

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Ottoman Empire was the Islamic Superpower from 13th century into the 20th, until 1917, when the world got fed up enough with the barbarians within. Palestine Arabs just have sour grapes over the crumbled Ottoman Empire. All those centuries of Islamic Idiocy did not erase Jerusalem, did not erase King David declaring Jerusalem as Capital of Jewish Kingdom (1000BC), did not erase Jesus Christ (30 AD), did not erase Late-To-The-Party prophet Mohammed (632 AD).

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The PLO Charter specifies the annihilation of Israel, in article 15, and all the other articles are demands for all children of Arabs be trained to kill Jews.
Neither PLO nor Palestine Authority has been willing to even consider allowing jews to loive

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JSF, this is is one of those things we'll never agree on, unless you learn some history and come to see things my way.



Yanno, there WERE people living in Palestine b4 the Brits so generously gave Palestine to the Jews. There WAS an agreement that only 400,000Jews were to settle in that area, but the Jews managed to jam in three times that number, displacing everyone who had already been living there. And they have been displacing Palestinians ever since, occupying more and more of their homes and farms, squeezing them into smaller and smaller spaces, controlling the amount of water, electricity, and food entering Gaza and denying the inhabitants any ports or free travel by setting up checkpoints and walls

When I say that Israel has created the biggest open-air prison in history, bigger than the Warsaw ghetto, you should think about what that means.

The only solution is a two-state solution, and Israel should give back the land it has occupied ILLEGALLY (by international law) ... ETA since 1967.

Let me put it in a way that you might understand. If, say, the EU were to give Provence-Cote d'Azur (of south France) to Algerians, and Algerians poured in en- masse and displaced all if the original inhabitants, and furthermore these immigrants were to squeeze the origin inhabitants into the tiniest possible city, and tightly control its economic livelihood, trade, travel, utilities, and services; maintain them in substandard conditions; harass them constantly by sending in troops; deny the original inhabitants citizenship and meaningful representation, and continue to nibble at what little land remained to the former inhabitants, wouldn't they be rightly pissed off?

Wouldn't you?


JSF: I understand you have a different PoV on a number of different issues, sometimes I don't understand them.
So, you are saying the 2-State solution where Israel is irradicated is your preference? Palestinian Law requires that all Israelis are killed, removed from the face of the earth, and you agree with this?
In your analogy, that would be the same as saying the original-resident frogs would demand that all Algerians be exterminated. You find that an acceptable template of your "Peace"?


And, preferably, it would help if you reference dates, like years, of which historical events you feel pertinent.

SIGNY: The "two state" solution means the creation of a Palestinian state AND the maintenance of the state of Israel, just reduced to its former borders (pre1967).

The Palestinians want the two-state solution.

I assumed you had a rudimentary grasp of the situation.

JSF: The Palestinians want the 2-state solution, as defined by the removal of all Israelis from the face of the earth, right? That is their Law, correct?

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Your question is inherently flawed. You can't have a two- state solution when one state is destroyed. Please re-read my post, emphasis added.

Once you comprehend the definition of a two- state solution, and stop insisting that the two- state solution results in only one state, we can begin to talk about what Palestinians want.

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It almost seems you are starting to catch on.
Just like the current Fake Cease Fire, Hamas and Palestinians only agree to the Cease Fire as defined as Israel must stop defending itself, while Hamas insists upon continuing to rain missiles and bombs down upon Israel.

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The only 2-state solutions that Palestine agrees with is those which retain the Palestinian demand that Israel be annihilated.

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Palestine has never ever been a State, and has refused to become a State.

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Ottoman Empire was the Islamic Superpower from 13th century into the 20th, until 1917, when the world got fed up enough with the barbarians within. Palestine Arabs just have sour grapes over the crumbled Ottoman Empire. All those centuries of Islamic Idiocy did not erase Jerusalem, did not erase King David declaring Jerusalem as Capital of Jewish Kingdom (1000BC), did not erase Jesus Christ (30 AD), did not erase Late-To-The-Party prophet Mohammed (632 AD).

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Son, your understanding of history is abysmal. It's not because "the world got fed up enough with the barbarians within" that caused the Ottoman Empire to fall.

