Why don't guys help women anymore? by 6IXSTRINGJACK

I've helped somebody who needed it. Back when I was young and dumb and didn't bother questioning why a rich girl I barely knew had a bunch of drug dealers from Markham in their house before asking them to leave when she answered the door crying and begging me to help her.

Instead of getting to party that night, I got to have a catheter stuck up my nose and down my throat, with another one stuck up my dick hole before the cut open my belly to dump a saline IV into my innards before throwing it on the fucking ground to see if I was bleeding internally.

That's what happens after you get sucker punched and beat within an inch of your life while you're down by four guys so bad that it took 10 minutes to even realize that you were shanked during the process.

That's what men used to do before they became soy-boy white knights cucks like you on Twitter and before women became whatever the hell women today are.

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 2:57 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've helped somebody who needed it. Back when I was young and dumb and didn't bother questioning why a rich girl I barely knew had a bunch of drug dealers from Markham in their house before asking them to leave when she answered the door crying and begging me to help her.

Instead of getting to party that night, I got to have a catheter stuck up my nose and down my throat, with another one stuck up my dick hole before the cut open my belly to dump a saline IV into my innards before throwing it on the fucking ground to see if I was bleeding internally.

That's what happens after you get sucker punched and beat within an inch of your life while you're down by four guys so bad that it took 10 minutes to even realize that you were shanked during the process.

That's what men used to do before they became soy-boy white knights cucks like you on Twitter and before women became whatever the hell women today are.

6ix, tell a psychiatrist about your post-traumatic stress disorder. Knowing how you talk too much, you pissed off the assailants and they beat you. Obviously, you learned many wrong lessons which have plagued you. The right lesson is to talk less.

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 2:59 PM

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Maybe it's the alternator that's dead in one vehicle and it's running off the current being generated by the other?

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 3:39 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe it's the alternator that's dead in one vehicle and it's running off the current being generated by the other?

Nah. Both vehicles were running fine. They said late in the video that they were trying to fix the A/C in one of the vehicles (her dad was a mechanic and she knows what she's doing), and in the middle of the video at one point one of them is saying that there's still no cold air.

That's extremely dangerous to be driving around with two cars tethered together with jumper cables. Especially walking them like dogs like the one girl was.

One battery can't possibly kill you, which might come as a surprise if you've ever seen the violent sparks that fly out if you touch the connectors together. But would you get enough voltage to kill you if you have two completely operational and fully charged batteries running in series if they hooked them up wrong? (Not positive to positive and negative to negative, but the opposite on each car). Short of that, enough to harm you? Maybe it is. Do they even know not to hook up the batteries in series or what that even means? I don't know the answers to any of these questions.

Intelligent people who don't have a death wish don't need to know the answers to these questions. Yanno... the type of people who wouldn't point a gun to their head and pull the trigger to see if the gun they found stored away was loaded.

Electricity is nothing to play with, especially if you don't have a clue what you're doing. You should always err on the side of caution, and driving two operational vehicles with fully charged batteries down the street with one person walking them like dogs is not erring on the side of caution.

One of those cables could easily snap loose in those conditions, touch the opposite one that is still engaged and make the battery explode, possibly spraying battery acid all over the person walking the dogs.

WARNING: The following video is not for the feint of heart. You will also need to be signed into youtube to watch it since it's age-gated (not that there is anything about having a youtube account that ensures age, but whatever....)

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 3:48 PM

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6ix, tell a psychiatrist about your post-traumatic stress disorder. Knowing how you talk too much, you pissed off the assailants and they beat you. Obviously, you learned many wrong lessons which have plagued you. The right lesson is to talk less.

This isn't about me, dickless.

It's about man-hating feminist harpies and the youngest two generations backing out of marriage because of them.

Just look at the stats. Only the most simple minded and/or masochistic males in Western culture today have any desire to get married anymore.

Not only isn't there any ROI, but it's a net negative upfront with the very good potential for catastrophic negatives on the back end.

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:19 PM

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Because there's ZERO ROI.

This is pretty hilarious.

How do you think her dad appreciates having her declare to the world that he is the most retarded and incompetent mechanic for hundreds of miles in every direction?

This mouthy girl has so many levels of retardation, either she might have set a record, or she is merely a feminist.

And then, with 3 other bimbos working with her to even greater level of retardation, one wonders if the calculation of stupidity is merely multiplied by 4, or exponentially fourthed.

She knows what she is doing. Using a jumper cable like reins, to guide the horseless carriages into the 2 oncoming lanes of the public highway - or maybe just using it to tow the vehicles to a faster speed, like a tow strap.

Having some fictitious boyfriend, who is apparently too stupid for her to consult when she obviously has no clue.

She wanted them to stop recording, likely so they would not be the featured video on "America's Stupidest Bimbos"

To be fair, the guys are not being very logical. They claim the battery is obviously working, when there is no evidence or indication that this is a fact. They also call the idiot bimbos "girls" - which is surely not the way to endear themselves.

....and women make fun of "mansplaining"....

EVERYBODY KNOWS that the only way to get the air conditioning to work is to top off the Blinker Fluid level, and to adjust the tensioner for the Muffler Belt.

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:29 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe it's the alternator that's dead in one vehicle and it's running off the current being generated by the other?

Let us consider the validity of this concept.

The 4 bimbos said they were trying to fix the air conditioning in one vehicle - apparently the car, which seems to be a Subaru, not an electric vehicle that I can tell. The truck is a Ford, also not apparently an electric vehicle.

Are you suggesting that the air conditioning runs off of the alternator? If the alternator is dead on one vehicle, will that prevent the air conditioning from working?

Even disregarding the air conditioning, what do you think the purpose of the alternator is? Will a dead alternator prevent one vehicle from running?

What is the purpose of towing the vehicles into the roadway by pulling them along with the jumper cables? Does moving vehicles make the electricity flow faster? Does electricity accelerate when the vehicle is moving?

The bimbos in the video also clearly state that the vehicle with the inoperative air conditioning does not have cool air venting out, even when they are tethered and moving in the roadway. Both vehicles seem to have internal combustion engines, and each is running.

What do you think are the requirements for an air conditioning system to function, in a "motor vehicle" (meaning with an engine)?

What do you think is the purpose, use, and function of jumper cables? Do you think they are being properly used in this example?

