It Should Be Obvious By Now That Not Everyone Can Become An American by 6ixStringJack

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It Should Be Obvious By Now That Not Everyone Can Become An American

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Monday, July 14, 2025 3:36 PM

We have to reject the toxic multicultural ideology, popular for many decades, that degrades citizenship to mere process neutralism.

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There is perhaps no greater issue in American life today than the debate over citizenship and national identity. I don’t just mean the debate over illegal immigration, which often serves as a kind of proxy for the underlying debate over what it means to be an American and preserve a distinctly American nation.

Yes, we have to secure our border and put a stop to illegal immigration. But that’s just part — and arguably a small part — of a much larger and more difficult problem, which concerns American identity, national sovereignty, and cultural cohesion.

I wrote last week that in America today not everyone with citizenship is actually an American. To some, this might sound incendiary or extreme. Certainly it violates the tenets of multiculturalism that have been ascendent in America for decades now. But it’s actually just a straightforward observation of reality — so long as we understand that being an American means something more than merely securing legal documents or going through a neutral administrative process. Doing so might confer citizenship, but it will not make someone an American.

Vice President J.D. Vance hit on this in a speech for the Claremont Institute over the weekend. “You cannot swap 10 million people from anywhere in the world and expect America to remain unchanged,” he said. “You cannot export the Constitution to some random country and expect the same kind of government. Our citizens are not interchangeable cogs in the global economy.”

Vance is exactly right, and his point gets at the heart of what we’re really debating when we argue about border security, or mass deportations, or immigration visas. The reason we have an immigration system at all, at least in theory, is to ensure that we know who comes into this country and that they come in on our terms and for our benefit. It is our interests, not those of would-be immigrants or asylum-seekers, that our immigration system should strive to serve above all.

But beyond immigration, Vance is touching on something essential about America that has been largely lost, suppressed really, for more than a generation: America is not just a “propositional nation,” not just an idea but a people. That’s why you cannot export the Constitution to some random country and expect the same kind of government or suddenly import millions of people from foreign lands and expect America to survive. We are not a set of abstract propositions to which anyone from any part of the world can assent and suddenly become an American. We are a people with a common language, culture, history, customs, and so on.

About 20 years ago, Pat Buchanan had a more pugnacious version of what Vance said: “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase.”

This is an important point, and it has to be asserted even at the risk of being falsely accused of racism or xenophobia. A nation requires a certain amount of cultural cohesion — common language, customs, morality, and way of life. That means some cultures and creeds are simply not compatible with American civilization. Multiculturalism, in other words, is a dangerous delusion that, combined with mass immigration, is a nation-destroyer.

And while it’s true that part of our American heritage is a belief in the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence — like “all men are created equal” that apply universally, to all people — it’s totally wrong to claim that our national identity begins and ends with that set of principles, and that therefore anyone who adopts them is by definition an American.

For one thing, not every creed and culture will accept the thoroughly Christian proposition that all men are created equal. And even if a foreigner did accept it in theory, that would still not be enough to make him an American if he had not also assimilated in all the other, very much non-theoretical ways that are required to join a nation and become part of its people.

Many people on the left don’t seem to grasp this, or they cannot accept it. For them, citizenship in the narrow, legal sense is all that matters. They cannot conceive of nationalism or national identity as anything but process neutralism. In this way, they are able to embrace multiculturalism in the misguided belief that religious or cultural differences aren’t really all that important so long as one meets the minimum standard for legal status.

A recent exchange in Britain illuminates this mode of thought on the left. Batya Ungar-Sargon, the deputy opinion editor of Newsweek and a self-avowed Trump-supporting leftist, said in a recent debate that “to question whether citizens of your country are incompatible with the values of your country because of their faith is disgusting.” In her mind, there are no religious belief systems that might render some peoples incompatible with the West, and even to suggest so is somehow offensive.

She was responding to earlier remarks by Matt Goodwin, who suggested that Islam is incompatible with the West. During the Q&A, Connor Tomlinson, a conservative commentator, challenged Ungar-Sargon on the notion that it’s “disgusting” to suggest Islam is incompatible with British culture, citing statistics about the overrepresentation of Pakistani men in sex crimes in the U.K., as well as survey data showing that three-quarters of university educated, British-born Pakistani Muslims don’t think the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel really happened.

