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Wednesday, September 29, 2021 5:31 PM

BRENDA



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Wednesday, September 29, 2021 8:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That right there is a display of agility and hand/eye coordination that I don't imagine too many people in the world could ever match.

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Thursday, September 30, 2021 12:52 AM

BRENDA


You are quite correct Jack. It takes a lot of practice to be able to do that.

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Thursday, September 30, 2021 12:55 AM

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Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
You are quite correct Jack. It takes a lot of practice to be able to do that.



That goes beyond just practice...

I've been hitting nails with hammers for 24 years and I still manage to hit my thumb.



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Thursday, September 30, 2021 5:27 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
You are quite correct Jack. It takes a lot of practice to be able to do that.



That goes beyond just practice...

I've been hitting nails with hammers for 24 years and I still manage to hit my thumb.



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Hoop dancers I think most of them start as children then as they progress work their way up the rankings at the pow wows.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2021 2:23 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:52 PM

BRENDA


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
'Buffalo Crossing' pairs Northern Cheyenne traditional art forms with symphonic music
https://billingsgazette.com/news/local/buffalo-crossing-pairs-northern
-cheyenne-traditional-art-forms-with-symphonic-music/article_8ce31eb0-9808-53a0-923a-540345ebe36a.html



Thank you for posting something interesting to this little thread.

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Wednesday, November 3, 2021 6:37 PM

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Wednesday, November 3, 2021 7:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, not to be a buzz kill, but...

Culture is rooted on how people make a living. Supposedly, the Innuit had almost two dozen words for "snow" that would tell them how far, how fast, and with what kind of effort could be traveled by dog sled. But once you have snowmobiles, those words lose their relevance.

Same thing with being a tracker and Hunter: in a big city, car repair is a more useful skill.

Once upon a time, when people lived by farming, the hoedown (literally, you put your hoes down) pulled small communities together and gave respite from unending toil.

It's like blacks carrying over their resentment from past slavery: it does no good in today's society.

The fact is that we live in a modern financialist society, and except for sentimental attachment to cultural remnants, they are vestiges of a long-ago past.

At one time, this meant a lot to my dad:

. He grew up on a farm in Poland until WWII whisked him away to Siberia, England, and the USA.

BTW I believe we should keep the old skills alive, as the Japanese do.
We may need them someday. But the songs, dances, and food are unmoored without the production and society to anchor them.

You need to keep far more "alive" than demonstration dances in order to stay relevant.


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Wednesday, November 3, 2021 9:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What that means, BTW, would be consciously creating a society and culture that revere's some of the old values (like cooperation, respect for the earth), teaches the old skills and language, but also teaches new skills so the society can survive in a inimical milieu.

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Wednesday, November 3, 2021 11:44 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, not to be a buzz kill, but...

Culture is rooted on how people make a living. Supposedly, the Innuit had almost two dozen words for "snow" that would tell them how far, how fast, and with what kind of effort could be traveled by dog sled. But once you have snowmobiles, those words lose their relevance.

Same thing with being a tracker and Hunter: in a big city, car repair is a more useful skill.

Once upon a time, when people lived by farming, the hoedown (literally, you put your hoes down) pulled small communities together and gave respite from unending toil.

It's like blacks carrying over their resentment from past slavery: it does no good in today's society.

The fact is that we live in a modern financialist society, and except for sentimental attachment to cultural remnants, they are vestiges of a long-ago past.

At one time, this meant a lot to my dad:

. He grew up on a farm in Poland until WWII whisked him away to Siberia, England, and the USA.

BTW I believe we should keep the old skills alive, as the Japanese do.
We may need them someday. But the songs, dances, and food are unmoored without the production and society to anchor them.

You need to keep far more "alive" than demonstration dances in order to stay relevant.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake




The Inuit still do hunting and tracking in the winter months and so that old information can still be useful. Igloos are still built during the winter.

Pow wows in my mind are useful because to me they teach. The ones that go with the rodeos everyone is welcome to come and listen to drums and the songs. Sharing keeps cultures a live.

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Wednesday, November 3, 2021 11:53 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What that means, BTW, would be consciously creating a society and culture that revere's some of the old values (like cooperation, respect for the earth), teaches the old skills and language, but also teaches new skills so the society can survive in a inimical milieu.

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SIG, the people in the north now call themselves Inuk.

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Thursday, November 4, 2021 6:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
What that means, BTW, would be consciously creating a society and culture that revere's some of the old values (like cooperation, respect for the earth), teaches the old skills and language, but also teaches new skills so the society can survive in a inimical milieu.


BRENDA: SIG, the people in the north now call themselves Inuk.