BTW, 500 Cold Cranking Amps is certainly enough to kill almost any human being. If you look at the battery post-to-clamp mating, you will see a cross section of either an inch diameter of conductor (side mount), or (TOP POST) about a 1/2 inch vertical x (pi x 1/2 inch diameter) 1 1/2 inch horizontal of rectangular conductor. How often do you see a 1 inch diameter electrical cable that does not have enough juice to kill you?

Also, arcing and sparking on a battery post, or on or near any battery, can cause a battery explosion - and that can kill you easily. I once watched a guy blind himself with one, and that was because he was partially protected by the hood stopping the splatter.

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 8:02 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
6ix, tell a psychiatrist about your post-traumatic stress disorder. Knowing how you talk too much, you pissed off the assailants and they beat you. Obviously, you learned many wrong lessons which have plagued you. The right lesson is to talk less.

This isn't about me, dickless.

It's about man-hating feminist harpies and the youngest two generations backing out of marriage because of them.

Just look at the stats. Only the most simple minded and/or masochistic males in Western culture today have any desire to get married anymore.

Not only isn't there any ROI, but it's a net negative upfront with the very good potential for catastrophic negatives on the back end.

6ix, it is about you. May I quote what you wrote?

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"...girls wouldn't grow up to be entitled little man-hating bitches and men wouldn't be going their own way.

You'd better start practicing your situational awareness skills while you're out and about, Jill. Because it seems that the guys who don't routinely engage in raping women (SEE: ALMOST EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM) aren't going to endanger their own lives for your man-hating benefit if you get yourself into trouble, and the cops aren't going to come either because you had them defunded."

Between 6ix posting video of violent deaths and dreaming of raping "sh(r)ill feminist bitch Jill Filipovic" this discussion is getting unenlightened.

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
6ix, tell a psychiatrist about your post-traumatic stress disorder. Knowing how you talk too much, you pissed off the assailants and they beat you. Obviously, you learned many wrong lessons which have plagued you. The right lesson is to talk less.

This isn't about me, dickless.

It's about man-hating feminist harpies and the youngest two generations backing out of marriage because of them.

Just look at the stats. Only the most simple minded and/or masochistic males in Western culture today have any desire to get married anymore.

Not only isn't there any ROI, but it's a net negative upfront with the very good potential for catastrophic negatives on the back end.
6ix, it is about you. May I quote what you wrote?
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"...girls wouldn't grow up to be entitled little man-hating bitches and men wouldn't be going their own way.

You'd better start practicing your situational awareness skills while you're out and about, Jill. Because it seems that the guys who don't routinely engage in raping women (SEE: ALMOST EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM) aren't going to endanger their own lives for your man-hating benefit if you get yourself into trouble, and the cops aren't going to come either because you had them defunded."
Between 6ix posting video of violent deaths and dreaming of raping "sh(r)ill feminist bitch Jill Filipovic" this discussion is getting unenlightened.

This is you projecting your own sick fantasies onto what other people have said, because there is no way any rational person could read that sentence and come up with the conclusion that you have.

So how many women have you raped then, Second?

Is that what you've been hiding from everyone all along?

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
One battery can't possibly kill you, which might come as a surprise if you've ever seen the violent sparks that fly out if you touch the connectors together. But would you get enough voltage to kill you if you have two completely operational and fully charged batteries running in series if they hooked them up wrong?

Just out of curiosity, the answer I found most often is about 40V DC. Here's one source that says the maximum is 60VDC. https://www.ecma-international.org/publications-and-standards/standard
s/ecma-287/ (Two car batteries in series generate 24VDC.)

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:23 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNYM:
Maybe it's the alternator that's dead in one vehicle and it's running off the current being generated by the other?

SIX: Nah. Both vehicles were running fine. They said late in the video that they were trying to fix the A/C in one of the vehicles (her dad was a mechanic and she knows what she's doing), and in the middle of the video at one point one of them is saying that there's still no cold air.

I didn't watch that far. I assumed that one vehicle wasn't running, originally.

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That's extremely dangerous to be driving around with two cars tethered together with jumper cables. Especially walking them like dogs like the one girl was.

One battery can't possibly kill you, which might come as a surprise if you've ever seen the violent sparks that fly out if you touch the connectors together. But would you get enough voltage to kill you if you have two completely operational and fully charged batteries running in series if they hooked them up wrong? (Not positive to positive and negative to negative, but the opposite on each car). Short of that, enough to harm you? Maybe it is. Do they even know not to hook up the batteries in series or what that even means? I don't know the answers to any of these questions.

Two batteries in series is 24 volts. Supposedly, 24 volts can't kill you bc skin too much resistance (unless maybe your hads are wet). The wisdom of the internet says 50 volts on dry skin is the danger point. In any case, in order to be electrocuted the current has to have somewhere to go (circuit needs to be completed): either in one hand and out the other, or from hand to ground. Unless she's standing in water it's unlikely that the current will find a pathway thu her body.

Not "extremely dangerous" but admittedly a stupid-looking thing to do.

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Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:34 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNYM:
Maybe it's the alternator that's dead in one vehicle and it's running off the current being generated by the other?

JSF: Let us consider the validity of this concept.

The 4 bimbos said they were trying to fix the air conditioning in one vehicle -

I didn't hear that. I started the video w/o sound and only watched halfway thru.

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apparently the car, which seems to be a Subaru, not an electric vehicle that I can tell. The truck is a Ford, also not apparently an electric vehicle.

Are you suggesting that the air conditioning runs off of the alternator?

No.I know the basics of how engines work: The compressor runs off a belt. The FANS run off electricity.

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If the alternator is dead on one vehicle, will that prevent the air conditioning from working?

Even disregarding the air conditioning, what do you think the purpose of the alternator is? Will a dead alternator prevent one vehicle from running?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Here, let me 'splain it to you:

A running car runs off the alternator, because it is the alternator that generates the spark that causes gasoline to ingite, via the sparkplug.

Without the alternator, your car will be running off the battery. So once the battery runs down, your car will be DOA, since the other function of the alternator is to charge the battery.

The battery is only supposed to be used to START the car. Once the engine is running, it runs off the alternator.

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What is the purpose of towing the vehicles into the roadway by pulling them along with the jumper cables? Does moving vehicles make the electricity flow faster? Does electricity accelerate when the vehicle is moving?