Ungar-Sargon’s reply encapsulates the view of nationhood as mere legal citizenship, without any of the cultural, religious, or historical ties that make up a people: “I’m sorry but those are your citizens. Citizenship is the only human right that every person has a right to … I’m not arguing that you don’t have a cultural problem here in a certain subset of the citizenry of your country. But a country is made up of the people who live there, who have that legal right. You need to work a lot harder on changing hearts and minds because you cannot simply say that a certain citizen of your country is not compatible.”

She then said, sarcastically, “What are you suggesting, that they be denaturalized?” At this, the crowd erupted in applause. Undeterred, Ungar-Sargon declared the notion was “insane,” and that “you do not have a democracy if you think you can denaturalize people based on their ideas.”

Ungar-Sargon might be surprised to learn that here in America you actually can denaturalize and deport foreigners based on their ideas — specifically, on whether they misrepresented their views during the naturalization process, which includes questions about a person’s past support for communism, among other things. Naturalization also includes a commitment to our Constitution and laws. The Oath of Allegiance that all foreign nationals must take before becoming naturalized includes the statement, “I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

The point here is that we have codified in federal statute a defense mechanism, however rarely used these days, against foreigners who espouse ideas that are actually incompatible with American culture and government from ever becoming citizens. We do this because we understand that national survival requires a certain level of coherence, and that tolerance for foreign beliefs and ideas can only go so far.

Ungar-Sargon’s hazy notion that it’s “disgusting” or “insane” for a nation to insist on cultural coherence betrays a fundamentally degraded view of both citizenship and the nation. She is fundamentally wrong when she insists that a citizen of Britain or America cannot, by virtue of their citizenship, have views and beliefs that are incompatible with Western civilization. Of course they can. There are tens of millions of such people all across the West, and unless we stop allowing them in, we’re going to lose our civilization. And we’ll deserve to lose it.

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Tuesday, July 15, 2025 1:23 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

That opinion is by John Daniel Davidson.

Because the new Woke Superman refuses to fight for Truth, Justice, and The American Way, we should probably deport him.

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Saturday, July 19, 2025 12:03 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

the ethnostate theocratic Christ Killers of Israel are not 'Western Civilization' and the sandbox is not Western, the Hindi and their Caste is not 'Western' and a North Korean Communist praying to 'Kim' is not 'the West' and neither is a socialist praying to Chavez or Maduro, jihadi islamo mohammedans are not Western civilization.

Jefferson didn’t accept that Jesus was more than just a great teacher., Jefferson created a “Jefferson Bible” that emphasized Jesus only as a teacher of ethics and removed stories about God’s many miracles...focused on the guy that was hard to anger but sometimes would whip the Jew from the Temples?

if you do Voodoo rituals that torture chickens ...is that vodoo sandbox culture is that 'Becoming an American'...tell your people to do crimes, but then say if you do a bloody chicken torture ritual the Chosen Person jew avoids going to hell...and a bird is tricked...just a stupid 'Goyim' get tricked

senile Reagan was a moron and so was every other President after that era, as bad and corrupt as Trump is at least for a very brief moment it seemed to offer something different

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“You cannot export the Constitution to some random country and expect the same kind of government. Our citizens are not interchangeable cogs in the global economy.”

Liberia or Libya...is there a difference?

one of them had the US Constitution

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Saturday, July 19, 2025 4:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

What's your hard on for Trump about?

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Saturday, July 19, 2025 4:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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What's your hard on for Trump about?

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

He is still illiterate.

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Sunday, July 20, 2025 12:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Since we dont have a national identity anymore, it's difficult to measure anyone against something that doesn't exist.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

"Constant monitoring of behavior, emotion, and identity breeds conformity, judgment, and fear."

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Sunday, July 20, 2025 1:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Since we dont have a national identity anymore, it's difficult to measure anyone against something that doesn't exist.

That might just be the most depressing sentence that I've read.

Not because it's wrong. But because I don't know how to build an argument against it. And because even when we did, a lot of that was just built on propoganda for a simpler people during much simpler times.

Don't mean to be insulting when I say it like that. Not even referencing the overall intelligence either, as they probably were quite a bit more intelligent on the average just because most of them had to be for one reason or another, not even counting the lack of technology.

They just weren't dialed in 24/7 and hadn't had two or three generations of their family getting fucked on the regular behind them is all. They didn't have any reasons not to believe 'em when they came knocking on the door and saying "we're from the government and we're here to help".

Could be just nostalgia speaking, because we're all guilty of that to some degree. But I think my generation is probably the last that really got a taste of that older and better world before it all changed. Got to spend at least a few years as a young adult before 9/11 happened, and another decade or so before smartphones fried everyone's brains.

