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President Trump Judged GUILTY Of . . . . well, something. But Nobody Knows What.

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Friday, May 31, 2024 2:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Prosecution refused to inform Defense of any Charges before Fake Showtrial.

Refused to announce any Charges during the Fake Showtrial.

Until after The Defense rested it's case - then Prosecution told the Jury what Charges they had dreamt up.

But then the Corrupt Judge instructed the jury to ignore all that. If one juror thought there was guilt of one charge, and another felt guilt of another Charge, and another juror thought Trump was a meanie, and another didn't like his hair color, then that was good enough to paste together a conviction.

So now nobody knows what, if any, Charges he was judged to be guilty of.






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Friday, May 31, 2024 3:03 PM

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Results?

Trump Campaign website crashed due to volume - over $35 M contributed in the 20 hours following "Guilty" announcement.
RNC Donation site also crashed due to volume.



Sen Joe Manchion announced he is switching from Democrap to Independent.
So Senate is now 49 Republicans and 47 Democraps, with 4 independents. If GOP Senators develop a spine, some work could get done.
Every Impeachment must be Tried in the same session of Congress, not carried over to the next Session. So all of the current Impeachments pending Senate Trial should be able to get tried, convicted, and removed.

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Friday, May 31, 2024 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So now nobody knows what, if any, Charges he was judged to be guilty of.

Trump would not have been in court if he had written one check out of his personal bank account rather than dozens of checks out of the corporate account, but Trump had to cheat on his corporate taxes by having his corporation pay his personal expenses.

On top of that, it was an illegal campaign contribution for his corporation to do that, besides cheating on NY corporate taxes.

Stupidly, after being caught, Trump lied about not having sex with that woman, lied about why the checks were written, lied about everything, which irritated the hell out of the jury because Trump's constant lying was wasting weeks and weeks of the jurors' time as the prosecutors meticulously proved Trump lied about all facts in this case. (Trump's clever retort? "Believe me! I'm telling the truth. You're the liar!")

To prove beyond a doubt that Trump was lying, Trump and his lawyers kept on lying during the trial, excluding his lying before the trial, which was a further waste of time for everybody involved. If Trump had testified, as he promised, there would be a new trial for Trump's perjury if he repeated under oath the same lies he was speaking to reporters when he wasn't in the courtroom.

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Jurors don't need to believe the witnesses to convict Trump.

Here are 10 stand-alone pieces of evidence that practically speak for themselves.

The evidence is on display at
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-hush-money-trial-jurors-smoking-
gun-cohen-stormy-daniels-2024-5


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Friday, May 31, 2024 10:18 PM

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Total non-issue, and it will be overturned eventually.

Can't wait for debate night.

Tick Tock



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Total non-issue, and it will be overturned eventually.

Can't wait for debate night.

Tick Tock

The Cases Against Trump: A Guide

By David A. Graham | May 31, 2024, 12:49 PM ET

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/05/donald-trump-legal-c
ases-charges/675531
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In addition to the conviction in Manhattan, Trump faces 57 more felony counts across one state court and two different federal districts, any of which could potentially produce a prison sentence. He also lost a civil suit in New York that could hobble his business empire, as well as a pair of large defamation judgments. Meanwhile, he is the presumptive Republican nominee for president. His legal fate is being litigated at the same time that his political future is before voters.

Here’s a summary of the major legal cases against Trump, including key dates, an assessment of the gravity of the charges, and expectations about how they could turn out. This guide will be updated regularly as the cases proceed.

New York State: Fraud

In the fall of 2022, New York Attorney General Letitia James filed a civil suit against Trump, his adult sons, and his former aide Allen Weisselberg, alleging a years-long scheme in which Trump fraudulently reported the value of properties in order to either lower his tax bill or improve the terms of his loans, all with an eye toward inflating his net worth.

When?
Justice Arthur Engoron ruled on February 16 that Trump must pay $355 million plus interest, the calculated size of his ill-gotten gains from fraud. The judge had previously ruled against Trump and his co-defendants in late September 2023, concluding that many of the defendants’ claims were “clearly” fraudulent—so clearly that he didn’t need a trial to hear them.