IF one vehicle has both a alternator AND a dead battery (bc the battery ran down bc the alternator couldn't charge it) then the ONLY way to get the vehicle to move is to provide a continous source of electricty: either get a new battery and run THAT down whie you attempt to drive to the nearest repair station, or ...

But since supposedly the purpose of this exercise is to fix the A/C, then ...

you got me. I have no idea what they were hoping to do!

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Friday, October 22, 2021 12:00 AM

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SIGNYM:
Maybe it's the alternator that's dead in one vehicle and it's running off the current being generated by the other?

SIX: Nah. Both vehicles were running fine. They said late in the video that they were trying to fix the A/C in one of the vehicles (her dad was a mechanic and she knows what she's doing), and in the middle of the video at one point one of them is saying that there's still no cold air.
I didn't watch that far. I assumed that one vehicle wasn't running, originally.

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That's extremely dangerous to be driving around with two cars tethered together with jumper cables. Especially walking them like dogs like the one girl was.

One battery can't possibly kill you, which might come as a surprise if you've ever seen the violent sparks that fly out if you touch the connectors together. But would you get enough voltage to kill you if you have two completely operational and fully charged batteries running in series if they hooked them up wrong? (Not positive to positive and negative to negative, but the opposite on each car). Short of that, enough to harm you? Maybe it is. Do they even know not to hook up the batteries in series or what that even means? I don't know the answers to any of these questions.
Two batteries in series is 24 volts. Supposedly, 24 volts can't kill you bc skin too much resistance (unless maybe your hads are wet). The wisdom of the internet says 50 volts on dry skin is the danger point. In any case, in order to be electrocuted the current has to have somewhere to go (circuit needs to be completed): either in one hand and out the other, or from hand to ground. Unless she's standing in water it's unlikely that the current will find a pathway thu her body.

Not "extremely dangerous" but admittedly a stupid-looking thing to do.

When you don't know what you're doing, anything short of pluging a device into and pulling it out of an electrical socket or changing batteries on your kid's toys is the only thing you should be doing with electric.

If you read further into my post, you'd realize that doing what they were doing is extremely dangerous.

Under the "stupid-looking" conditions that they were exhibiting, it would be extremely plausible for one of the alligator connections to snap off of one of one terminal and bounce onto the other one, creating sparks, a fire and potentially making the car battery explode.

Don't believe me? Go out to your vehicle in the garage tomorrow morning with a wrench and touch it to both terminals and let us know how it went for you. (Don't do this.)

What these girls need is to have their mechanic daddy let them touch their fingers to a hot and neutral wire behind their plug outlet once. Not on a 220 outlet for a larger dryer, but on your standard 110 outlet. It won't come close to killing them, but it will make them respect electricity and they'll not do something stupid like this again.

ETA: So... It should be noted that the guy in the vehicle was also wrong by telling the girl she could be electrocuted. This much is true.

But he falls into the category of people who are intelligent enough to not fire a gun they find in their own face to find out if it's loaded.

Don't fuck with electricity if you don't know what you're doing. Many, many people have died or even worse from electrical accidents. And a good deal of those people were trained experts who did something foolish too.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 12:06 AM

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If the alternator is dead on one vehicle, will that prevent the air conditioning from working?

Even disregarding the air conditioning, what do you think the purpose of the alternator is? Will a dead alternator prevent one vehicle from running?
Abso-fucking-lutely.

Here, let me 'splain it to you:

A running car runs off the alternator, because it is the alternator that generates the spark that causes gasoline to ingite, via the sparkplug.

Without the alternator, your car will be running off the battery. So once the battery runs down, your car will be DOA, since the other function of the alternator is to charge the battery.

The battery is only supposed to be used to START the car. Once the engine is running, it runs off the alternator.

So what you meant to say was no. A dead alternator will not keep a car from running.

As long as there is a charge left, you can start the vehicle and drive it. (And use the A/C, incidentally)

Hell, there's even other means to charge the battery to get you where you need to go to have the alternator replaced. I just did so for my old man earlier this year on my step-mom's car by letting him borrow my trickle charger instead of paying to have the vehicle towed to the shop.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 1:50 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

You can only run a car with a dead alternator as long as the battery holds out. Certainly, not long-term.

But since the first sign of a dead alternator is usually a dead battery, I'd say you prolly couldn't even get it started, you'd need a jump start. (Which BTW I've done a zillion times, since I had an electrical fault in an old car that kept draining the battery until I pulled the relevant fuse.)

Or a push-start. But in order to push-start a car, you need a manual transmission: get the car rolling (preferably a little downhill) and pop the transmission from neutral into drive. By PHYSICALLY getting the engine to turn over, you get the alternator to generate enuf juice to make the spark to ignite the gas. It's like the old hand-cranked engines from way back when.

There are a zillion ways to get around a dead battery, including a "car battery jump starter" (which BTW I have).

But none of that will work if your alternator is dead.

BTW I know how to drive a stick shift. Do you?

Don't you know how engines work?

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Friday, October 22, 2021 2:06 AM

You said a car won't operate with a bad alternator.

That is false. I'm merely pointing out that that was false.

So you can stop changing the subject or making up reasons why you're right, because you're not right.

It's a dead battery that will keep the car from running.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 2:14 AM

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You said a car won't operate with a bad alternator.

That is false. I'm merely pointing out that that was false.

So you can stop changing the subject or making up reasons why you're right, because you're not right.

It's a dead battery that will keep the car from running.

But you can get around dead batteries in order to START a car running. I mentioned jump-starts and push-starts as ways to get around the dead-battery issue. What it won't do is STAY running if you have a dead alternator. Once you remove whatever source of charge you used to START the car, the engine will die.

Cars need electricity to run, for ignition.

The alternator is a generator for cars, right?

It's really a very simple concept.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 5:51 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I remember having a bad alternator (probably a bad diode or 2), and my car ran off the battery until one rainy cold night it instantly went completely dead. While waiting at an intersection to turn left, suddenly there were no lights, no wiper blades, no engine, no nothing. One instant it was running, the next it was dark and quiet and cold.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 9:13 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You said a car won't operate with a bad alternator.

That is false. I'm merely pointing out that that was false.

So you can stop changing the subject or making up reasons why you're right, because you're not right.

