X3 by Khyron

Yeah. I can't get any graphics online with dial-up, but I saw it during "24" on Monday night. Looked really good.

Although, I'm an old Marvel Comic reader from the 1960's through the late 1980's, so I'd probably go see it anyhow.

From the looks of it, I would say that Jean Grey is turning into the Dark Phoenix. I would gather that the consequences of that transformation, however, will more likely be carried over into the fourth film, and probably just be getting started in this one.

Still waiting for them to throw the Sentinels into the mix. What're they waiting for??

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:10 AM

Well actually, Cartoon, according to IMDB, this is going to be the last of the X-men feature films. So they're pretty much going to have to do the whole dark Phoenix arc in one movie. I've also heard that there's supposed to be Sentinels in this movie, though I don't know for sure. Anyway, I am definitely looking forward to seeing this movie.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:19 AM

MATTCOZ

I heard they used some of Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men for the story.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:23 AM

PARKER6097

I thought so too. I had heard it was gonnna be crap, but it does look good. I'm excited :)

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:27 AM

Having read a plot synopsis a few months ago, which seems to match the two trailers very closely, I have my reservations.

For one, the Dark Pheonix story is a very small part of the movie, which focuses more on the mutant cure. This is very dissapointing to me, becuase before he was more or less forced to leave, Bryan Singer had a big Pheonix epic in mind that would have spanned movies 3&4.

The other thing that bothers me is the liberties they are taking with the universe. Some small, like developing romances between characters who have never gone that route, while ignoreing some of the classic romances from the comic. Some liberties are bigger, like the deaths of at least 3 major characters, and others loosing their powers. That, and they have my least favorite character from the films, Storm, as the central figure in this film - but that's a personal beef.

However while they are saying this is the last X-Men movie, it's probably just the last from FOX. Marvel is taking back rights to a lot of their characters, since they made a deal last year to start producing their own movies. They already got back Hulk, and the X-Men are next - though FOX is keeping the rights to Wolverine and Magneto for solo spin-offs. Spider-man and Fantastic 4 are staying with Sony and FOX, respectively.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:30 AM

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Originally posted by mattcoz:
I heard they used some of Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men for the story.

Hadn't heard that anywhere. Though they might have needed to crib some story from elsewhere. The script they are shooting was written in 7 days -- acoording to the writers and the previouse director (Matthew Vaughn, who dropped out 6 weeks prior to shooting, over "creative differences").

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:00 AM

ISAACSHEPHERD

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Having read a plot synopsis a few months ago, which seems to match the two trailers very closely, I have my reservations.

For one, the Dark Pheonix story is a very small part of the movie, which focuses more on the mutant cure. This is very dissapointing to me, becuase before he was more or less forced to leave, Bryan Singer had a big Pheonix epic in mind that would have spanned movies 3&4.

The other thing that bothers me is the liberties they are taking with the universe. Some small, like developing romances between characters who have never gone that route, while ignoreing some of the classic romances from the comic. Some liberties are bigger, like the deaths of at least 3 major characters, and others loosing their powers. That, and they have my least favorite character from the films, Storm, as the central figure in this film - but that's a personal beef.

However while they are saying this is the last X-Men movie, it's probably just the last from FOX. Marvel is taking back rights to a lot of their characters, since they made a deal last year to start producing their own movies. They already got back Hulk, and the X-Men are next - though FOX is keeping the rights to Wolverine and Magneto for solo spin-offs. Spider-man and Fantastic 4 are staying with Sony and FOX, respectively.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

After reading what you had said I must applaud. I used to read the comics about 10 years ago so I'm a bit fuzzy on that. But I have been looking into what they are doing with the movie and I have found similar information.
I have heard Storm is at the center of atention, the saddest part is, she gave Fox the demand of more movie time or she's gone, and we can see what has happened from that.

I have been very disappointed in the fact that Gambit will not be in the series at all. The writers gave the horribly lame excuse where they coudln't time him in right. A good writer wouldn't have a problem with it in my opinion.
It looks like a good action movie, but I think this movie is taking a much different leap than the other X-Men series has. I can only pray this movie turns out good.
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Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:28 AM

If so, that's disappointing, Queen (BTW, long time no see. How're things?)...

Back in the late 1980's I tried to figure out how long it would take if they did the entire Dark Phoenix saga on film (staying true to the comics), and I figured at least 3 films (or two very long ones).

