Matthew Perry Drowned in Jacuzzi by JAYNEZTOWN

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 3:02 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I had to check the latest news to make sure that it wasn't a joke.

It's too bad that he died. I never watched "Friends" ... don't think I even saw a single episode ... but from what I saw of Perry is another show many years later, I thought he was a good actor and for some reason I thought he looked... sad. It's strange to me that someone who appears to have everything feels they have nothing worth living for.

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 8:52 AM

WHOZIT

It really is a shock

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 8:54 AM

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that he killed himself.

Especially if it's the Legacy Media tells you that is what happened.

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 9:16 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that he killed himself.

Especially if it's the Legacy Media tells you that is what happened.

Matthew Perry’s foreshadowed death:

Perry characterized himself as a ready-made, just-add-water addict: an alcoholic with his first drink at the age of 14, and hooked on painkillers with his first pill, prescribed after a jetski accident.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/29/alcoholic-trouble
d-life-matthew-perry-addicted-substance

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, October 29, 2023 9:23 AM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that he killed himself.

Especially if it's the Legacy Media tells you that is what happened.
Matthew Perry’s foreshadowed death:

Perry characterized himself as a ready-made, just-add-water addict: an alcoholic with his first drink at the age of 14, and hooked on painkillers with his first pill, prescribed after a jetski accident.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/29/alcoholic-trouble
d-life-matthew-perry-addicted-substance

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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It wouldn't be a shock to learn that he had a few too many and passed out in the tub. 'IF', that is what happened

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 9:33 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:

It wouldn't be a shock to learn that he had a few too many and passed out in the tub. 'IF', that is what happened

The world might be shocked at his untimely death, but Perry knew that his addiction was going to kill him; he told us in print a year ago, in a book that reached six figures in sales. Indeed, he wrote, his most surprising takeaway was that it hadn’t already.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/29/alcoholic-trouble
d-life-matthew-perry-addicted-substance

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, October 29, 2023 1:26 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

It wouldn't be a shock to learn that he had a few too many and passed out in the tub. 'IF', that is what happened
The world might be shocked at his untimely death, but Perry knew that his addiction was going to kill him; he told us in print a year ago, in a book that reached six figures in sales. Indeed, he wrote, his most surprising takeaway was that it hadn’t already.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/29/alcoholic-trouble
d-life-matthew-perry-addicted-substance

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Makes it real convenient if somebody in his life read the book and wanted him dead and/or stood to benefit from his death.

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 2:15 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

I believe this was just pills and beer

but some might ask How many Corona Bill Gates Covid Booster Shots did he take?

He sounds like a star like one of many, who did good roles but could not handle the fame and took an addiction to pills and alcohol

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Makes it real convenient if somebody in his life read the book and wanted him dead and/or stood to benefit from his death.

I'm not sure it works that way, I think if its in a book then info is already out there and in public, maybe too late to cover it up

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that he killed himself.

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You want one of those DavidIcke, JoeRogan, AlexJones type conspiracy

UPDATED: The Trudeau Kill List

I'm not saying this is true...but
people might talk of it

He punched and kicked Justin Trudeau and put his head down the toilet?

might not take long for the conspiracies to come

signs off “Mattman” on his instagram
drug addicts and alcoholics are a bit out there at times

He did not use social media much they say and then 7 days ago he starts posting 7 posts all inside a few days, all with the batman vigilante distress Bat signal symbol in it.

But back to reality he seemed to have addict issues, could’ve had a mental health gone insane break or just took too much pills with booze and collapsed like other Rock stars and Actors have done.

https://www.instagram.com/mattyperry4/

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 3:24 PM

I had addict issues. I'm still alive.

There are plenty of alcoholics and drug addicts in the world who function and even overcome their addictions.

I'm not saying he didn't kill himself or accidentally overdose. I'm just saying that if I were charged with investigating the death I'd look into his financial situation and who stood to gain the most from his death. I'd also investigate his wife/ex-wife/girlfriend/fiancee or whatever relationships he had to see if maybe somebody had a grotch against him and would be happy if he were dead. Did he even have any money left? Who knows? A lot of these celebrity types mismanage their money and end up broke after their star faded. Maybe there was no financial motivation and he was working at the local WalMart?