It's a dead battery that will keep the car from running.
But you can get around dead batteries in order to START a car running. I mentioned jump-starts and push-starts as ways to get around the dead-battery issue. What it won't do is STAY running if you have a dead alternator. Once you remove whatever source of charge you used to START the car, the engine will die.

Cars need electricity to run, for ignition.

The alternator is a generator for cars, right?

It's really a very simple concept.

Yes. It is an EXTREMELY simple concept.

NOBODY is arguing what an alternator is.

But you womansplained to JSF how a car won't operate without one, which is completely false.

In the context of this video, it will run long enough for one of these idiot girls to get themselves killed.

In fact, since both cars were already started and running and were hooked up together like that, even if one car battery was originally dead because of a bad alternator before jumping it, it's quite possible they would both operate once jumped until one of them ran out of gas or a battery exploded in a "freak" accident if both tanks were full and she wanted to walk both cars all day.

There is zero chance her mechanic dad told her to do this if he was a mechanic.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You can only run a car with a dead alternator as long as the battery holds out. Certainly, not long-term.

After editing your post, you got it right.

But as for...

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But since the first sign of a dead alternator is usually a dead battery, I'd say you prolly couldn't even get it started, you'd need a jump start.

Read Kiki's post right below your last one.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 9:48 AM

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I DIDN'T edit my post, that was my original explanation.

I can't help it if you can't/don't read carefully.

Also:

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even if one car battery was originally dead because of a bad alternator before jumping it, it's quite possible they would both operate once jumped until one of them ran out of gas

Only if you managed to stuff enuf electricity into the dead battery from the live one, because the alternator IS NOT CHARGING THE DEAD BATTERY, remember???

The dead battery was dead, and even tho the engine is running the battery is not being charged. So once you run out of the juice that you xfered directly from one battery to another... depending on how long you had the batteries directly connected to each other via the jumper cables ... that car will die, again.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 9:53 AM

Your word against mine, since fff.net doesn't show when people edit their threads.

But if fff was a modern website we'd see that "edited on" tag.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 10:02 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yep, we would, and you'd be wrong.

You have a proven history of carelessly reading other ppl's posts, and claiming that ppl posted things that they didn't.

Me? I freely admit I didn't watch much of the video and didn't listen to even more.

I would GLADLY do without your "help", SIX, if it came with that attitude. Especially since - even tho you know a lot -you don't know as much you think you do.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 7:16 PM

JSF asked you flat out if a busted alternator would keep you from operating a car.

You answered that yes, absolutely it would. No doubt about it. Then you talked down to him like he was a little kid.

You were 100% wrong. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You don't get to do that and then walk it back in subsequent posts and keep pretending that you were still right all along.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 7:57 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"JSF asked you flat out if a busted alternator would keep you from operating a car."

Your car would run for as long as the battery lasted. After that, it'd be deader than a doornail, and it wouldn't matter how many times you'd jump-start or push-start the car. The alternator would still not be working and providing electricity, the started car would still not be charging the battery so the battery would still be completely drained, and you'd still have no spark to the spark plugs either from the non-working alternator or from the deader than a doornail battery.

Once the battery is drained, a car with a non-working alternator will not run - at all.

That seems pretty simple to understand to me.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 8:15 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

"JSF asked you flat out if a busted alternator would keep you from operating a car."

Your car would run for as long as the battery lasted. After that, it'd be deader than a doornail, and it wouldn't matter how many times you'd jump-start or push-start the car. The alternator would still not be working and providing electricity, the started car would still not be charging the battery so the battery would still be completely drained, and you'd still have no spark to the spark plugs either from the non-working alternator or from the deader than a doornail battery.

Once the battery is drained, a car with a non-working alternator will not run - at all.

Incorrect.

You can recharge a battery outside of an alternator.

It's not something that makes any sense to do outside a single time to drive your car somewhere to get the alternator replaced, but when a battery is completely drained it's not as if it can't be charged up again.

Sigs was wrong when she said that a car without an alternator was inoperable. Period.

And certainly in the context of what was going on in the video her input was pointless.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 9:39 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yanno SIX, it just pisses me off no end that - in order to preserve your fragile ego and "prove" me "wrong"- you have to LIE about what I posted.

I very clearly posted, MORE THAN ONCE, that if there is anything left in the battery you can run on the battery.

Everyone can read what I posted, and you only look like a dickwad when you lie.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 9:51 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Here, SIX, to refresh your addled memory is what I posted to JSF:

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without the alternator, your car will be running off the battery. So once the battery runs down, your car will be DOA, since the other function of the alternator is to charge the battery.

. Emphasis added because you OBVIOUSLY missed my point when I made it three or four times.

OBVIOUSLY you can run on the battery, that's how you start a car, right? And OBVIOUSLY you can recharge a battery outside of the car, stick it in the car, and limp along to a repair shop.

But then you'd have a battery-powered car, not a properly operating one, and one that won't run very long.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 11:28 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You can recharge a battery outside of an alternator.

But you'd better not try to sell that car as a running car unless you plan to be out of town for a good long while and leave no forwarding address.

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Friday, October 22, 2021 11:48 PM

JSF: Even disregarding the air conditioning, what do you think the purpose of the alternator is? Will a dead alternator prevent one vehicle from running?

YOU: Abso-fucking-lutely.

Nuff said.

I'm done arguing with you about this dummy.

Shut the fuck up already.

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Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:02 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
JSF: Even disregarding the air conditioning, what do you think the purpose of the alternator is? Will a dead alternator prevent one vehicle from running?

YOU: Abso-fucking-lutely.

Nuff said.

Yep. you wamt to IGNORE everything else I said because it would show you to be
a) wrong
b) a liar

STFU yourself.

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Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:05 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno SIX, it just pisses me off no end that - in order to preserve your fragile ego and "prove" me "wrong"- you have to LIE about what I posted.

I very clearly posted, MORE THAN ONCE, that if there is anything left in the battery you can run on the battery.

Everyone can read what I posted, and you only look like a dickwad when you lie.

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Kinda' like how he insisted I was terrified of COVID-19, because god forbid I post about an rwe, and that I was pro-government control over everything- even tho I never posted anything remotely either of those.

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Saturday, October 23, 2021 11:21 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yes, SIX LIES about what you post, too. Egregiously so. Usually when he gets on the wrong end of an argument and can't admit it.