It's no coincidence that the Ottoman Empire fell in the midst of World War 1.

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What, you didn't notice the coincidence of dates??? Turkey (more accurately, th Ottoman Empire) entered WW1 on the side of Germany and Austria-Hungary, AND LOST. France, Britain,and Russia were allies, and France and Britain agreed, with Russian concurrence, to carve up the Ottoman Empire between them - including Palestine- if they won.

And "Palestinians" were NOT in control of the Ottoman Empire and in fact pretty much didn't like being ruled from Turkey. So it's not like there's "sour grapes" among Palestinians about the Ottoman Empire.

I think it's more like... their land was given away by Britain, which took control over that part of the Mideast (splitting it with France along Sykes-Picot line) https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/britain-and-france-conclud
e-sykes-picot-agreement and then gave it to the Jews because Britaindidn't want Jews settling in their own country.

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Israel fired missiles at Gaza - killing at least a couple dozen people including women and children- because Gaza fired mostly ineffective missiles at Israel.

Now, WHY did Gaza fire missiles at Israel?

Was it because the police ad Jewish West Back settlers attacked worshipper at the Al Aqsa Mosque in east Jerusalem, on Friday, a day of worship during the holy month of Ramadan?

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https://thestringernews.com/2021/05/22/israeli-police-attack-worshippe
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Yanno, Palestinians have no weaponry or military compared to Israel. The attacks on Palestinians kill at least ten times as many Palestinians as Israelis are killed. Israel constantly builds new settlements, taking more and more land (ILLEGALLY), maintaining Palestinians in horrific conditions and they expect Palestinians to just quiety submit?

The PLO signed the Oslo Accords and agreed to the two-state solution, https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/september-13-1993-israel-and
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The PLO Charter specifies the annihilation of Israel, in article 15, and all the other articles are demands for all children of Arabs be trained to kill Jews.
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Find me a copy of this "charter" and LINKS PLEASE. Because the PLO DID sign the Oslo Accords which required a two-state solution.

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Now, at one time Palestinian support for the two-state solution was fairly high. But since Israel has continued to occupy more and more of the West Bank and continued to maintain tight control of Palestinians under terrible conditions, harass them in their homes and on their farms, tear down their olive and other orchards, and continued to apply highly disproportionate damage to Palestinians, support for the two state solution among Palestinians has dropped somewhat below 50 pct.

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SIGNYM:
The Charter was adopted in 1968. The Oslo Accords were signed in 1993.

JSF: Yes. I understood you were unable to locate the PLO Charter, having been existance for only 52 years.
I already addressed the 1993 Accords,

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JSF- which is why Israel cannot agree to that, and also why PLO demands the ability to bomb Israel into nonexistence.

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SIGNY: Seems like you're referencing outdate material.

JSF: You be funny. You solely reference outdated material from either 1967 or 1993. The Jewish Kingdom was established in 1000 BC. It has been conquered more than 50 times. By the Romans, Egyptians, Ottomans/Osmans, and finally by the world in 1917.
Such an illogical location to place the Nation of Israel, in the historic and original Kingdom/home of the Jews. Settling the home of the Jews in the home of the Jews - how horrific. Sure, the Arabs conquered the area for a while, but then they were conquered.

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SIGNY: I assume that you concede all of the other points that you erroneously made.

JSF: Incorrect. Running out of time to post the massive amount of facts and truth which refutes your ignorance or denials does not equal "concede"
I will concede that you have more time to post nonsense than I have to reply with facts. The wealth of facts and truth in the world is far more voluminous than your narrow narrative of ignorance, lies and denials.

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SIGNY: Now, at one time Palestinian support for the two-state solution was fairly high. But since Israel has continued to occupy more and more of the West Bank and continued to maintain tight control of Palestinians under terrible conditions, harass them in their homes and on their farms, tear down their olive and other orchards, and continued to apply highly disproportionate damage to Palestinians, support for the two state solution among Palestinians has dropped somewhat below 50 pct.