How grave was the allegation?
Fraud is fraud, and in this case, the sum of the fraud stretched into the hundreds of millions—but compared with some of the other legal matters in which Trump is embroiled, this is a little pedestrian. The case was also civil rather than criminal. But although the stakes are lower for the nation, they remain high for Trump: The size of the penalty appears to be larger than Trump can easily pay, and he also faces a three-year ban on operating his company.

What happens now?
Trump has appealed the case. On March 25, the day he was supposed to post bond, an appeals court reduced the amount he must post from more than $464 million to $175 million. He must appeal by this summer.

Manhattan: Defamation and Sexual Assault

Although these other cases are all brought by government entities, Trump also faced a pair of defamation suits from the writer E. Jean Carroll, who said that Trump sexually assaulted her in a department-store dressing room in the 1990s. When he denied it, she sued him for defamation and later added a battery claim.

When?
In May 2023, a jury concluded that Trump had sexually assaulted and defamed Carroll, and awarded her $5 million. A second defamation case produced an $83.3 million judgment in January 2024.

How grave was the allegation?
Although these cases didn’t directly connect to the same fundamental issues of rule of law and democratic governance that some of the criminal cases do, they were a serious matter, and a federal judge’s blunt statement that Trump raped Carroll has gone underappreciated.

What happens now?
Trump has appealed both cases, and he posted bond for the $83.3 million in March. During the second trial, he also continued to insult Carroll, which may have courted additional defamation suits.

Manhattan: Hush Money

In March 2023, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg became the first prosecutor to bring felony charges against Trump, alleging that the former president falsified business records as part of a scheme to pay hush money to women who said they’d had sexual relationships with Trump.

When? The trial began on April 15 and ended with a May 30 conviction. Sentencing is scheduled for July 11.

How grave was the allegation?
Many people have analogized this case to Al Capone’s conviction on tax evasion: It’s not that he didn’t deserve it, but it wasn’t really why he was an infamous villain. Trump did deserve it, and he’s now a convicted felon. Moreover, although the charges were about falsifying records, those records were falsified to keep information from the public as it voted in the 2016 election. It was among the first of Trump’s many attacks on fair elections. (His two impeachments were also for efforts to undermine the electoral process.) If at times this case felt more minor compared with the election-subversion or classified-documents cases, it’s because those other cases have set a grossly high standard for what constitutes gravity.

What happens now?
The next major step is sentencing, which will come days before the Republican National Convention. Trump has also promised to appeal.

Department of Justice: Mar-a-Lago Documents

Jack Smith, a special counsel in the U.S. Justice Department, has charged Trump with 37 felonies in connection with his removal of documents from the White House when he left office. The charges include willful retention of national-security information, obstruction of justice, withholding of documents, and false statements. Trump took boxes of documents to properties, where they were stored haphazardly, but the indictment centers on his refusal to give them back to the government despite repeated requests.

When?
Smith filed charges in June 2023. On May 8, 2024, following several prior delays, Judge Aileen Cannon announced that she was indefinitely postponing the trial until preliminary issues could be resolved. Smith faces a de facto deadline of January 20, 2025, at which point Trump or any Republican president would likely shut down a case.

How grave is the allegation?
These are, I have written, the stupidest crimes imaginable, but they are nevertheless very serious. Protecting the nation’s secrets is one of the greatest responsibilities of any public official with classified clearance, and not only did Trump put these documents at risk, but he also (allegedly) refused to comply with a subpoena, tried to hide the documents, and lied to the government through his attorneys.

How plausible is a guilty verdict?
This may be the most open-and-shut case, and the facts and legal theory here are pretty straightforward. But Smith seems to have drawn a short straw when he was randomly assigned Cannon, a Trump appointee who has repeatedly ruled favorably for Trump on procedural matters. Some legal commentators have even accused her of “sabotaging” the case.

Fulton County: Election Subversion

In Fulton County, Georgia, which includes most of Atlanta, District Attorney Fani Willis brought a huge racketeering case against Trump and 18 others, alleging a conspiracy that spread across weeks and states with the aim of stealing the 2020 election.