But then, anyone who can insist that "Nobody ever died of Covid" isn't really all there, since he lies to himself too.

I should just remind myself that SIX can't help being the way he is. But, as usual, I like to try and find reasons why people say some of the things they say, and in SIX's case, given how he has a history of self-medicating, I'd say he has a touch of whatever ailed his mom. Prolly bipolar, and he needs to stay on the manic side, bc if anything punctured his bubble he'd sink into a pit of despair.

Somebody should tell him they have good drugs for that now.

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Sunday, October 24, 2021 4:11 PM

I will try to reply to many inaccurate posts in this thread. If you are afraid of constructive correction, then please stop reading this post and jump to the next post.

Regarding the "changed post" of Sigs which 6ix referred to, I also saw the changed post - I cannot confirm it was the exact same post that 6ix saw. The first time I saw that post, it only had a couple sentences, and what was posted was wrong. Some time later, what I saw was much larger, like with more paragraphs and quotes. I mentally disregarded this as part of the posting/editing process required on this site, to avoid the site deleting the post or logging off after a long time crafting a post. When this happens, I generally ignore the initial version of the post, as it has not really been completed yet.
This is, in fact, what I am doing with this very post. Partially because I suspect that I will not be able to complete it in time today.

One point which is confusing, both to the unknowing, and also to experienced mechanics/engineers, when trying to communicate, is the use of imprecise terms. For the explanations of this post, let us use these:
Fully charged battery: slang term may be "good battery"
Discharged battery, fully capable of being recharged and lasting another 10 years: slang term may be dead battery.
Unchargeable battery: incapable of being recharged and holding it's charge, this may include batteries able to be rejuvenated. Slang term may be dead battery.
Live Alternator: Alternator on a running engine, creating electrical power, with correct voltage and current.
Good Alternator: On a stopped engine, it would be Live if the engine was working.
Nonfunctioning Alternator: An alternator which is not able to produce electrical power of correct voltage, current while the engine is running. Could have missing or broken "fan belt" or loose, slipping belt, or a fault in the vehicle wiring external to the alternator.
Defective Alternator: An alternator which is incapable of producing electrical power, unless repaired or refurbished.

Let me start off by providing the correct answers to my initial queries:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe it's the alternator that's dead in one vehicle and it's running off the current being generated by the other?
Let us consider the validity of this concept.

The 4 bimbos said they were trying to fix the air conditioning in one vehicle - apparently the car, which seems to be a Subaru, not an electric vehicle that I can tell. The truck is a Ford, also not apparently an electric vehicle.

Are you suggesting that the air conditioning runs off of the alternator?

no would be the correct answer. Some A/C systems can run purely off of electrical power, but these vehicles are not those. The A/C on these need only a running engine to turn the pulley, and electrical power to engage the clutch - electrical power supplied by either the alternator or battery. And both of these vehicles were running.
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If the alternator is dead on one vehicle, will that prevent the air conditioning from working?
Both of these vehicles had running engines. Having a nonfunctioning alternator would not prevent the A/C from running.
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Even disregarding the air conditioning, what do you think the purpose of the alternator is?
The purpose of the alternator is to produce electrical power, first to charge the battery, and second to power the electrical and electronic components of the vehicle.
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Will a dead alternator prevent one vehicle from running?
No. A nonfunctioning alternator will not prevent and engine from running. Not even with a flat tire, or a blown headlight, or a blower fan fuse.
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What is the purpose of towing the vehicles into the roadway by pulling them along with the jumper cables?
To prove that the 4 bimbos really are stupid and incompetent.
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Does moving vehicles make the electricity flow faster?
No. The speed of electricity is e, the speed of light. So you might claim that some of the wires on these vehicles are e + 2mph, and some are e - 2mph.
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Does electricity accelerate when the vehicle is moving?
No.
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The bimbos in the video also clearly state that the vehicle with the inoperative air conditioning does not have cool air venting out, even when they are tethered and moving in the roadway. Both vehicles seem to have internal combustion engines, and each is running.

What do you think are the requirements for an air conditioning system to function, in a "motor vehicle" (meaning with an engine)?
The drive pulley on the compressor needs to be turning (the engine is running), and the clutch must have electrical power supplied (from alternator or battery, plus "engine running" state) to be able to engage the clutch.
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What do you think is the purpose, use, and function of jumper cables?
When properly applied and utilized, the purpose is to connect the working and running alternator of one vehicle to the discharged battery of another vehicle. The function is to allow the Live alternator to charge up the discharged battery.
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Do you think they are being properly used in this example?
No. Both engines are running, which would only serve to discharge the already discharged battery - if there actually was anything wrong besides the stated non-working A/C. Jumper cables have no use in repairing or troubleshooting a nonfunctioning A/C.

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BTW, 500 Cold Cranking Amps is certainly enough to kill almost any human being. If you look at the battery post-to-clamp mating, you will see a cross section of either an inch diameter of conductor (side mount), or (TOP POST) about a 1/2 inch vertical x (pi x 1/2 inch diameter) 1 1/2 inch horizontal of rectangular conductor. How often do you see a 1 inch diameter electrical cable that does not have enough juice to kill you?

Also, arcing and sparking on a battery post, or on or near any battery, can cause a battery explosion - and that can kill you easily. I once watched a guy blind himself with one, and that was because he was partially protected by the hood stopping the splatter.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
One battery can't possibly kill you, which might come as a surprise if you've ever seen the violent sparks that fly out if you touch the connectors together. But would you get enough voltage to kill you if you have two completely operational and fully charged batteries running in series if they hooked them up wrong?
Just out of curiosity, the answer I found most often is about 40V DC. Here's one source that says the maximum is 60VDC. https://www.ecma-international.org/publications-and-standards/standard
s/ecma-287/ (Two car batteries in series generate 24VDC.)