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Zionists on the Defensive
Israel’s Friends overwhelm Capitol Hill
Philip Giraldi • May 25, 2021

Yes folks, there is an international conspiracy and it is all about “protecting” Israel. It operates through front and lobbying groups that uniquely promote the interests of a foreign country, Israel, even when those interests do serious damage to the host country where the lobbyists actually live. In Britain, for example, there are a Conservative Friends of Israel and a Labour Friends of Israel, comprising together 216 members of parliament and party officials. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been silent about Gaza apart from expressing “deep concern” and blaming both sides while Labour leader Keir Starmer, who has also been under pressure to say something, has focused on how four car loads of alleged Palestinian supporters in London may or may not have driven around shouting out “anti-Semitic” comments. Starmer, one recalls, ran on a leadership campaign pledging to root out “anti-Semitism” in the party as a response to previous leader Jeremy Corbyn’s apparently ill-advised public recognition that Palestinians are human beings. Also in Britain, contesting details of the standard narrative of the so-called holocaust can result in a large fine and even some jailtime.

In 2017, Al-Jazeera ran an undercover operation directed against various Israeli front groups in Britain and in the US which determined that officers from the respective Israeli Embassies, presumably intelligence linked, were meeting regularly with members of the alleged non-government organizations that had been set up to provide support for the Jewish state. In Britain, the interaction included explicit discussions on how to destroy the careers of politicians who were deemed to be insufficiently pro-Israeli. In the US the objective has been to disrupt the activities of pro-Palestinian groups, most particularly the Boycott, Divest and Sanctions (BDS) movement. The pro-Israeli and anti-Arab initiatives were coordinated with and sometimes initiated by the Israeli Embassy officers, suggesting that they were actually intelligence operations.

That many American Jewish groups are collaborating directly with the Israeli Embassy raises two concerns. First, it is ipso facto a violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), which should require registration and complete transparency regarding one’s sources of income and interactions with the foreign embassy. And second, as many of the groups are in tax exempt status with the IRS as either charitable or educational foundations, that status should be rescinded given their foreign affiliation. Of course, the reality is that the Treasury Department has known all that and more for many years and has never taken any action relating to deceptive behavior by pro-Israel groups.

Elsewhere in Europe, “Holocaust denial” even if it only consists of challenging clearly fabricated “factual” details of the event can also land you in jail in Germany and France while criticizing the state of Israel is construed as anti-Semitism, a hate crime. Jewish groups have, in fact, promoted an official “International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance” (IHRA) definition of anti-Semitism, which includes any criticism of Israel as a defining characteristic. The United States Department of State has accepted that definition and language.

Yes, the United States has an office of the Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism and it is always headed by a Jew, as has been also the office in the Justice Department that continues to be dedicated to rooting out 90 year old Nazis. Meanwhile, the Republican Party, most particularly in its Trump version, is so close to Israel that it might reasonably be regarded as part of the Israel Lobby. And the Democrats are not much better, though there has been some dissent from progressives, which has led to the creation of a Zionist pressure group within the party called the Democratic Majority for Israel. It exists to defend Israel against any and all criticism while also protecting the billions of dollars and other benefits that the Jewish state receives from the US Treasury and government annually.

One might speculate that there is a whole federal government infrastructure devoted to Jewish and Israeli issues. How did that develop? Well, of course, money is what has made it happen. American politicians have notoriously always been easily corruptible, all it takes is a little cash. But no one is allowed to point out that obvious truth as linking Jews to money is regarded, by Jews and their captive media of course, as some kind of “anti-Semitic trope.”

Now it appears that a ceasefire is more-or-less in place but Israel’s ethnic cleansing that preceded its high-tech slaughter of Palestinian civilians who were being deliberately targeted has been perceived by the world, including many Americans, as particularly brutal. Which means the Zionist propaganda plus coercion machine has been working full time. Capitol Hill offices and the White House have no doubt been inundated with calls, emails and visits from constituents all singing the same song that was also being repeated by the President and Congress. It goes like this: “Israel is being attacked by Hamas terrorists and has a right to defend itself!”

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Sometimes there is a second verse which includes “The only democracy in the Middle East and America’s best friend and ally.”

Too bad that none of it is true, but the media also did its best to support the narrative by reporting how Hamas was launching “swarms” of rockets against Israel, making it appear as if a beleaguered Israel was valiantly defending itself against terrorist hordes. But the actual numbers told a different tale with only 12 Israelis killed after the violence erupted versus 232 Palestinians, including 65 children.