I thought the Dark Phoenix story was excellent as written, and they should've tried to film it that way (the whole finding Kitty Pryde, the White Queen, Mastermind's manipulation of Jean Grey, the Hellfire Club, her destroying planets, etc, the final confrontation on the moon). I think it was nine issues, altogether. And I say, if it ain't broke don't fix it. When you have a masterpiece, why tinker with it?

I'm deeply disappointed.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:39 AM

I couldn't really see them doing the Dark Pheonix story exactly as done in the comics. For one, there's a lot more back-story that would need to be told to set everything up properly. The other problem I would have with it, as cool as a story as it was, I don't think it'd fit the style and thematic nature of the films. To go from X1 & 2 as fairly realistic (within reason) films about mutants, to throwing in Alien empires, cosmic beings, planet eating, and a big fight on the moon would have been taking things too far from what worked in the previous films.

Which is not to say I don't think they could have made a killer Dark Pheonix story, just that I don't think it would have worked as a direct adaptation. Changes would need to be made, as they were for the previos films.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:44 AM

HAZE

Personally I’m glad it looks like they are going to let Magneto be Magneto in this film! Finally we get to see his virtually limitless mastery of magnetism.

I was kind of hoping Apocalypse would show up on the movie franchise sooner or later…

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:52 AM

I'd thought about that, too, Storymark, but there were ways it could've been successfully incorporated. (I even started a rough draft for it, myself, about 20 years ago.)

I agree with you, though, in that it couldn't have been done (started) with the third film, unless they'd incorporated other elements from it into the previous films. As such, they'd probably have to have realistically waited a few more films before they started the Dark Phoenix saga.

Either that, or have started incorporating those elements from the start -- which (as you pointed out) they didn't.

I also would've had the battle with the sentinels in space (I think that was issues #99 & 100), leading to the crash in Jamaica Bay (issue #101?) in a film prior to the saga -- which they also decided to skip.

Still, I believe that a direct adaptation could've been done successfully (if, as we agree, the background stuff was properly incorporated into the films leading up to it). I mean, if I could've outlined it 20 years ago, I'm sure these people who get paid to do those types of things should've been able to pull it off today.

(I think I started my draft by introducing the X-men in Scotland, in the aftermath of the Proteus story. At the time, I thought I did a good job with it. Although, that was 20 years ago, and what I thought was "good" 20 years ago, today I might look at and shudder.)

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by cartoon:
If so, that's disappointing, Queen (BTW, long time no see. How're things?)...

Back in the late 1980's I tried to figure out how long it would take if they did the entire Dark Phoenix saga on film (staying true to the comics), and I figured at least 3 films (or two very long ones).

I thought the Dark Phoenix story was excellent as written, and they should've tried to film it that way (the whole finding Kitty Pryde, the White Queen, Mastermind's manipulation of Jean Grey, the Hellfire Club, her destroying planets, etc, the final confrontation on the moon). I think it was nine issues, altogether. And I say, if it ain't broke don't fix it. When you have a masterpiece, why tinker with it?

I'm deeply disappointed.

Hey Cartoon, yeah I haven't been around much in a while. I haven't really seen any threads that captured my interest, so I've actually been working. Things are going good for me, how about you?

Anyway, I've never actually read the comics, but me and my brother lived on the TV series back in the day. As I recall, they had several episodes devoted entirely to the dark Phoenix arc, which was really great. That's why I was hoping we'd get a movie (or two) devoted to it, but that doesn't look to be the case. In fact, the more I hear about this movie, the more disappointing it sounds. It sounds like they're not only going to deviate from the comics, but also the first two movies, which I think will ruin the whole thing. It's the same mistake they made with the third Harry Potter. They went, "well, not only are we going to basically ignore the book, but we're going to completely change things from the first two movies too." And the third movie turned out to be crap, IMO, although lots of people seemed to like it.