The assumption is that human body resistance is high, so current cannot get high enough. I did find some internet references which state body resistance can be as low as 300 Ohms. Many Jumper Cable clamps have jagged teeth and a lot of pinching force. This can cause a break in the skin, leaking blood. Blood is mostly water, as even the solid whole body is more than 90% water IIRC. Holding one clamp with a leaking hand, while the other hand leans against something under the hood, like a bare metal bolt with slivers sticking out to also puncture the skin, can produce resistance through the bloodstream, through the heart, which is far less than the resistance of skin.
One fully charged battery has 12 volts. Divided by 300 Ohms is 0.04 Amps. Note that 0.01 amps is enough to contract muscle, so that you cannot let go of the conductor - and this often throws out the calculation for "shock" or "momentary amp" because the current duration will be sustained - batteries do not have fuses to break the circuit.
A battery with a running and working alternator has 14.4 volts. Divided by 300 Ohms = 0.048 Amps.
It is generally agreed that under 0.1 Amps is non-lethal.
It is generally agreed that over 0.2 Amps can be possibly non-lethal, as long as somebody is present and knowledgeable to restart your heart. Because more than 0.2 Amps will clamp down your heart muscles solid, stopping them from moving or pumping.
In the range from 0.1 - 0.2 Amps is considered lethal because in this range the amperage interferes with the normal heart rhythm signals, causing defibrillation.
2 Batteries connected in series with no working alternator would be 24 volts. Divided by 300 Ohms = 0.08 Amps.
2 batteries connected in series with 2 working alternators (exactly what was shown in the video of the 4 bimbos who had no clue) would be 24.8 volts. Divided by 300 Ohms = 0.096 Amps.
That is fairly close to 0.1 Amps. Risking that close to the defined range for lethal Amps is one thing.
But one of the failures of electrical systems on vehicles, whether generator or alternator, is "overcharging" or failure of the regulator, either voltage or current regulator. These can show the gauge needle bouncing in the dash panel, and can easily exceed 16 volts. Working 14.4 volts on one battery and unregulated 15.6 volts, jumped in series, is 30.0 volts. Divided by 300 Ohms = 0.1 Amps.
Maybe you would survive what these bimbos were doing, but it does seem risky. If one of the 4 bimbos was in fact a medical professional, I would imagine they would have been smart enough to not work on things they have no clue about - despite having a retarded mechanic as relative as well as an incompetent or fictional boyfriend who was so moronic that the lead bimbo could not call to consult with him.

The interwebs have gobs of bad information to sort through, so here is one reference to reduce your searching:
https://www.enkiverywell.com/how-many-amps-can-kill-you.html

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Your skin resists the current, but wet skin is 100 times less resistance as compared to dry skin. It is for this reason that dropping an electrical appliance of 12 volts can kill you, whereas grabbing an appliance of 12 volts with dry hands may not cause any serious damage.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SIGNYM:
Maybe it's the alternator that's dead in one vehicle and it's running off the current being generated by the other?

JSF: Let us consider the validity of this concept.

The 4 bimbos said they were trying to fix the air conditioning in one vehicle -
I didn't hear that. I started the video w/o sound and only watched halfway thru.

maybe you are taking after 6ix, only commenting on films and TV shows which he has not seen, will never see
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apparently the car, which seems to be a Subaru, not an electric vehicle that I can tell. The truck is a Ford, also not apparently an electric vehicle.

Are you suggesting that the air conditioning runs off of the alternator?
No.I know the basics of how engines work: The compressor runs off a belt. The FANS run off electricity.
The compressor shaft spins when the belt on the pulley pulls it around, when the engine is running. The compressor is engaged when the clutch is activated, with electrical power. The ventilation fans are also driven by electrical power. Electrical power for both (the compressor clutch and the blower fans) can be supplied by a working alternator. If the engine is running and the alternator is not working, the electrical power for both the compressor clutch and the ventilation "blower" fans can be provided by the battery.
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If the alternator is dead on one vehicle, will that prevent the air conditioning from working?

Even disregarding the air conditioning, what do you think the purpose of the alternator is? Will a dead alternator prevent one vehicle from running?
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Since both vehicles in the video posted in the OP of this thread are both running, and you posited that the alternator was not working, this is an incorrect answer. A dead alternator will not prevent an engine from running. A dead alternator plus a flat tire will not prevent an engine from running. A dead alternator plus a blown headlight will not prevent an engine from running. A dead alternator plus a bad blower fan fuse will not prevent an engine from running.
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Here, let me 'splain it to you:

A running car runs off the alternator, because it is the alternator that generates the spark that causes gasoline to ingite, via the sparkplug.
Not exactly. The alternator produces electrical power. The ignition module (or condenser) generates the spark, using electrical power. When the alternator is not running or working, like at start-up, the electrical power is supplied by the battery. When the ignition switch, or Key switch, is in "Accessories" or "Start/Ignition" position, then the power is drawn from the battery. When the Key Switch is in the "Run" or "On" position, the alternator is also in the circuit, and, if working, is charging the battery.

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Without the alternator, your car will be running off the battery. So once the battery runs down, your car will be DOA,
Since both vehicles in the referenced video are running and driving, this does not apply. The direct reply to the question is that a bad alternator alone will not prevent the engine from running.

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since the other function of the alternator is to charge the battery.

The battery is only supposed to be used to START the car. Once the engine is running, it runs off the alternator.

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What is the purpose of towing the vehicles into the roadway by pulling them along with the jumper cables? Does moving vehicles make the electricity flow faster? Does electricity accelerate when the vehicle is moving?
IF one vehicle has both a alternator AND a dead battery (bc the battery ran down bc the alternator couldn't charge it) then the ONLY way to get the vehicle to move is to provide a continous source of electricty: either get a new battery and run THAT down whie you attempt to drive to the nearest repair station, or ...

But since supposedly the purpose of this exercise is to fix the A/C, then ...

you got me. I have no idea what they were hoping to do!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You can only run a car with a dead alternator as long as the battery holds out. Certainly, not long-term.

But since the first sign of a dead alternator is usually a dead battery,

A dead battery is one of the LAST signs of a bad alternator. A fully charged battery can provide power to a running engine for several days - particularly if only in daytime, not running A/C or fans, other heavy power draw accessories. Probably the first sign is the Voltmeter, amp gauge, or other electrical gauge on your dash giving a different reading - or the Idiot Light, which might feature the icon\symbol of a battery. The next might be lackluster airflow from your vent fans, dim headlights, crackling in your radio. Sometimes a screaming or flapping noise from your fan belt because it is too loose.
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I'd say you prolly couldn't even get it started,
This is usually after a few days without the alternator working
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you'd need a jump start. (Which BTW I've done a zillion times, since I had an electrical fault in an old car that kept draining the battery until I pulled the relevant fuse.)