When?
Willis obtained the indictment in August 2023. The number of people charged makes the case unwieldy and difficult to track. Several of them, including Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis, struck plea deals in the fall. Willis has proposed a trial date of August 5, 2024, for the remaining defendants, but that may be delayed.

How grave is the allegation?
More than any other case, this one attempts to reckon with the full breadth of the assault on democracy following the 2020 election.

How plausible is a guilty verdict?
Expert views differ. This is a huge case for a local prosecutor, even in a county as large as Fulton, to bring. The racketeering law allows Willis to sweep in a great deal of material, and she has some strong evidence—such as a call in which Trump asked Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” some 11,000 votes. Three major plea deals from co-defendants may also ease Willis’s path, but getting a jury to convict Trump will still be a challenge. The case has also been hurt by the revelation of a romantic relationship between Willis and an attorney she hired as a special prosecutor. On March 15, Judge Scott McAfee declined to throw out the indictment, but he sharply castigated Willis.

Department of Justice: Election Subversion

Special Counsel Smith has also charged Trump with four federal felonies in connection with his attempt to remain in power after losing the 2020 election. This case is in court in Washington, D.C.

When?
A grand jury indicted Trump on August 1, 2023. The trial was originally scheduled for March 4 but is now on hold pending a Supreme Court decision on whether the former president should be immune to prosecution. The window for a trial to occur before the election is narrowing quickly. As with the other DOJ case, time is of the essence for Smith, because Trump or any other Republican president could shut down a case upon taking office in January 2025.

How grave is the allegation?
This case rivals the Fulton County one in importance. It is narrower, focusing just on Trump and a few key elements of the paperwork coup, but the symbolic weight of the U.S. Justice Department prosecuting an attempt to subvert the American election system is heavy.

How plausible is a guilty verdict?
It’s very hard to say. Smith avoided some of the more unconventional potential charges, including aiding insurrection, and everyone watched much of the alleged crime unfold in public in real time, but no precedent exists for a case like this, with a defendant like this.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Total non-issue, and it will be overturned eventually.

Can't wait for debate night.

Tick Tock


Trump said it best: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/23/464129029/donald-tr
ump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters


Conservatives like Trump because of his character

Conservatives might like Trump on policy grounds, but they could get exactly the same policy from nearly any Republican. What sets Trump apart is his character. This is why his fans like him. His character. Donald Trump has:

• Been convicted of covering up an affair with a porn star.

• Been caught on tape bragging about grabbing pussies.

• Lied about President Obama wiretapping him.

• Tried to extort the president of Ukraine into digging up dirt on a political opponent.

• Worked tirelessly to illegally overthrow an election he lost.

• Promised to pardon the violent protesters who attacked the Capitol on January 6.

• Been found liable for sexual assault.

• Lied relentlessly about matters big and small.

• Claimed many of the world's worst autocrats as friends.

• Cheated customers of "Trump University" out of millions of dollars.

• Been fined nearly $500 million for business fraud.

• Fired an FBI director for refusing to end an investigation into his campaign.

• Been ordered to shut his charitable foundation and pay restitution for repeated self-dealing and legal violations.

• Pocketed millions of dollars from foreign interests staying at his hotels.

• Promoted dangerous quack "cures" for COVID-19.

• Baselessly claimed that Ted Cruz's father was associated with the Kennedy assassination.

• Said that soldiers who are wounded or die in war are suckers and losers.

Trump oozes "character" out of every pore and orifice on his body.


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Total non-issue, and it will be overturned eventually.

Trump Has Few Ways to Overturn His Conviction as a New York Felon

New York appellate courts rarely overturn a jury decision without evidence of serious errors. The judge in Donald J. Trump’s case closed off many avenues.

By Ben Protess, William K. Rashbaum and Jonah E. Bromwich | June 1, 2024, 3:00 a.m. ET

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/01/nyregion/trump-appeal-conviction.ht
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“This is long from over,” Donald J. Trump, the former president and current felon, declared on Thursday, moments after a Manhattan jury convicted him on 34 counts of falsifying records to cover up a sex scandal.