That is as relevant to cultural survival as transexuals picking their own pronoun: ze, hir, whatever.

But don't mind me. I'm in an exceptionally bleak mood tonight and seeing the dark side of everything.

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Thursday, November 4, 2021 2:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Then I can call you and your kind toothless-ignorant-poor-white-trailer-jackoff-trash, and you won't mind?

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Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Then I can call you and your kind toothless-ignorant-poor-white-trailer-jackoff-trash, and you won't mind?

I've been called worse.

Being able to name yourself and make it stick is one kind of power. But not equal to economic and social power, if you ask me. Also, it is reactionary, bc it is reacting to, and depending on, how the larger society responds.

But at some point it devolves into hyper-polirical-correctness, where everyone gets to pick their own pronouns because otherwise they don't feel "safe" with all of those verbal "mucroaggressions".

It's a little like "jive": a way of excluding others by keeping people guessing what your language is that day. Defiantly declaring another identity, even if that identity is dysfunctional.

I understand that ppl of different heritages might want to distinguish themselves from the main culture and forge a new identity, but at some point it turns in passive-aggression. Plus, there has to be something beyond a name. It has to be a sustainable whole.

"An Inuit person is known as an Inuk"



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Thursday, November 4, 2021 4:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Actually, as I think about it: if a people had real power and were comfortable in their own identity, they wouldn't care so much what they were called. Being hyper-sensitive to what you are called actually points out a dependency on the larger society.

True, we must all be aware of what the larger society calls us, because demonization in words promotes demonization in deed.

But treating people with ordinary politeness, as equals, and without name-calling, should be good enough.

BTW, calling someone Inuit instead of Inuk can hardly be equated to calling someone "ignorant, toothless, domestic terrorist fodder" or "n*gger".

That's too much of a stretch, wouldn't you say? Not a reasonable comparison

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Thursday, November 4, 2021 7:22 PM

BRENDA


But let me ask you this SIG, has anyone ever told you not call yourself an American?

Because Native Americans and First Nations have been told over 150years not to say Apache, Cree, Dene, Haida, Mohawk, Inuk or Inuit, Cheyenne, Dakota.

In residential schools in Canada First Nations children sometimes weren't given a "Christian" name, they were called a number by the nuns and priests. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the same thing happened down there in the US.

You were never told or beaten by a teacher for speaking English which is your language?

My grandmother, great aunts and uncle would have been beaten for speaking Shoshone.

I want to see the records for residential schools in Montana but I am also worried about what I might find in them.

Also I will not deny my heritage.

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Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
But let me ask you this SIG, has anyone ever told you not call yourself an American?

Are you NOT AWARE of HOW MANY TIMES I've been called a Russian Troll and told that I was NOT American? Seriously,BRENDA, you HAVE been reading the libel leveled against me, right?

And, as a Polish-American (1.5th generation) I don't fit either into the Polak culture, the American culture, or the Polish culture. My hubby, who was born in Hungary,also has a mixed identity.

You're not the only one!

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Because Native Americans and First Nations have been told over 150years not to say Apache, Cree, Dene, Haida, Mohawk, Inuk or Inuit, Cheyenne, Dakota.
And native Irish, Italians,Jews, etc have ALSO experienced harsh pogroms including British slavery of the Irish and starving half the population to death during the great potato famine. (Meanwhile, British plantations in Ireland were exporting wheat, beef, butter and milk)

But why are YOU upset over something that happened 150 years ago? Has anyone here asked to to deny that part of your heritage that is native?

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In residential schools in Canada First Nations children sometimes weren't given a "Christian" name, they were called a number by the nuns and priests. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the same thing happened down there in the US.
You were never told or beaten by a teacher for speaking English which is your language?

If you want to lok at it that way, one of my native languages would have been Polish, which I was not taught in order to "assimilate".

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My grandmother, great aunts and uncle would have been beaten for speaking Shoshone.

I want to see the records for residential schools in Montana but I am also worried about what I might find in them.

The Brits did this everywhere they extended their empire. The first thing they did to ANY foreign culture was to try to destroy the native language.

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Also I will not deny my heritage.

NOBODY HAS ASKED YOU TO! And don't forget, only PART of your heritage is native. Are you trying to deny the other parts?

My point, BTW, was not to expunge heritage but to make it more sustainable and relevant. There are MANY people that might like to recover the non- mainstream part of their heritage, but you need more than dances and songs to do it.

I think you entirely missed what I was driving at.

And I don't see why you're huffy about something that happened a long time ago. Sure, it was wrong and unjust, but it is a historical fact, and you can't change the past. You can only move forward. Where do you go from here?