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Considerable infrastructure was also deliberately targeted and destroyed in Gaza versus limited damage in Israel while the calculated destruction of the building housing Associated Press (AP) and al-Jazeera should be seen as an attempt to eliminate any independent media observers on the ground in Gaza, even though AP predictably has hardly been critical of the Jewish state.

The Israel Lobby is, to be sure, expert at promoting and marketing its product. It is currently engaged in attacking celebrities and others who expressed any sympathy with the Palestinians while they were being slaughtered by the Israelis as anti-Semites. The larger and more openly combative Lobby groups like the American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) have supporters in virtually every congressional district in the United States who can be called upon to get on the phone and start pouring out emails as needed. So every congress critter hears the call and knows what it means. And no one wants to have a hostile Israel Lobby on one’s back if there is any thought of being re-elected. In some cases, approaches include suggestions that significant donations to support one’s political campaign will either increase or be denied depending on what the legislator chooses to do or say.

And then there are the personal visits on Capitol Hill from the Israel lobbyists. The door is always open for the man or woman from AIPAC. Sometimes the Congressman is actually urged to sign a statement on his or her view of the conflict, a document carefully prepared in advance by The Lobby, of course. And the work by the Israel Firsters is almost always effective. Witness for example what took place concerning the assault on Gaza, where Congress and the White House tried to outdo each other in declaring how much they love Israel even though they don’t necessarily have to say or do anything as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did what he wanted anyway. Biden reportedly spoke with Netanyahu six times urging teethlessly “de-escalation” of the fighting but the Israeli each time insisted that he would continue the operation “mowing the grass”

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in Gaza until “its aim is met.”

The Israeli grip on the US government is and should be astonishing and one has to ask why the American people put up with it. They likely endure because they are unaware of the extent of it. If anyone still doubts the degree to which Jewish power is a major force in the United States it is only necessary as a test case to look at the Congressional and White House comments on Gaza, which served absolutely no American interest and which will only make the world even more anti-US due to the Administration’s enablement of the slaughter of the Palestinians. Washington’s UN Ambassador vetoed three Security Council resolutions calling for a cease fire, as is often the case, the only country to vote “no.”

Several aspects of the US role in the fighting particularly demonstrate the ability of Israel and its domestic lobby to get what they want from Washington even when it seems counterintuitive for the Administration and Congress to be falling in line. To be sure, 138 Congressmen and 29 Senators eventually signed onto letters urging a cease fire, but the texts tended to be generic, lacking any context, which means the recommendations were basically useless and not intended to go anywhere.

A highly partisan approach, in line with many of the comments by other government spokesmen, was reflected in a letter from Kevin McCarthy, the “leading Republican” (sic) in Congress, who released a statement confirming his allegiance to Israel. Part of it read:

“The ongoing rocket attacks against Israeli civilians show why America must act immediately to support Israel, condemn Hamas, and sanction those who fund terrorism. Instead of pressuring Israel to compromise with this terrorist group, Democrats should join Republicans in voting to cut off international funding for terrorists.

“That is why today, Rep. Brian Mast, a U.S. Army combat veteran who served alongside the Israel Defense Force (IDF), will push for a vote on the Palestinian International Terrorism Support Prevention Act of 2021.

“This bipartisan bill, which passed the House last Congress, would sanction foreign governments and individuals who fund Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, such as Iran.”

For starters, how exactly is it that a US Army combat veteran served alongside the Israeli Army? And now this great admirer of Israel is in Congress? Once upon a time one would lose US citizenship for serving in a foreign army. Mast must have missed something about swearing an oath to uphold the US Constitution, not Benjamin Netanyahu and his band of thugs and war criminals. And why are McCarthy and Mast including Iran in their indictment? Possibly because Tehran support of the Palestinian cause would be a pretext for another war? And what are McCarthy and Mast doing pledging anything at all to a foreign country which at the time was engaged in genocide?