I'm not even delving into any political conspiracy theory stuff here. I don't know anything about the guy except that he was in Friends, a few romcom movies from the late 90's/early 2000's that I never would have watched and he voiced Benny in Fallout: New Vegas. I didn't even know he was linked at all to Trudeau, but now that I do know that I'm still not insinuating that has anything to do with his death. The guy was a non-entity on social media as far as I know. I never recall hearing a single opinion out of him good or bad, political or non-political.

I just wouldn't automatically assume that he killed himself just because he liked to drink and do drugs.

And the mere fact that everybody in this thread is jumping to that conclusion just reaffirms my point that if somebody were to gain from his death in any way, they knew full well that the general consensus would be that he just killed himself and they'd get away with it as long as they didn't totally screw up the scene of the crime is all.

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 4:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Too many pills and booze, warm water = drop in blood pressure and fainting or unconsciousness and accidental drowning. I'm sure they'll do a tox screen and check alcohol and drug levels on autopsy, and look for water in his lungs. Probably the only question might be whether this was accidental or suicide.

No wonder he looked sad. He also looked beat up by life, much older than his age. There are so many reasons for addiction. Some people are self-medicating for ADHD or bipolar disorder or endogenous depression or anxiety. Much is situational. Some addicts just really lack dopamine. But there are so many innovative treatments for addiction- even ketamine or magic mushrooms - why anyone with his access to resources would remain addicted ...

Also, he had no spouse or children. I wonder if he had any close friends at all.

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 8:28 AM

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But there are so many innovative treatments for addiction- even ketamine or magic mushrooms - why anyone with his access to resources would remain addicted ...

Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of the anesthetic ketamine, according to the results of an autopsy on the 54-year-old “Friends” actor released Friday.

https://apnews.com/article/matthew-perry-death-cause-054e67f7495845804
f801c57a1ae2522

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 11:14 AM

I dunno. I don't hang with celebrities, but Ketamine isn't exactly the recreational drug of choice.

Doesn't sound accidental to me.

Murder if not suicide?

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I dunno. I don't hang with celebrities, but Ketamine isn't exactly the recreational drug of choice.

Doesn't sound accidental to me.

Murder if not suicide?

Matthew Perry wrote:

"Ketamine was a very popular street drug in the 1980s. There is a synthetic form of it now, and it's used for two reasons: to ease pain and help with depression," he wrote. "Has my name written all over it — they might as well have called it 'Matty.'"

He described the drug as "a giant exhale" and explained that the staff at the facility would administer it via a drip while he was blindfolded and listening to music.

Perry recalled that he would often "dissociate" during the infusions, but he was also consumed by thoughts of death.

"I often thought that I was dying during that hour," he wrote. "Oh, I thought, this is what happens when you die. Yet I would continually sign up for this shit because it was something different, and anything different is good."

"Taking K is like being hit in the head with a giant happy shovel. But the hangover was rough and outweighed the shovel. Ketamine was not for me," he added.

Even though he appeared to distance himself from the drug in the book, according to the toxicology report from the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office, Perry continued to get ketamine infusions after his stay in Switzerland.

Perry's last such treatment, it said, was a week and a half before his death, meaning the ketamine found in his system could not have been from his last treatment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/matthew-perry-wrote-in-his-m
emoir-that-ketamine-the-drug-that-led-to-his-death-had-his-name-written-all-over-it/ar-AA1lB9zs

A 2022 interview with ABC News' Diane Sawyer revealed the "Friends" actor attended rehab at least 15 times, detoxed 65 times, and went to 6,000 AA meetings.

In his memoir, "Friends, Lovers and the Big Terrible Thing," Perry wrote that his addiction stemmed from a "lifetime of feeling abandoned" and a "desperate need for love."

Perry told People he decided to open up about his struggles in the hopes it would help others.

https://www.businessinsider.com/matthew-perry-death-cause-revealed-acc
idental-drowning-ketamine-2023-12

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:03 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Sounds to me like he had a major neurochemical imbalance. Like there are some people who are bipolar and others are anxiety-ridden and others are schizo and others have Parkinson's.

I wonder if something like amantadine would have helped.

Most people are somewhere in the middle-ish between GABA and dopamine and acetylcholine and adrenaline and so forth ... and then there are people at the ends of those bell curves who struggle their whole lives. Some day they'll figure all that out and be able to help. But obviously not there yet.