Mr. Trump, the first American president to be branded a criminal, is banking on the jury not having the final word on his legal fate or his political fortunes. He will now appeal, both to a higher court and the American people, seeking to contain the fallout as he campaigns for the White House.

But even if the former — and possibly future — president persuades voters to toss his conviction aside, the appellate courts might not be so sympathetic.

Although Mr. Trump proclaimed at a news conference on Friday that he had plenty of ammunition to overturn what he called “this scam,” several legal experts cast doubt on his chances of success, and noted that the case could take years to snake through the courts.

And so, after a five-year investigation and a seven-week trial, Mr. Trump’s New York legal odyssey is only beginning, all but ensuring he will still be a felon when voters head to the polls in November.

The former president’s supporters are calling on the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene, though that is highly unlikely. In a more likely appeal to a New York court, Mr. Trump would have avenues to attack the conviction, the experts said, but far fewer than he has claimed. The experts noted that the judge, whose rulings helped shape the case, stripped some of the prosecution’s most precarious arguments and evidence from the trial.

The appeal will be a referendum on the judge, Juan M. Merchan, who steered the trial through political and legal minefields even as Mr. Trump hurled invective at him and his family. Justice Merchan, a no-nonsense former prosecutor, said that he was keenly aware “and protective of” Mr. Trump’s rights, including his right to “defend himself against political attacks.”

Mark Zauderer, a veteran New York litigator who sits on a committee that screens applicants for the same court that will hear Mr. Trump’s appeal, said that Justice Merchan avoided pitfalls that often doom convictions.

“This case has none of the usual red flags for reversal on appeal,” Mr. Zauderer said. “The judge’s demeanor was flawless.”

Even if Justice Merchan’s rulings provide little fodder, Mr. Trump could challenge the foundation of the prosecution’s case. Mr. Trump’s lawyers note that Alvin L. Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney, used a novel theory to charge Mr. Trump with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.

In New York, that crime is a misdemeanor, unless the records were faked to conceal another crime. To elevate the charges to felonies, Mr. Bragg argued that Mr. Trump had falsified the records to cover up violations of a little-known state law against conspiring to win election by “unlawful means.”

Mr. Trump’s conspiracy occurred during his first run for the White House. When Mr. Trump arranged to buy and bury damaging stories about his sex life, including a porn star’s story of a tryst, he was trying to influence the 2016 election, Mr. Bragg said.

In an appeal, Mr. Trump’s lawyers are expected to argue that Mr. Bragg inappropriately stretched the state election law — a convoluted one, at that — to cover a federal campaign. And they could claim that the false records law itself does not apply to Mr. Trump’s case.

“I certainly don’t think there has been a prosecution of falsifying business records like this one,” said Barry Kamins, a retired judge and expert on criminal procedure who teaches at Brooklyn Law School. “This is all uncharted territory, as far as an appellate issue.”

None of this criticism will surprise Mr. Bragg, a career prosecutor who has shown himself to be comfortable with innovative applications of law. Mr. Bragg’s head of appeals, Steven Wu, a fast-talking litigator, attended much of the trial. When the verdict was read, he was sitting in the second row, to Mr. Bragg’s right.

It is now Mr. Wu’s job to ensure that Mr. Trump does not escape his conviction.

Over a lifetime spent in legal gray areas, Mr. Trump has developed a knack for delaying or dodging criminal consequences. Just as law enforcement authorities would appear to close in on him, and his adversaries assumed he was on the ropes, Mr. Trump would prevail.

In his four years as president, Mr. Trump survived two impeachments, a federal investigation and a special counsel inquiry. In his post presidential life, he has been indicted four times in four different cities, but three of those cases are mired in delays, thanks in part to the U.S. Supreme Court.

He was, to foes and friends alike, “Teflon Don.”

But now, just like every other criminal defendant in New York, the deck is stacked against him. Appeals courts typically frown upon overturning jury decisions, barring some glaring error or misconduct.

Justice Merchan will sentence Mr. Trump on July 11, just days before he attends the Republican National Convention to be anointed as the party’s presidential nominee. The judge could sentence him to as long as to four years in prison, or impose only probation.