Bad enough, but what is really appalling is the role of Joe Biden “the peacemaker” in hurriedly pushing through approval to provide the Israelis with $735 million dollars-worth of precision guided missiles, exactly the kind of weapon being used by Israel currently to kill Gazans. One might reasonably ask “What was Joe thinking?” but that raises the second question of “Was he thinking at all, apart from exercising knee jerk loyalty to Israel and its psychotic leader?” He did not have to provide more weapons to the Jewish state, which apparently was not running out of weapons of its own, but he did it anyway.

The United States already pays one fifth of Israel’s so-called “defense” budget and this extra contribution, as well as the funds provided annually to pay for Iron Dome defense, is on top of that.

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If there was any question whether the US was enabling the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians the question was surely answered by the decision made by the president, who knowingly provided US made weapons to be used by Israel to commit war crimes in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, the US Arms Control Export Act and the existing Arms Supply Agreement between the US and Israel. He also was providing advanced tactical weapons to a country which is in violation of the Leahy Law due to its uninspected nuclear arsenal and is therefore ineligible for US government military assistance of any kind.

To be sure, some in Congress introduced a resolution to stop the weapons “sale” (a euphemism as Israel never pays for anything). Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib have proposed blocking the presidential authorization based on its one-sidedness and unsuitability when fighting is actually going on, but it was a futile gesture as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will surely let the bill die in committee. It will never reach the House floor for a vote. Senator Bernie Sanders has introduced a similar resolution in the Senate which will likely suffer the same fate.

Tlaib has argued that “The US cannot continue to give the right-wing Netanyahu government billions each year to commit crimes against Palestinians. Atrocities like bombing schools cannot be tolerated, much less conducted with US-supplied weapons. To read the statements [from the Biden Administration] you’d hardly know Palestinians existed at all. No child, Palestinian or Israeli, whoever they are, should ever have to worry that death will fall from the sky. How many of my colleagues are willing to say the same, to stand for Palestinian human rights as they do for Israel? How many Palestinians have to die for their lives to matter?”

So it is all same old, same old. Biden, who boasts that American ties to Israel are “unbreakable,” has welcomed the cease fire in Gaza but it is at best a pause in what has become generational intercommunal warfare based on Israeli intentions to eliminate the Palestinians. And Biden will even be seen as having provided the weapons to further that process. Americans, who have no compelling interest in being involved at all apart from their domination by a ruthless Israel Lobby on foreign policy issues relating to the Middle East, will pay the piper as they rearm the Israelis and enable the next round of killing. Some believe that the tide of public opinion is turning against Israel due to its brutality, but I have my doubts as the Lobby has been in control for so long and knows exactly which buttons to push to get what it wants. That, the subversion and corruption of American democracy, is the real tragedy.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yes, of course, the criminal aggression terrorist perpetrators absolutely must be granted far more rights than the victims.


Always support the terrorists, and when they shield themselves behind women and children, always parrot their narrative of being mostly peaceful missile-launching terrorists

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Additionally multiple hospitals and other health facilities had also been hit during the aerial campaign which in all took 248 Palestinian lives, among these 66 children, and wounding close to 2,000 more.

One Israeli pilot, identified only as "Major D" in the Channel 12 report, stunned by saying he sought to intentionally level entire towers as "a way to vent frustration" over Hamas' rocket fire and attacks on Jewish Israelis.

"I went on a mission to carry out air strikes with a feeling that destroying the towers is a way to vent frustration over what is happening to us and over the success of the groups in Gaza," the pilot explained according to a translation in Middle East Eye. Major D added: "We failed to stop the rocket fire and to harm the leadership of these groups, so we destroyed the towers."

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Yes, of course, the criminal aggression terrorist perpetrators absolutely must be granted far more rights than the victims.


Always support the terrorists, and when they shield themselves behind women and children, always parrot their narrative of being mostly peaceful missile-launching terrorists

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That must be why you support Israel.

You're just like WISHY: Your rules of "right" and "wrong" conveniently bend around "who" is doing, not "what" is being done.

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Additionally multiple hospitals and other health facilities had also been hit during the aerial campaign which in all took 248 Palestinian lives, among these 66 children, and wounding close to 2,000 more.

One Israeli pilot, identified only as "Major D" in the Channel 12 report, stunned by saying he sought to intentionally level entire towers as "a way to vent frustration" over Hamas' rocket fire and attacks on Jewish Israelis.