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:15 PM

That's a bummer...

In my entire life, I had only ever been "exposed" to Ketamine at a pregame in downtown Chicago before we went to a club. One of my old high school friends I hadn't seen in a while was cooking up some "Special K" on the stove, and very obviously he and a few of the girls there were already "enjoying" it before I arrived.

I didn't know what it was, and I didn't bother asking. I wanted nothing to do with it. It wasn't until years later I even heard about Ketamine and knew what they were doing that night.

To me it didn't seem all that much different than when another guy I knew asked me if I wanted to "get wet". Apparently he had smoked a joint that was dipped in embalming fluid. He sat there staring into space for a few hours barely moving or talking to anyone. Didn't look like a lot of fun to me.

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:58 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I had enuf problems in junior high and HS ... family probs, emotional probs .... somehow, drugs just seemed like an additonal problem that I didn't want to deal with. Never smoked cigs (altho since both parents smoked a lot I had more than my share of secondhand!). Tried MJ once, didn't like it. Booze just made me sleepy, so I didn't even drink on college altho I do drink a bit now even tho I shouldn't bc ... cancer.

On a med now for neuropathy, but it is also a pain reliever, tranquilizer and anticonvulsant all in one. Not narcotic and not a benzodiazepine so not addictive. Once they tease out those neurochemical pathways they can can make some good (effective, safe) stuff. I hope they continue to work on that bc right now, for a lot of conditions, they're hitting the brain with chemical sledgehammers.

Hubby had a guy working for him. Real nice guy, but always depressed. He self-medicated with MDMA. I tried telling him he might be burning out his serotonin receptors, but I guess the immediate relief he got was worth the distant potential risk. Eventually he quit his job, lived in his camper, moved out to the desert, and we lost track of him. I hope he found some peace there.

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Sunday, December 17, 2023 12:05 PM

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Matthew Perry’s final days were a mix of nicotine lollipops, ketamine and testosterone shots that left him ‘angry and mean’

The report, obtained by Page Six on Friday, revealed that a female friend of the actor said he was “angry and mean” in the weeks before his death because he had been taking testosterone shots.

The eye-opening report noted that aside from a lethal amount of ketamine mixed with the opioid-like drug buprenorphine, which is used to alleviate pain and help with addiction to opioids, Perry had been taking Tammoxifen to lose weight, antidiabetic medication and nicotine lollipops. His live-in assistant said he had been smoking about two packs of cigarettes per day.

“It is more likely this was recreational ketamine use,” Dr. Bankole Johnson, one of the top neuroscientists and physicians in the world, told Page Six exclusively Friday.

“It would be questionable medicine to provide ketamine to someone also using buprenorphine — a true recipe for disaster.”

https://pagesix.com/2023/12/16/entertainment/matthew-perrys-final-days
-were-a-mix-of-nicotine-lollipops-ketamine-and-testosterone-shots-that-left-him-angry-and-mean/

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Sunday, December 17, 2023 12:53 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Sounds like he was on a runaway train, and heading for a cliff.

I used to think that, with the right treatment and support, you could get anyone to quit an addiction. Until I read a story about a politician's daughter who was an alcoholic. So, for context, this was one of those northern central states, Minnesota maybe.

The article detailed the treatments the parents could convince their daughter into. I dont recall what they all were, but IIRC it was over a dozen. Drying out. AA. Alternate drugs. Antabuse. Psychotherapy. Prayer. The parents' fear for their daughter was palpable, and there was never a hint that they were anything but loving parents desperate to find a cure before she killed herself, bc it was pretty clear where she was heading. But she always found a way back to booze and drank until she blacked out. Eventually, at a young age, she froze to death in a snowbank after having guzzled booze in a nearby bar.

For most people, addiction is a response to stress, a reaction to stressful conditions, inability to improve circumstances, and high internal stress. Self-medicating. That's why addiction goes up as unemployment increases.

But like some people are born with the seeds of schizophrenia, I'm beginning to think that some people have an inherent flaw in their neurochemistry that makes them born addicts. From what I read, Matt Perry was a troubled kid and started getting high from a very young age. It seems to me he spent a lot of time trying to escape himself, and he finally did.

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