The sentencing will start a 30-day clock for Mr. Trump to file a notice of appeal. That notice is just a legal stake in the ground. Mr. Trump will then have to mount the actual appeal at the New York State’s Appellate Division, First Department. The panel of appellate court judges most likely would not hear arguments until next year, and might not issue a decision until early 2026.

And that won’t necessarily be the final say. Mr. Trump or Mr. Bragg’s office could ask the New York Court of Appeals, the state’s highest court, to review the decision.

Mr. Trump might also have a final option: the U.S. Supreme Court. Mr. Trump, who already tried and failed to move the case to federal court, could try again if he were elected.

It would be a long shot. Procedurally, it is exceedingly difficult for a state defendant to reach the Supreme Court without exhausting state appeals.

“This is a garden-variety state court conviction,” Mr. Zauderer said. “I don't see a plausible path to the Supreme Court.”

Yet the court has appeared sympathetic to Mr. Trump in one of his other criminal cases. And in an appearance on Fox News on Friday, the Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, argued that the justices should take up Mr. Trump’s cause.

“I think that the justices on the court, I know many of them personally, I think they’re deeply concerned,” said Mr. Johnson, a Trump ally. “I think they’ll set this straight, but it’s going to take a while.”

At his Trump Tower news conference on Friday, Mr. Trump outlined a blueprint for his appeal, airing a litany of grievances about Justice Merchan, whom he called “a tyrant.”

“He wouldn’t allow us to have witnesses or have us talk or allow us to do anything,” Mr. Trump claimed, adding that witnesses were “literally crucified by this man who looks like an angel, but he’s really a devil.”

Those accusations were false. Justice Merchan did not prohibit Mr. Trump from calling witnesses, though he did limit the testimony of a defense expert who was set to testify about election law but ultimately never took the stand. (Justice Merchan determined that the expert’s testimony about the law would intrude on the judge’s own responsibility.)

Mr. Trump also claimed that Justice Merchan effectively prevented him from testifying in his own defense. The judge, he said, would have allowed prosecutors to question him about his past legal troubles, and “everything that I was ever involved in.”

That was a significant exaggeration.

Defendants routinely premise appeals on a judge’s decision about how much prosecutors may cross-examine them. They also often argue that judges have allowed evidence beyond the scope of the charges. But Justice Merchan refused to let the prosecution enter a variety of damaging evidence about Mr. Trump, including accusations that he sexually assaulted women.

Both of those issues were at the heart of the Court of Appeals’s recent decision to overturn the sex crimes conviction of Harvey Weinstein, the former Hollywood producer. Yet Mr. Kamins, who was one of the lawyers who handled Mr. Weinstein’s appeal, said they would not carry the day for Mr. Trump.

Justice Merchan, who began every trial day with a “good morning” for Mr. Trump, did occasionally scold him for misbehaving in the courtroom, or violating a gag order that barred attacks on witnesses and jurors. But he did so outside the presence of the jurors.

When the porn star, Stormy Daniels, was on the stand, and Mr. Trump muttered “bullshit,” the judge waited for the jury to leave before summoning a defense lawyer to the bench. “I am speaking to you here at the bench because I don’t want to embarrass him,” the judge told Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Todd Blanche.

Justice Merchan bent over backward when Mr. Trump repeatedly violated the gag order.

“Mr. Trump, it’s important to understand that the last thing I want to do is to put you in jail,” he said. “You are the former president of the United States, and possibly the next president.”

Justice Merchan also reined in the prosecution’s efforts to lower the legal bar for convicting Mr. Trump. In his instructions to the jury about how to apply the law to Mr. Trump’s case, the judge refused to include suggestions from prosecutors that would have made a conviction all but certain.

Still, no judge is perfect. At times during the trial, Justice Merchan appeared to lose his temper, castigating the defense for arguments he saw as frivolous or repetitive.

And Mr. Trump’s lawyers are expected to challenge Justice Merchan’s decisions to keep the trial in Manhattan, where the former president is deeply unpopular, and to bless Mr. Bragg’s theory of the case.

