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chinese lingo

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Tuesday, April 8, 2003 11:44 AM

Hi everyone,

I have a simple question concerning the Chinese inspired lingo that used frequently in the Firefly series.

I am a Danish translator who is working on the Danish subtitles for the series that will soon be aired on Danish television. Fortunately, my script is equipped with translations into English of these Chinese expressions. But I don't know whether I should translate them into Danish at all. I would like the Danish viewers to be equally "impaired", so if the lingo was translated for the American viewers, I will probably do the same. But if not, I'll just leave it be. Therefore I'd like to ask you what was done when the series was showing in the US.

Thanks a lot!

The Firefighter (DK)

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Tuesday, April 8, 2003 11:59 AM

GROOVYAL

hi!
nice to hear that some other(european) countries will be given the opportunity of enjoing this great show.
Looks like you havent seen it so far, didya?
Anyway, actually there were no translations in the original version neither there were subtitles so the viewers were left alone without any clue, without even knowing which language it was, and i think its a nice concept of bringing in something the people wouldnt understand, and would have to guess what it means, to my oppinion the fact the characters speaking chinese is a real nice idea and it shouldnt be translated in anyway. But this was only my view of the things, guess the answer to your question would be, "No, the chinese lines were not translated neither subtitled"

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Tuesday, April 8, 2003 12:19 PM

FIREFIGHTER

Hi again,

Thanks a lot for the fast reply to my question. No, you're absolutely right that there is no need to translate the Chinese. The Danes will have to the guessing by themselves, just as you did!

And no, I haven't seen it yet. Or rather, I have just begun translating the very first episode. I haven't formed an opinion yet, but it seems to be quite amusing and the manuscript well written. I am sad to hear that the show has been cancelled (hasn't it?), just I am sad that "Dark Angel" stopped after only two seasons. "Dark Angel" was my last subtitling assignment and second season has just begun showing on Danish television.

Sincerely,
Firefighter

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Tuesday, April 8, 2003 12:39 PM

PHYSICSCHICK

In any case, if you did put some of the Chinese translations in subtitles, you'd just have to censor them anyways.

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Tuesday, April 8, 2003 3:53 PM

LJC

The Mandarin in the scripts was written phoenetically so the actors could pronounce it, rather than in hanyu pinyin (the proper written form), and no translations were provided.

My personal suggestion would be to simply include the Mandarin in hanyu pinyin in the subtitles. Of course, it would help if you can *get* the pinyin. Any chance your employers could get it from FOX and/or Mutant Enemy?

And if you do, could you share? We'd love you forever *grin*

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Tuesday, April 8, 2003 7:42 PM

GROOVYAL

Hi!
You wouldn't mind if i'd make a suggestion concerning the translation, would ya?
Since i'm not an english native speaker it could have just my imagined all this but what i really like about FF is the language they speak. They use some really nice phrases that just sound real cool, like instead of just saying "i think you are crazy" zoe says "i think you've got a problem with your brain being missing" and stuff like that, so in order for the danish people like me, looking for some "erotics of words" (

) you could translate the phrases keeping their coolness.

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Tuesday, April 8, 2003 9:06 PM

FIREFIGHTER

Hi again,

Well, as for the scripts, I'd really like to help you find the proper Mandarin way of writing the expressions, but I am afraid that I will have to leave them out. Subtitles are meant as an aid for those who do not understand English and so there would be no point in writing the Mandarin phrases in Mandarin. Just as there is no point in subtitling the English phrases in English. But I hope you find the scripts, though!

And as for the colorful, "erotic", expressions in FF, I will certainly do my best to make them equally colorful in the subtitles. Actually, sometimes it is easier to translate "strange" expressions than the more common ones, because the latter often seem to "work" properly only in the source language. Movie phrases like "See you in court" or "Do you feel lucky (punk)" are so familiar to American English that they tend to sound strange when they are translated. So, I am actually looking forward to the colorfulness of FF!