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Sunday, July 20, 2025 6:57 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

end dual citizenship

as a collection of people the USA can be very schizo but some people make their disgusting positions very clear

I doubt very much the vile Anti-American retard JewishStateFAN has read a book in the past ten years.
JewishStateFAN a rotting decaying pea brain.
No moral value no USA position other than Zion Judea, sneaks into conversations nasty and rodent like, shouts some idiotic Zionist nonsense from the dead McCain or Rush Limbaugh bumper sticker! Vile and shapeshifts chameleon like even as much as Soros, Piers Morgan or Ghislane Maxwell, scurries away again back into the shape shifter political Canadian Jew Israeli une province du Canada rat hole from which he came.

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That might just be the most depressing sentence that I've read.

Time to put an end to the dual citizens?

Arab mohammeadans nasty infiltration but the Jews can be some of the most nasty ungrateful people, the USA dying and bleeding on those beaches yet there are Jewish who hate them.
even cheer the bombing of the USS Liberty!?
The USA prays to Jew Walls, forbidden speech, wrong thinking, Orwell and a sleazy media banker eye watching! and despite the Philosemitism, also called Judeophilia in the USA, they will still hate...a big scam to worship a shapeshifting criminal culture and 'Tricky' so trick the Goyim because the USA is a 'sucker' just like they have suckered hundreds of other nations and kingdoms. Oh but 'we did no crime'! they say and been thrown out and banned from those Kingdoms, banned out of dozens of coutries for centuries. One of the worst things you can be to the Jew Zionist Israeli is the 'Freier' or frayer, they can put a puppet show on stage but if you get tricked by their puppets or swindles or Golems or fake counterfeit money you are the sucker, you are the lowest of the low, below a criminal...a sap, a patsy, to be suckered is one of the worst things in Jewish society.
The Arab Iranian Pakistani Morocco types have also managed to sneak inside, they are less sophisticated and are more likely to suicide bomb or hijack planes and fly them into buildings...but to go into the whole Saudi 911 cover-up would open up a whole other world of conspiracy.

The corrupt and depression? What I see is Presidents who promise everything, mobs go out, zombie votes or maybe people who just want something different 'Hopium' a new man or woman is on stage they get worshiped for a while. The USA tries to kick the can down the road before the next recession and more Foreign Taxes to fund walls for Israel? For a while they USA also fought to keep former French culture, it would worry about Lebanon or Haiti or Vietnam French Indo-China... then the USA just gave up caring for a decaying culture that did not even care for itself. The Eastern Europe front? You really don't know what he is going to do with Russia and Ukraine, he might tweet something nice one day and then get angry see something on social media and post something totally opposite on social media another day.
He doesn't like big Groups, the EU, Brics, he prefers single personalities and Trump likes talking one-on-one with people, mono e mono a mishearing vs mano a mano, Trump wants his hand to hand one-to-one deal.
Francophiles, giving a crap for their dying former French empire...that's over!
I wouldnt go to France or FRANCE IS NO LONER FRANCE! but I think Trump would like if Britain remained 'British'.

The Founding Fathers would probably see a lot of the religion that are in the USA today as some kind of Devilish Satanic Abomination.

What's the postcard picture? Christian Nuclear Family, you're free in America to speak, the government leaves you alone! and Cowboy with Wife on a small farm with gun, you can go to the big city to make money or stay in the countryside playing an old guitar or banjo or read a book where everyone could one day be free.

After winning the 'Cold War' against the Soviets everyone was going to be free. It was 'Obvious' something was wrong. People complained of decay , maybe the rise of crime or economic depressions or pollution in the air and rivers was the start of the bad smell. What is the USA truly is it Christianity the Traditional American Nuclear Family?
How can you truly know where you've traveled without the history, a history of Independence movement and significant military engagements but then it changed. If they get rid of dual citizens you get rid of those people in the USA who have truly loyalty somewhere else, you get rid of the Royal British La Citoyenneté Canadienne hiding inside the USA, dual Jewish Israeli. JewishStateFAN has already openly cheered the bombing of the US Liberty and the killing of US Sailores, Marines, US Citizens while lying to the Goy, claiming to be a born and bred patriot Americana USA all the way. If he's some type of inbred Jew I might understand his cowardice and religious psychotic madness but if he's just one of those 'White Evangelicals' thats even more pathetic. Right or Left just watch how random people from a crowd answer questions, everyone is getting dumber.