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Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Meaningless virtue signaling from Microsoft

Quote:

Woke capital incarnate’: Microsoft event opens with land acknowledgments & pronouns
5 Nov, 2021 00:11
‘Woke capital incarnate’: Microsoft event opens with land acknowledgments & for

Microsoft’s virtual conference Ignite 2021 was all about hybrid work, metaverse and the cloud, but it opened with “land acknowledgments” to local native tribes and featured speakers describing their race and preferred pronouns.

The virtual event that ran between Tuesday and Thursday had more than 200,000 attendees across the world and featured speakers from CEO Satya Nadella to project and marketing managers speaking about Microsoft’s plans for the future.
Also on rt.com Microsoft launches Metaverse rival, staking out uncanny valley territory before Facebook can build its own reality

Before any of that could happen, however, senior program manager Allison Weins had a ritual to perform.

“We need to acknowledge that the land where the Microsoft campus is situated was is traditionally occupied by the Sammamish, Duwamish, Snoqualmie, Suquamish, Muckleshoot, Snohomish, Tulalip, and other coast Salish people since time immemorial,” Weins said, “a people who are still continuing to honor and bring to light their amazing heritage.”



Meanwhile, Microsoft and Bill Gates continue to fuck everyone in the ass.

The question, BRENDA, is: Do you have the land, the resources, and the social cohesion to live life the way you want?
If not, everything else is irrelevant.

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Thursday, November 4, 2021 11:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm a man without any history. I'm a European Mutt. Western and Eastern. I know nothing of the history of the countries they came from except for stereotypes and whatever they taught us in the world history books that are always rewritten and changed every 5 or 10 years here in America, so that means about nothing.

The only thing I know is that my Grandmother caught hell in school during WWII for her German last name, which I won't post here, and she's afraid that we were related since her parents would never talk about it.



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Thursday, December 30, 2021 12:52 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


The Native Americans and Germans had conects. There was interesting contact between Lowlands Germanic speakers, the Dutch went its own way to the America's with new influences from English and Frisian and to a lesser extent modern French. Native Americans began influencing European and German ideas, when it was already going through peroids of industrializarion and pollution and gave Native attitudes towards environmentalism, literature, art, historical reenactment, and German theatrical and film depictions of Indigenous Americans, the term, 'Indianthusiasm' was used for this phenomenon.

The descendants of the founders of New Braunfels and Fredericksburg in Texas claim that their peace treaty with the local natives was always just, the Meusebach–Comanche Treaty of 1847, has never been broken. German-speaking immigrants to Wisconsin came from diverse parts of Central Europe. On arriving in Wisconsin, mainly during the nineteenth century, these new US immigrants from Germanic parts of Europe might have been Germanic or Jewish or Ducth immigrants, they typically identified with their particular linguistic and cultural region, like Pomerania, Hesse, or Bavaria, rather than with “Germany,” which did not exist as a unified country until 1871, Brazil, Paraguay and Bolivia have dialects of Lower Region German Recognised minority language. Unlike Dutch, German, and southern Low German, the northern dialects form the participle without the prefix, like the Scandinavian languages, Frisian and English, Yiddish is actually a Germanic family of Jewish language while Hebrew is a revived language that almost went extinct in Israel, it is of a seperate semitic language family, the Highland German or Hochdeutsch became today's Standard German, but Lower lands German still survives, a part of it survives in the Amish or Mennonite community . It is said they come from the Friesland region of modern Holland, the German and Dutch-speaking parts of central Europe the Germanic term is Taufer or Wiedertaufer also called "Again-Baptists" or "Anabaptists" using the Greek word for again 'ana'. During the war the German government was aware of the Indian communications specialists' abilities and sent their agents tried to use anthropologists as spies on reservations to subvert the cultures of some Indian tribes and learn their languages. Before the war a guy named Karl May wrote a lot on the advendures and fictional travels across Asia, the Middle East and North America, he often featured the Native American and his books sold millions in copies.

In Germany there is a singer actor called Willy Michl, I don't know if he has Native heritage but he is a German singer-songwriter. The singer is known nationwide as Bluesbard and Isarindian, he also goers by the spiritual stage name Sound of Thunder, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0585224/ he has an acting profile, I wonder if this Germany guy 'Willy' this Bavarian Blues Singer if he truly did have Native Heritage or was it just some stage role he played? Some political people might accuse 'Cultural Appropriation' or some other thing? just a Native American Indian fantasy and a German fictional view of 'Wild West' or did they record some reality in their fictions?
https://windspeaker.com/drew-hayden-taylor/seeking-aboriginal-experien
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