The law required Mr. Bragg to show that Mr. Trump caused a false entry in the records of “an enterprise.” Mr. Trump’s lawyers might argue that no such enterprise was involved. The documents, they believe, belonged to Mr. Trump personally, not his company.

The second crime — the election law conspiracy — provides another possible avenue for Mr. Trump’s lawyers. The legal theory underpinning the prosecution included not only untested law, but a complex combination of statutes, one tucked inside another like a Russian nesting doll.

This theory required Justice Merchan to provide the jury with byzantine legal instructions.

“The more complex the jury instructions, the more likely they are to bear appellate issues,” said Nathaniel Z. Marmur, a New York appellate lawyer. “And these are some of the most complex instructions one could imagine.”

Long before the appeal is decided, Mr. Trump’s political fate will have been set. In the single day since the jury convicted him, campaign donations have poured into his coffers, and Mr. Trump cast Election Day as the “real verdict.”

His opponent, President Biden, said that the conviction alone will not thwart a Trump presidency.

“There’s only one way to keep Donald Trump out of the Oval Office: at the ballot box,” he said.

Ben Protess is an investigative reporter at The Times, writing about public corruption. He has been covering the various criminal investigations into former President Trump and his allies.

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Ivanka Trump breaks silence after guilty verdict

by Judy Kurtz - 05/31/24 9:10 AM ET

“I love you dad,” the message said, with a throwback photo of Trump’s eldest daughter as a toddler posing with her father.

Her older brother, Donald Trump, Jr., had a different reaction to their father’s guilty verdict.

“Such bulls---,” he wrote on the social platform X.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4695917-ivanka-trump-guilty-verd
ict-new-york-hush-money-trial
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Saturday, June 1, 2024 2:06 PM

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Nobody cares.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody cares.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

Trump is a Rorschach test. Either you see America's savior or a convicted felon. Nobody sees both when they look at Trump.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible." Trumptards are, like, incredibly defective.

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Saturday, June 1, 2024 2:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody cares.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

Trump is a Rorschach test. Either you see America's savior or a convicted felon. Nobody sees both when they look at Trump.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible." Trumptards are, like, incredibly defective.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




Don't put your bullshit neurosis on me. Trump isn't a savior.

He's also not a convicted felon either, and the court case was a sham that will be overturned.

Trump will win the election though. Easily.

And Joe Biden* is about to be destroyed on the world stage in that first debate.

Tick Tock



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Saturday, June 1, 2024 3:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


TYT: Trump Campaign Rakes in SERIOUS CASH after guilty verdict




Trump just got $34 Million for his 34 "felonies"




You want to see something creepy? Watch what Joe Biden* did when he was doing his regular walking off the stage to avoid any questions after reading the teleprompter when he was asked by a reporter "Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly. What is your response to that, Sir?" at 0:36 on the second video.

If that look doesn't let you know the evil that's unfolding right now, there's no hope for you.

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Sunday, June 2, 2024 10:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Lately I have run across some profoundly stupid people. They seem to believe that everything M$M tells them is true - they have no clue about facts. They claim that Trump was actually charged with felonies, even though he was only charged with misdemeanors - the same acts repeated 11 times. Like when you pay your bills with a check from your checkbook - 11 bills.

Even the likes of abc - despite George Steponallofus - accidentally let slip some facts. But they kept out the part of Columbian Juan Merchan being "acting judge" along with his appointment as Family Court Judge.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-hush-money-trial-draws-close-jury-inst
ructions/story?id=110547249



As Trump hush money trial draws to a close, jury instructions to play key role
"I can't overemphasize the importance of the judge's instructions."

ByJulia Reinstein
May 28, 2024, 5:01 AM

Possible outcomes of Trump’s hush money trial

ABC News’ legal contributor Kan Nawaday explains the possible outcomes of Donald Trump’s histo...Show More
The criminal hush money trial against former President Donald Trump is drawing to a close, with deliberations expected to begin as early as Wednesday.

But before that can happen, a fundamental step must take place: the charging of the jury.

The charging -- or as it's also known, instructing -- of the jury is a standard procedural step in any jury trial, during which the judge advises jurors on how they should go about reaching their verdict. The judge will lay out the particulars of the law in question, often defining esoteric legal terminology, in order to guide the jury into an understanding of what would constitute a violation of said law.