Ive asked it before. Nobody will tell you where it goes because nobody can define where it came from and what it is anymore. People can define the Greeks, the Roman Empire, they can almost define China but What is America, is it free speech, the Bible, the guns, is it the toons the silly 'entertainment' and books inspired by European and other cultures? Almost before the USA was even born it was at war with North African islamics 'the Barbary Wars'. 'Rome Peace' then Pax Britannica concept and then Pax Americana Latin for 'American Peace', they say peace for the world but maybe it got messed up with all these proxy wars and terrorists and cold war politics? is it about holding influence inside that world map, the seas that were attacked by pirates and smugglers seas once French or British or Spanish, Puerto Rican, Cuba...the effects from wars long ago still lasting.

People like revisionism now and criticize, people were treated bad in the past in our new SJW era politics. Is the USA about 'Freeing the Slaves' Since the dawn of time people invaded others took slaves and sold slaves, maybe even many Jewish and Arab and Blacks also got rich from this but you won't hear of that in our modern political society. However now we hear USA is about Freeing Blacks sold to the USA to plow or 'plough' and dig some filed like a work animal, Black Africans pikcing cotton or is the USA story 'Slavery' as a Cause of the Civil War? Slavery was a big deal in the USA, it existed in the USA since the Seventeenth Century. Southern and Northern states disagreed about the role of slavery in society. Some will say its older than slaves...the Native American! Is it stolen land, tough colonial cowboy guys with guns had better guns and took territory from Natives a more simple life. The Native dead, a proud collection of tribes of people who eventually got guns but mostly used bow and arrow, maybe they left something behind, the Native respect for Nature, a five note Pentatonic scale and melody maybe the left behind folklore a sad story about people who will be over run on a fover changing globalist landscape and maybe other scary stories a curse like the 'mothman' no its a land you can buy a business opportunity. Is the USA a place where you can buy the Moon, Venus and Mercury, like Alaska Purchase from the Russian Empire by the United States in 1867 and Russia had worries about British Canadians, is it expansionism like Rome and all those wars against Spanish, is it diplomacy Thomas Jefferson writer, architect, naturalist, inventor, diplomat, and educator a Founding Father and a President bought a huge land area called the Louisiana Purchase for $15 million from France 'Vente de la Louisiane. Or is it about your speech, the Bible, your bit of land with a 'gun' to defend yourself from the governments!

USA the Empire? It became an accidental power but the White House had to get burnt down by Canadians first for the politicians to fear no its not Canada gov! Dont blame Canada no, not Canada don't attack us Canada did not burn down the White House; it was British troops who set fire to it during the War of 1812. After almost taking over the world the Spanish Medieval, Catholic Monarchy, Habsburg Spain, Bourbon Spain disastrous leaders Spain joined the Canada British plan but they are losers. So the USA teams up with Choctaw Nation, Cherokee Nation Spain loses West Florida. Spain still wants 'action' Part of Spanish expeditions to the Pacific Northwest and Russo-Spanish Rivalry in the Pacific. Spanish-Russian Skirmishes on California and Alaska back home in Europe the Spanish empire was dying British problems, Dutch problems, Italy problems, Arab problems, Russia problems but then panic with the arrival of French Empire and Napoleon’s Invasion of Spain. This was like the Fall of the USSR of its time, Mexican republicans in wars. Supported by United States, Spain continues losing to an expanding USA....the accidental power the USA. Theodore Roosevelt and trade "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far" A continued involvement of world affairs with Venezuelan Crisis of 1902–1903

As Spanish power dies the battles go back and forth Spanish American wars of independence from Latin America to the Philippines. Even right up to WW1 then WW2 the USA was an isolationist accidental power.

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Since we dont have a national identity anymore, it's difficult to measure anyone against something that doesn't exist.

Isnt dual loyalty a problem? isnt that how those Arab got into the USA, open border policy moving around inside the USA but training how to fly planes in a direction but didnt train how to land an aircraft? and still no alarm bells after Reagan running like a coward from Lebanon or 1993 World Trade Center bombing

911? maybe '911' and the 'War on Terror' changed it all, just another endless war like the war on drugs, war on crime, war on poverty etc

I would disagree with Huntington in that 'French' or 'Spanish' or Germans' are the same as the USA, the common things between cultures splits as the cultural gap widens.