"I went on a mission to carry out air strikes with a feeling that destroying the towers is a way to vent frustration over what is happening to us and over the success of the groups in Gaza," the pilot explained according to a translation in Middle East Eye. Major D added: "We failed to stop the rocket fire and to harm the leadership of these groups, so we destroyed the towers."

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No linkies for your so-called facts?

Prolly bc your "understanding" is not reality-based.

Instead of trying to support your internal narrative, why don't you try to find out what is REALLY happening.

It's not as one-sided as your black-white brains paints things. Reality seldom is.

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SIGNYM:
No linkies for your so-called facts?

Prolly bc your "understanding" is not reality-based.
Instead of trying to support your internal narrative, why don't you try to find out what is REALLY happening.
It's not as one-sided as your black-white brains paints things. Reality seldom is.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2021/05/19/palestinians-bombard-
own-people-20-of-hamas-rockets-land-in-gaza/

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Palestinian terrorists are bombarding their own people, as 700 of the rockets fired from Gaza by Hamas and other terror groups — some 20% of the total — land in Gaza, often killing innocent Palestinian civilians whose deaths are wrongly blamed on Israel.

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https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202105121082872937-palestinians-lau
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https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/05/13/failed-hamas-rockets-falling-sho
rt-in-gaza-killed-17-civilians-in-monday-incidents-before-idf-airstrikes-says-security-official/

https://honestreporting.com/media-miss-real-story-as-palestinians-riot
-on-temple-mount/

https://rightwingnewshour.com/report-palestinian-terrorists-are-killin
g-their-own-people-in-droves/

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/05/dark-face-palestinian-terror-
joseph-klein/

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/05/12/as-hamas-terrorists-liter
ally-hide-behind-civilians-to-attack-israel-ilhan-omar-does-her-part-to-dispel-the-myth-of-human-shield-in-palestine/

Maybe check your reality. Perhaps you have an outdated version of Reality.

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SIGNYM:
No linkies for your so-called facts?

Prolly bc your "understanding" is not reality-based.
Instead of trying to support your internal narrative, why don't you try to find out what is REALLY happening.
It's not as one-sided as your black-white brains paints things. Reality seldom is.

*****

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2021/05/19/palestinians-bombard-
own-people-20-of-hamas-rockets-land-in-gaza/

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Palestinian terrorists are bombarding their own people, as 700 of the rockets fired from Gaza by Hamas and other terror groups — some 20% of the total — land in Gaza, often killing innocent Palestinian civilians whose deaths are wrongly blamed on Israel.

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https://honestreporting.com/media-miss-real-story-as-palestinians-riot
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https://rightwingnewshour.com/report-palestinian-terrorists-are-killin
g-their-own-people-in-droves/

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/05/dark-face-palestinian-terror-
joseph-klein/

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/05/12/as-hamas-terrorists-liter
ally-hide-behind-civilians-to-attack-israel-ilhan-omar-does-her-part-to-dispel-the-myth-of-human-shield-in-palestine/

Maybe check your reality. Perhaps you have an outdated version of Reality.

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So, let's say that Hamas killed 20 Gazans by accident.

Thats terrible. They must be horrible people.

Israel killed 200. On purpose. So on that gray scale of "worse-better", does that make Israel 10X worse than Hamas? Or do we get to put a multiplier on that because Israel kills people with malice aforethought? Can we call them, say, 1,000 times worse, because that represents the difference between mass murder versus manslaughter?

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Two hundred Palestinians, including 59 children, have been killed during a week of attacks in Gaza, health officials in the territory have said, as Benjamin Netanyahu signalled Israel’s bombardment would rage on despite mounting global pressure to stop the bloodshed.

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Funny how when Hamas rockets fall short, they land only on innocent civilians, but when Israel launchses rockets into Gaza they have such PRECISE aim that only "terrorists" are killed!

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Two hundred Palestinians, including 59 children, have been killed during a week of attacks in Gaza, health officials in the territory have said, as Benjamin Netanyahu signalled Israel’s bombardment would rage on despite mounting global pressure to stop the bloodshed.