Or a push-start. But in order to push-start a car, you need a manual transmission: get the car rolling (preferably a little downhill) and pop the transmission from neutral into drive. By PHYSICALLY getting the engine to turn over, you get the alternator to generate enuf juice to make the spark to ignite the gas.
Not quite. Unless you are able to get the ignition system running without turning the key to "Run" or "Start". Normally you need to turn the key to that position, which is solely using battery power. Because the engine is physically rotating, the residual power in the battery (which was not enough to turn over the starter motor) will provide adequate electricity for only handling the ignition sequence. I have never seen a gasoline engine which can be push started without a battery present.
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It's like the old hand-cranked engines from way back when.

There are a zillion ways to get around a dead battery, including a "car battery jump starter" (which BTW I have).

But none of that will work if your alternator is dead.
You already mentioned jump starting. If you know the correct way to jump start a dead battery, which is to connect a running engine to a non-running engine, in order to use the working alternator to charge the discharged battery, then you can let your discharged battery charge for a bit, with no harm. You can do a crossword or suduko puzzle while the idling engine provides the charge - usually at a rate of 1/16 tank of gas per hour. After a few hours of charging, the battery will get enough charge to run for a few days.
You can also use a battery charger. Preferably at the quick charge setting (10-20 Amps), not the trickle charge (couple of Amps). And do not use the Battery Starter setting (50 Amp) when just charging the battery - a "friend" of mine recently destroyed my battery by doing this, which I had told him not to do.
Also, a Battery Jump Pack, which you can leave connected once the engine is started, secure it in some way, and lower the hood without latching completely, so you can drive slow, even faster than the crawl that these 4 bimbos were practicing - but not fast enough for the wind to catch the hood, or flutter it. This can get you to a friend's house/garage, or to a repair place.
Also, swapping out the discharged battery with a spare battery.

Other options include just making a repair like tightening the fan belt for the alternator, so it can return to working status again. Or removing the alternator and taking it down the the parts store for a free test and evaluation, to see if it needs replacement. Or getting a used alternator from the salvage yard (about half price of new).

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BTW I know how to drive a stick shift. Do you?
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? I can go for years without remembering that some people do not know how to drive stick, however I am constantly reminded that many drivers do not know how to drive.

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Don't you know how engines work?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You said a car won't operate with a bad alternator.

That is false. I'm merely pointing out that that was false.

So you can stop changing the subject or making up reasons why you're right, because you're not right.

It's a dead battery that will keep the car from running.

Well, a dead battery alone will not keep any otherwise working vehicle from running. Not even a dead battery plus a flat tire, or a dead battery plus a blown headlight. A dead battery plus a non-working alternator would keep an engine from running, without external electrical power. Which is likely what you meant.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You said a car won't operate with a bad alternator.

That is false. I'm merely pointing out that that was false.

So you can stop changing the subject or making up reasons why you're right, because you're not right.

It's a dead battery that will keep the car from running.
But you can get around dead batteries in order to START a car running. I mentioned jump-starts and push-starts as ways to get around the dead-battery issue. What it won't do is STAY running if you have a dead alternator. Once you remove whatever source of charge you used to START the car, the engine will die.

Cars need electricity to run, for ignition.

The alternator is a generator for cars, right?

It's really a very simple concept.

A generator can produce electrical energy in a car wired for a generator. A generator produces Direct Current, and also needs other components: A "regulator" which must include a voltage regulator, a current regulator, and points.
An alternator can produce electrical energy in a car wired for an alternator. An alternator produces 3-phase Alternating Current, and needs rectifying diodes, plus a "regulator" which does not include a current regulator. In more modern vehicles, all of the associated components which must accompany an alternator are often included within one unit, referred to as "the alternator" for simplicity.
A generator is not compatible with an alternator, one cannot be replaced with the other, unless the vehicle is rewired and components changed in a conversion.

Here is Sigs trying to get away with a highly selective, out-of-context partial quote:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also:
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even if one car battery was originally dead because of a bad alternator before jumping it, it's quite possible they would both operate once jumped until one of them ran out of gas
Only if you managed to stuff enuf electricity into the dead battery from the live one, because the alternator IS NOT CHARGING THE DEAD BATTERY, remember???

The dead battery was dead, and even tho the engine is running the battery is not being charged. So once you run out of the juice that you xfered directly from one battery to another... depending on how long you had the batteries directly connected to each other via the jumper cables ... that car will die, again.

Here is the actual, in-context, complete quote, which Sigs parsed from:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You said a car won't operate with a bad alternator.

That is false. I'm merely pointing out that that was false.

So you can stop changing the subject or making up reasons why you're right, because you're not right.

It's a dead battery that will keep the car from running.
But you can get around dead batteries in order to START a car running. I mentioned jump-starts and push-starts as ways to get around the dead-battery issue. What it won't do is STAY running if you have a dead alternator. Once you remove whatever source of charge you used to START the car, the engine will die.

Cars need electricity to run, for ignition.

The alternator is a generator for cars, right?

It's really a very simple concept.
Yes. It is an EXTREMELY simple concept.

NOBODY is arguing what an alternator is.

But you womansplained to JSF how a car won't operate without one, which is completely false.

In the context of this video, it will run long enough for one of these idiot girls to get themselves killed.

In fact, since both cars were already started and running and were hooked up together like that, even if one car battery was originally dead because of a bad alternator before jumping it, it's quite possible they would both operate once jumped until one of them ran out of gas or a battery exploded in a "freak" accident if both tanks were full and she wanted to walk both cars all day.

There is zero chance her mechanic dad told her to do this if he was a mechanic.

And Sig's strawman reply:

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Only if you managed to stuff enuf electricity into the dead battery from the live one, because the alternator IS NOT CHARGING THE DEAD BATTERY, remember???

Wrong. The video clearly shows that the two vehicles are connected via jumper cables. So if one of the alternators was bad, then the other alternator is working, and charging up the discharged battery (both batteries) - which could have been done while standing still, stationary. This shows that 6ix's statement was true, accurate, factual.

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The dead battery was dead, and even tho the engine is running the battery is not being charged.

still wrong. The video still shows that the 2 vehicles are connected, and both running, so any discharged battery was being charged by the connected working alternator.