but at least Huntington asked the question

I can not tell you how long the USA has been invaded by a "fifth column" maybe the secret societies event have always been there, the Jewish-Israeli call you 'Goyim' the Arab Iranian muslim even more intolerant and hateful despise the 'infidels. the Roman Catholic Church another group riddled with corruption and pedophilia. On the East of Europe, Marxist Bolseviks by books and immigration they spread their weird Russo Slavic flavors of politics.
Before all this since the Founding of the USA the "fifth column" was without doubt Freemasonry, the Pagan, Robes and Symbols, Masonic Lodges all over the USA.
As Colonists would arrive in America they would leave behind all their old political problems and religion wars, there were huge murder events between Catholics and Protestant and other faiths, Founding Fathers, they were all some falvor of Christian or liked to Christianity, Deism, and White WASP Christianity. There were not all the same religion, there were other Protestant groups included the Society of Friends Quakers, the Lutherans, and the Dutch Reformed, George Fox an English Dissenter, who was a founder of the Religious Society of Friends. The Founders were religious rationalists or Unitarians, they were Pastors and other writers who identify themselves as Evangelicals, there were a lot of British types White WASP, Rome or Scotland is there Charles Carroll and Daniel Carroll of Maryland and Thomas Fitzsimmons of Pennsylvania—were of Roman Catholic heritage, if 'Deism' existed then it complicates the actual beliefs of the Founders. They all had faith or believed in a God who, to various degrees is described in the Christian Bible.
However a lot of Founding Fathers were also 'Freemasons' A LOT of them, did Masons support foreign taxes for their lodges and babylon beliefs?
It was also about Alien Tax imposed on the USA, a rebellion against foreign taxes The Boston Tea Party, a pivotal event in American history of White, they were Anglo Saxon Protestant who didnt want to be ruled by a foreign English King.

There is a lot of evidnece Colombus was not the first, Vikings were there maybe Chinese also, Pre-Columbian transoceanic contact theories, maybe even the Welsh, there were anicent Eskimo Native America migrations over the Beringia land bridge, Native cultures from Alaska to Siberia which during the glacial period joined what today are Siberia and Alaska, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that humans migrated to the North American continent via Siberia, Inupiat, the Sami of Finland, the Canadian Inuit, and the Greenlandic Inuit and the Yupik or Yuit of eastern Siberia and Alaska and Aleuts, all share similar language and DNA but this was a Wild time before the USA even existed, before civilization, Norway for example only got its first 'Sami' peoples parliament opened on 9th day of October 1989.
When Western Civilisation and politics was arriving in North America it was also Anti Freemason since its origin, although some Founding Fathers were Mason the USA was also Anti-Mason.
The Anti-Masonic Party was there since the start, also known as the Anti-Masonic Movement was the first “third party” in the United States

Samuel P. Huntington - The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

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Sunday, July 20, 2025 8:49 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

there are things Trump has done that I like such as baning immigration from jihadi terror states, it was not a 'Muslim Ban'unlike the lying news media claims. Trump didnt just ban jihaid muzzies or muslim illegals, Venezuela, North Korea were banned and they are not islamic

is there a better option?

"Dual citizens elected to the United States Congress should renounce citizenship in all other countries," said Rep. Massie
ZionDon President Trump Says There Are No Files, Wants to Sue the News ...Shut It Down!! and Epstein Critics are Being Used by Hoax Obama Democrats...he is getting distracted with online tweets and fights online with Hollyweird celebrities then says he will tariff and sanction everything to rescue Hollyweird

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Sunday, July 20, 2025 3:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, I suppose we can start be defining what America is NOT: It's not Israel, Gaza, Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, Ukraine, Taiwan ... Libya, Iraq, Syria, Georgia, Romania, Poland, Russia or any of the OTHER nations in the world. America isn't even Canada or NATO.

So anyone, IMHO, who works for the well-being or security of another nation is a traitor, bc working for the well being of another nation inevitably means spending treasure (i.e. taxpayer money) if not blood, and means that someone is more loyal to another nation than to America.

IMHO America DOES have foreign interests, but they're about resources that we necessarily buy from other nations, and trade routes.

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TO CONTINUE:

And JAYNZE, I agree: dual citizenship? Shouldn't be allowed.

Also, America isn't the military, as much as THGR seems to think. (BTW I suspect THGR isn't American.) The military is meant to protect America and our legitimate interests abraod, but it doesn't define America.

America isn't corporations either. The FF and early Americans envisioned corporations as being limited to one commodity or activity (eg building a road, establishing a city) and limited in time to 20 years. Bc of their experience with the East India Crown Corporation, they were pretty wary of monopolies and world- straddling enterprises.

Some were pretty wary of banks, too. They were alive to the role of the Bank of England in maintaining colonial relationships in the British Empire.

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