Jurors are instructed on how to apply these guidelines to the evidence presented during trial -- which in this case, includes the testimony of 20 witnesses and over 250 exhibits -- to determine whether the prosecution has proven their case against the defendant.

How Judge Juan Merchan instructs the jury -- and how the jury understands those instructions -- will be critical to how this historic case is decided, experts told ABC News.


"I can't overemphasize the importance of the judge's instructions -- jurors cling very tightly to the roadmap the judge provides," Cheryl Bader, a professor at Fordham Law, told ABC News. "The verdict is not just a determination of what facts the jury believes, it is the intersection of facts and law together."

MORE: What are the potential outcomes of Trump's hush money trial?
In a pre-charge conference Tuesday, during which the prosecution and defense sparred over what should be included in jury instructions, Merchan said he would ensure the instructions were clear and comprehensible. "We want to make it as easy as possible for the jury," he said.

Merchan will instruct jurors that they must find Trump guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" in order to convict. As with any criminal case, the burden of proof lies with the prosecution -- meaning prosecutors must prove Trump is guilty, and the defense does not have to prove Trump's innocence.

Merchan is also likely to inform jurors that they must only consider evidence presented during the trial, and not allow bias or sympathy to sway their decision. They will also be instructed they cannot hold Trump's decision not to testify against him.

Trump is charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records -- a crime that can be tried as a misdemeanor, but may be elevated to a felony when the act was done in an effort to cover up an underlying crime. Prosecutors have suggested Trump violated election laws by concealing a hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels in order to protect damaging information about himself from coming out ahead of the 2016 presidential race. Trump has pleaded not guilty and denied any wrongdoing.


The crime-within-a-crime nature of the felony charge means instructing the jury may be a complicated task. In a motion earlier in the case, Merchan ruled against requiring prosecutors to specifically identify the underlying crime they believe Trump committed -- but jurors will need to have a solid grasp on what that alleged underlying crime is in order to decide whether Trump is guilty of the felony charges.

MORE: Timeline: Manhattan DA's Stormy Daniels hush money case against Donald Trump
The prosecution and the defense have disagreed over what exactly the jury must find proven in order to convict. Defense attorney Emil Bove has argued they must find Trump acted willfully in order to be found guilty, saying "there must be a criminal object" of the alleged conspiracy to hide damaging information from voters ahead of the 2016 election.

Prosecutors argued the jury should be told that Trump could be convicted because he caused false entries into the Trump Organization's general ledger through controller Jeff McConney and his deputy Deb Tarasoff, both of whom testified at trial. The defense suggested in opening statements that Trump could be acquitted since he himself did not enter accounting records but left it to others.

"Explaining the law around the specific charges here will likely be more challenging and contentious than in a typical assault or robbery case because of the way this case is charged," Bader said. "It will be interesting to see what federal or state election law is explained to the jurors in the judge's charge."

Much of the case will hinge on whose story jurors believe -- do they trust Trump, whose attorneys say he paid the hush money not to influence the election, but to protect his family and reputation? Or do they believe former Trump fixer Michael Cohen and the other witnesses who support his claims? The defense has painted the prosecution's star witness as a serial liar with a vendetta against the former president.


But how the jury approaches the issue of credibility is inherently subjective and impossible to predict.

"They can choose to accept all, part or none of the testimony of any witness -- as they are the sole arbiters of credibility," Bader said.

If Trump is found guilty, the defense can be expected to appeal the conviction, in which case jury instructions can play a pivotal role.

"Because a judge’s charging decisions rest on determinations of law, they are fertile ground for appeal," Bader said.


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Trump is charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records -- a crime that can be tried as a misdemeanor, but may be elevated to a felony when the act was done in an effort to cover up an underlying crime.



Prosecutors have suggested

Oh? SUGGESTED? Are suggestions the same as felony charges now?
Quote:

Trump violated election laws by concealing a hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels in order to protect damaging information about himself from coming out ahead of the 2016 presidential race. Trump has pleaded not guilty and denied any wrongdoing.