Regards,
Firefighter

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Wednesday, April 9, 2003 3:39 AM

IDEFIX

one more suggestion from a non-native-english-speaker (in other word's I'm german and I've seen the US broadcasts without any subtitles).

for all your viewers that do speak english, but not perfectly you should include some hint, that the chinese is chinese. some of the characters of Firefly have (to non-native speakers) weird sounding pronunciation/dialects. I had to listen to some of it several times to understand all of the english. and having the hard to understand english mixed up with chinese and no hint it was chinese and not some even harder to understand english made it not really easier.

so include something like "swears in chinese" or so where appropriate. sometimes it wouldn't make any sense otherwise. when someone talks chinese and another answers in english oder so.

Idefix

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Friday, April 11, 2003 3:00 PM

LJC

so there would be no point in writing the Mandarin phrases in Mandarin

Well, in the spirit of preserving how the show was written, I imagine the point would be to add to the flavour of the universe the show created. Near as I can tell, the whole point of having the Mandarin in the show untranslated was to help create the feel of the world the writing staff had created. That these characters would all be bilingual, and would slip into Mandarin which the viewer would have to puzzle out via the context, rather than having it subtitled. That's why I assume the decisions was made to not translate the Mandarin for the English-speaking viewers.

Kidna like the whole entire scene in Italian without any subtitles in "Serpico." The point isn't what they're saying so much as the fact that they're saying it, adn the audience is left in the dark as to what exactly's being said, but has to puzzle it out...

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Friday, April 25, 2003 9:29 AM

RAVN

Hey, Hr Firefighter. Hvilken kanal kommer serien på? Og hvornår?

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Friday, April 25, 2003 10:41 AM

FIREFIGHTER

Den kommer på TV-2, men er ikke programsat endnu. Kender du da serien, siden du har forvildet dig ind på dette smalle fansite?

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Friday, April 25, 2003 10:51 AM

KAYTHRYN

To who ba whaba?

Hey, I caught "smalle fansite"!

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Friday, April 25, 2003 8:34 PM

FIREFIGHTER

Ha, ha! Sorry for that. Admitted, that wasn't a very nice move of us.

Well, the fellow asked on which channel and when Firefly will be aired in Denmark. And I told him that it hasn't been decided yet. Furthermore, I asked him if he already knows the show since another Dane has ended up on such a "narrow fansite" (smalle fansite!), meaning a site appealing to a relatively small group of dedicated fans.

That was basically it.

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Friday, April 25, 2003 8:48 PM

RAVN

Sorry for my lack of English, I will try to make up for it.

I know about this show because it was created by Joss Whedon, who also did Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which I am a fan of. Someone linked to this thread from the Danish Buffyboard: http://www.buffyfan.dk/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1569

So basically, if it's by Joss Whedon it's good, so hurry up with the translating.

Hee hee hee, these icons are awesome

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Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:02 AM

KAYTHRYN

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Posted by Firefighter:
Hi everyone,

I have a simple question concerning the Chinese inspired lingo that used frequently in the Firefly series.

I am a Danish translator who is working on the Danish subtitles for the series that will soon be aired on Danish television. Fortunately, my script is equipped with translations into English of these Chinese expressions. But I don't know whether I should translate them into Danish at all. I would like the Danish viewers to be equally "impaired", so if the lingo was translated for the American viewers, I will probably do the same. But if not, I'll just leave it be. Therefore I'd like to ask you what was done when the series was showing in the US.
Thanks a lot!

The Firefighter (DK)

Hi Firefighter,
There were never any Chinese to English subtitles on Firefly, and when I switched my television to show the captions, the Chinese remained in Chinese. Hope that helps,
Kaythryn

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Saturday, May 3, 2003 3:35 PM

DOCH

YEAH!! It's going to be shown here! The more countries showing this great show, the better the chances of saving Firefly.

Hey Firefighter, I hope TV2 isn't going to show the series in the same order as it was shown in the States. They really need to broadcast the pilot first.

BTW: The only reason I know about Firefly and have seen the episodes, is because I tried downloading one of them, and was hooked from the beginning. When I learned that they had cancelled the show, I was pretty devastated. I know I know, it's "just" a TV show, but it has so much spirit compared to 99% of all the other crap shown on TV.

Anyway I'm glad to hear it will be shown on TV2, and I hope it'll have lots of viewers. Even though Denmark is a small country every little bit helps

Regards
Doc from Denmark

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