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So once you run out of the juice that you xfered directly from one battery to another... depending on how long you had the batteries directly connected to each other via the jumper cables ... that car will die, again.

Still wrong in reference to the video that 6ix clearly spoke of - the 2 vehicles remain connected.
But also the claim that jumper cables should be used to connect the batteries directly to each other, instead of properly connecting them so that the working alternator is directly connected to the discharged battery.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"JSF asked you flat out if a busted alternator would keep you from operating a car."

Your car would run for as long as the battery lasted. After that, it'd be deader than a doornail, and it wouldn't matter how many times you'd jump-start or push-start the car. The alternator would still not be working and providing electricity, the started car would still not be charging the battery so the battery would still be completely drained, and you'd still have no spark to the spark plugs either from the non-working alternator or from the deader than a doornail battery.

Once the battery is drained, a car with a non-working alternator will not run - at all.

That seems pretty simple to understand to me.

Repeating myself from above now, but the started car, when connected via jumper cables, will be charging the discharged battery. This can fully charge the discharged battery, so that the car with the non-working alternator can again run for several days - off of the charged battery. Such a thing is not a dead- end, the end of the road, as you seem to think.
To be clear, a battery which cannot turn over the engine is NOT deader than a doornail. The vast majority of the battery power during a normal start is consumed by the starter motor, and the rest of the electrical need continues to be supplied by the remainder of the battery's power. When not trying to turn over the engine, a "dead" battery can still provide power to radio, some lights, etc.

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Yanno SIX, it just pisses me off no end that - in order to preserve your fragile ego and "prove" me "wrong"- you have to LIE about what I posted.

I very clearly posted, MORE THAN ONCE, that if there is anything left in the battery you can run on the battery.

Everyone can read what I posted, and you only look like a dickwad when you lie.

On 21 Oct, 23:34 ET Sigs said that a dead alternator would absolutely prevent a car from running.
That is not a lie, about the post. What you said was, in fact, incorrect.
6ix accurately repeated this fact. Your out-of-context replies don't change the fact that you said this.

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Here, SIX, to refresh your addled memory is what I posted to JSF:
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without the alternator, your car will be running off the battery. So once the battery runs down, your car will be DOA, since the other function of the alternator is to charge the battery.

You keep repeating your lie, because your false statements are based within the context of the video of the OP, where both vehicles are running, and being driven, while connected via jumper cables - so none of what you posit is correct
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Emphasis added because you OBVIOUSLY missed my point when I made it three or four times.

OBVIOUSLY you can run on the battery, that's how you start a car, right? And OBVIOUSLY you can recharge a battery outside of the car, stick it in the car, and limp along to a repair shop.
And also recharge the battery while it remains in the car, like by connecting with jumper cables to a running vehicle.

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But then you'd have a battery-powered car, not a properly operating one, and one that won't run very long.

Not much more than a few days per full complete charge.

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You can recharge a battery outside of an alternator.
But you'd better not try to sell that car as a running car unless you plan to be out of town for a good long while and leave no forwarding address.

Anybody who tries to buy a vehicle like in the video, where the vehicle is being towed down the street by a bimbo (no more than 2mph, and only in the oncoming lanes of a public highway), while connected via jumper cables to another vehicle - that buyer deserves whatever they get. Including the fact that the 4 bimbos claim that the Air Conditioning does not work.

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Friday, October 29, 2021 5:35 PM

OK, I think I finally finished that post above.

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Saturday, October 30, 2021 4:34 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It is not a "lie", JSF.

Aside from the fact that I've had direct experience with dead batteries, bad electrics, and dead alternators, my hubby used to work as a car mechanic, and HE knows that a dead alternator is NOT a "running car".

You will get anywhere from 5-20 miles down the road on a full battery charge. The lower limit is from today's electrically-dependent vehicles, with things like electric-powered steering, electric-fan engine cooling, defrosters, power windows, electronic controls and media, and air pollution control etc
https://wikimili.com/en/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles

So, JSF, you only demonstrate YOUR ignorance by attempting to peddle a car with a dead alternator as a "running" car.

Also, I already posted I have NO IDEA what those women are doing with those two vehicles. I'm not posting about THOSE TWO VEHICLES. I'm posting about vehicles with dead alternators IN GENERAL.
Since YOU have to lie about my meaning, you also demonstrate your tiny ego, and your need to lie in order to protect it.

You are a tiny, tiny man, masquerading as a real one.

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Saturday, October 30, 2021 6:20 AM

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Monday, November 1, 2021 8:41 PM

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It is not a "lie", JSF.

Aside from the fact that I've had direct experience with dead batteries, bad electrics, and dead alternators, my hubby used to work as a car mechanic, and HE knows that a dead alternator is NOT a "running car".

You will get anywhere from 5-20 miles down the road on a full battery charge. The lower limit is from today's electrically-dependent vehicles, with things like electric-powered steering, electric-fan engine cooling, defrosters, power windows, electronic controls and media, and air pollution control etc
https://wikimili.com/en/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles

So, JSF, you only demonstrate YOUR ignorance by attempting to peddle a car with a dead alternator as a "running" car.

Also, I already posted I have NO IDEA what those women are doing with those two vehicles. I'm not posting about THOSE TWO VEHICLES. I'm posting about vehicles with dead alternators IN GENERAL.
Since YOU have to lie about my meaning, you also demonstrate your tiny ego, and your need to lie in order to protect it.

No matter how many times you deny that this thread, and the OP, and the video in the OP, and all of 6ix's replies, keep pointing out that the subject is the 4 bimbos in the video, and the 2 vehicles which were both running and also moving and also connected by jumper cables, does not make it true.

Please have your husband, or your mechanic dad, explain to us how these 2 vehicles, with running engines and moving under their own power, are not "running vehicles".
You continue quoting our replies to the subject matter of these 4 bimbos and 2 vehicles in the video, but then you lose track and latch onto a tangent topic.

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Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:43 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I go back to my original speculation:

MAYBE one of the vehicles has a dead battery AND a dead alternator. If that were the cae, it wouldn't be running under its own power, it would be running off the other vehicle's battery.

BUT once it was explained to me that they were "fixing the air conditioning", I gave up trying to figure out what they were doing bc it made no sense.

And you're STILL a tiny, tiny man pretending to be a real one.

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Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:52 PM