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Funny how when Hamas rockets fall short, they land only on innocent civilians, but when Israel launchses rockets into Gaza they have such PRECISE aim that only "terrorists" are killed!

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Two hundred Palestinians, including 59 children, have been killed during a week of attacks in Gaza, health officials in the territory have said, as Benjamin Netanyahu signalled Israel’s bombardment would rage on despite mounting global pressure to stop the bloodshed.

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You're a joke, JSF. Logic-resistant, fact-resistant, with morals as bendable as TWITCHY'S, and a habit of name-calling that belongs in a four-year-old.

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Arguing against yourself, yet again.
You just argued that IDF missiles were much more surgical strikes, and that the terrorist missiles were notoriously inaccurate - if they even made it across the Israeli border.
And now you seem to call your own statements into question.

To correct your misstatements, the IDF missiles kill only terrorists, plus the women and children that the terrorists hustled into the military targets, even after IDF announced to evacuate these targets before the missiles were launched.

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Israel/OPT: Pattern of Israeli Attacks on Residential Homes in Gaza Must Be Investigated As War Crimes
WASHINGTON - Israeli forces have displayed a shocking disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians by carrying out a number of airstrikes targeting residential buildings in some cases killing entire families - including children - and causing wanton destruction to civilian property, in attacks that may amount to war crimes or crimes against humanity, said Amnesty International today.

The organization has documented four deadly attacks by Israel launched on residential homes without prior warning and is calling for the International Criminal Court (ICC) to urgently investigate these attacks. The death toll in Gaza continues to climb with at least 198 Palestinians killed including 58 children and more than 1,220 injured.

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Israel's Bombardment of Gaza: Methods, Weapons, and Impact

For eleven days this May, an asymmetric war raged between the Israeli Defense Force, one of the most technologically advanced militaries on the planet, and Hamas, the Palestinian militant group that governs the Gaza Strip, a small, isolated and impoverished coastal enclave with a population of 2 million.

I previously looked at the rockets and other weapon systems employed by Hamas against civilian and military targets in Israel, as well as the effectiveness of Israel’s Iron Dome defense system.

This article examines the principal weapons and methods employed by the Israeli Defense Force and their impact on Hamas and civilians in Gaza.

The IDF ground and air forces reportedly conducted a total 1,500 strikes in the 11-day war, injuring 1,900 Palestinians and killing at least 254.

The IDF claimed it killed at least 225 Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) fighters and 25 of their leaders. Israeli strategists saw the war as an opportunity to ‘mow the lawn’ by destroying assets built up by Hamas since the last war with Israel in 2014. Hamas and PIJ have only conceded to the loss of 80 fighters (57 Hamas, 22 PIJ, plus one member of a group called the Popular Resistance Committee).

Gaza health authorities meanwhile reported 39 women, 17 elderly persons (ages 60-90) and 66 children among the dead. Amongst the latter were eleven children aged 5 to 15 enrolled in the Norwegian Refugee Council’s trauma relief program.

The many dead children are in part a consequence of the IDF practice of bombing the homes of Hamas leaders. Heavy casualties also resulted from a strike targeting an “underground military structure” on al-Wahda street that killed over 40 civilians, wiping out all but a few members of three large families...

The IDF prominently employed the 2,000-pound GBU-31 (V)4/B bunker-buster subvariant to level high-rise [APARTMENT] buildings in Gaza....

The IDF bombardment, however, had wider effects:

53 school buildings damaged
11 health centers and six hospitals damaged, including Gaza’s only Covid testing and vaccination center, and a Red Crescent headquarters
The leader of Gaza’s Covid-19 campaign killed along with dozens of civilians in his apartment building.
Gaza’s largest bookstore destroyed
A desalinization plant (ie. converting salt water into drinkable water) disabled
Gaza’s infrastructure including electricity sewage pipes has been ruptured by bomb blasts, and reportedly 50% of the water pipeline network

The attacks have reportedly damaged 17,000 residential and commercial units and destroyed 1,000 residential units including 5 residential towers, leaving at least 72,000 Palestinians homeless.

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Israeli Pilots: We Couldn’t Stop the Rockets, So We Took Our Frustration Out on Gaza Apartment Towers

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