The crime-within-a-crime nature of the felony charge means instructing the jury may be a complicated task. In a motion earlier in the case, Merchan ruled against requiring prosecutors to specifically identify the underlying crime they believe Trump committed -- but jurors will need to have a solid grasp on what that alleged underlying crime is in order to decide whether Trump is guilty of the felony charges.


So, this specific misdemeanor can ONLY be elevated to a felony when there IS an underlying crime. No underlying crime specified, it is a misdemeanor.
Prosecutors have never specified or charged any underlying crime.
Jurors never specified any underlying crime that they judged Trump to be guilty of.
So, 1 misdemeanor committed by Accountant minions in the employ of Trump, divided into 3 parts each time, and multiplied times 11 Invoices which were paid, equals 34 misdemeanors.

How gullible can Libtards become?
Next, they will spout that 2020 was an Honest Election.

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Sunday, June 2, 2024 10:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


As far as i can tell it's a complete non-issue.

I've had conversations with pretty much anybody I ever talk to since it's happened, including most of my neighbors given the time of year that it is and the amount of time I've spent outside in the last week. The only person who's even brought it up is my old man, and that was just to see if I'd heard about, since both of us have been busier than usual recently and haven't talked much politics. We had a good laugh over it.

I can only imagine how much the middle class and rich Democrat voters have talked about it with everybody in their echo chamber though. Whatever that answer is, they'd say that it wasn't enough.


So really... what's changed?

Nothing.

The people who haven't stopped talking about Trump every day of the year since 2016 get to talk about Trump some more every day. Everybody who wasn't already obsessing over him will go right no not obsessing about him.

*yawn*

Wake me up when June 27th comes so I can watch one old white man verbally destroy another old white man with dementia in front of the entire world.



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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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Sunday, June 2, 2024 11:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You want to see something creepy? Watch what Joe Biden* did when he was doing his regular walking off the stage to avoid any questions after reading the teleprompter when he was asked by a reporter "Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly. What is your response to that, Sir?" at 0:36 on the second video.

If that look doesn't let you know the evil that's unfolding right now, there's no hope for you.



Looks like Axios realizes how bad a look that was for Joe Biden.


Biden smile on Trump's 'political prisoner' claim makes campaign video



Like, fuckin' hell dude. That whole exchange was cartoon levels of mustache-twirling, James Bond Villain evil.

What the fuck is wrong with Joe Biden*? You'd expect that twisted reaction out of Hillary Clinton, sure, but I don't think anybody at the Joe Biden* campaign was smiling when they saw their meat popsicle do that.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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Monday, June 3, 2024 12:00 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You want to see something creepy? Watch what Joe Biden* did when he was doing his regular walking off the stage to avoid any questions after reading the teleprompter when he was asked by a reporter "Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly. What is your response to that, Sir?" at 0:36 on the second video.

If that look doesn't let you know the evil that's unfolding right now, there's no hope for you.



Looks like Axios realizes how bad a look that was for Joe Biden.


Biden smile on Trump's 'political prisoner' claim makes campaign video



Like, fuckin' hell dude. That whole exchange was cartoon levels of mustache-twirling, James Bond Villain evil.

What the fuck is wrong with Joe Biden*? You'd expect that twisted reaction out of Hillary Clinton, sure, but I don't think anybody at the Joe Biden* campaign was smiling when they saw their meat popsicle do that.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

I already heard days ago folk say that should be put on a loop.
And played endlessly, everywhere.

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Saturday, June 8, 2024 12:41 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Results?

Trump Campaign website crashed due to volume - over $35 M contributed in the 20 hours following "Guilty" announcement.
RNC Donation site also crashed due to volume.



Sen Joe Manchion announced he is switching from Democrap to Independent.
So Senate is now 49 Republicans and 47 Democraps, with 4 independents. If GOP Senators develop a spine, some work could get done.
Every Impeachment must be Tried in the same session of Congress, not carried over to the next Session. So all of the current Impeachments pending Senate Trial should be able to get tried, convicted, and removed.

New poll shows Trump and Obiden in dead heat in VA.

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