I'm afraid that's what's going to happen with X3 as well, especially since the movie is going to center around Storm for some weird reason. It's not that I dislike Storm, it's just that Jean is coming back as the Phoenix, so it should center aruond her, right? At least, you'd think so. Sigh.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 10:39 AM

TEALCANDTRIP

According to this week's issue of Entertainment Weekly, they are planning a few spin-offs: one focusing on Hugh Jackman's wolverine, one focusing on the younger set of mutants, and a magneto prequel.

the Wolverine one would come first. They already have a second draft of the script.: http://yoursay.imdb.com/title/tt0458525/

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 10:55 AM

NDRAGE85

i feel rather negative about this movie. It's not on purpose, but many of the horrible rumors about the movie have been confirmed and I have very little faith in the people behind the screen. I enjoyed the first two a lot, especially the second one. But both of those were done by Bryan Singer and his team of writers. Singer got offered Superman Returns, which was his dream job, so he took his team of writers and left X3 for that. He told Fox if they would wait two years for him, he'd glady come back and do the movie with his team of writers. Fox, being the greedy bastards they are, couldn't wait and pushed forward with it. Everything in this movie has been beyond rushed. I heard that Joss offered to do it, but would need a little more time to get it done. They declined because they wanted to beat Singer by releasing X3 before Superman Returns. The sad thing is, Superman started production long before X3, and X3 is coming out first. Singer is making sure Superman is done right. Brett Ratner is directing, who i'm not too impressed by. Some of the writers had their hands in the other X-men movies, but the key writers were on Singer's team and went with him. Some of the writers for X3 have written for such movies as xXx: State of the Union and Fantastic 4. That isn't encouraging to me.
So yeah, to sum it up, i'm not too excited about this movie. I want it to be good, but i just have bad feelings about it. I really enjoyed the job that Singer did, and I wish Fox would have justed waited the two extra years instead of trying to cash in. I mean, they of all people should know that sequals can wait and still be hugely successful. Just look at Aliens, which came out 7 years after the original. At least it's good to know that Fox doesn't limit itself to only screwing over good TV shows. Oh wait, that isn't good to know. :(

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 10:59 AM

Hey, don't forget, those writers worked on Catwoman as wel.

So it's gotta be good. Right?

Uh... right?

Crap.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Hey Cartoon, yeah I haven't been around much in a while. I haven't really seen any threads that captured my interest, so I've actually been working. Things are going good for me, how about you?

Not too bad. No one's threatening to kill me with their brains anymore, so I feel a bit safer.

I haven't been in too many threads, either -- here in the general forum, that is. (I'm making a nuissance of myself in the "Real World Events" room, though.)(BTW, I'd avoid that place if I were you. Only nuts like me venture into places like that.)

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Anyway, I've never actually read the comics, but me and my brother lived on the TV series back in the day. As I recall, they had several episodes devoted entirely to the dark Phoenix arc, which was really great.

Oh, well I saw the TV series, too. And as much as I enjoyed the TV series, it didn't do justice to the books. The books were classics -- particularly the Clairmont years (mid-70's through late 80's). (I stopped reading around 1988, so I have no clue as to what's happened since then.)

There are things I don't like about the books (as with everything else in life), but I can think of few comic book runs better than the Uncanny X-Men (issues #94 through about #220). (EDIT: I just checked online. The Dark Phoenix saga ran from issues #129 through #137.) Probably the first 150 issues or so of the Amazing Spider-man is the only other run I'd compare to that run of the Uncanny X-Men.)

Anyhow, those issues would probably cost a fortune to get now, unless they've reprinted them, that is. But, I'd recommend them to anyone who likes not just the X-Men, but comics -- period.

Chris Clairmont's writing and John Byrne's art of the Dark Phoenix saga was top-rate.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
That's why I was hoping we'd get a movie (or two) devoted to it, but that doesn't look to be the case. In fact, the more I hear about this movie, the more disappointing it sounds. It sounds like they're not only going to deviate from the comics, but also the first two movies, which I think will ruin the whole thing.

Yeah, welcome to the world of Hollywood adaptations. Sometimes they get it close, but most of the time they mess it up royally.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
I'm afraid that's what's going to happen with X3 as well, especially since the movie is going to center around Storm for some weird reason. It's not that I dislike Storm, it's just that Jean is coming back as the Phoenix, so it should center aruond her, right? At least, you'd think so. Sigh.

Yeah. I was never a big fan of Storm, either. A chick who controls the weather. Big deal. (I don't care much for meteorologists, either.)

If anything, I think they should've hired Chris Clairmont to oversee the writing of all of the X-Men films. His run as writer on that series stands second to none. It certainly wouldn't have hurt to have him aboard in some capacity. But, no, that would actually make sense, and Hollywood (if nothing else) is ever consistent in never making any sense.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 11:43 AM

KHYRON

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(BTW, I'd avoid that place if I were you. Only nuts like me venture into places like that.)

Oi! I'm in no way a nut like you! You're more of an almond, whereas I'm just like a walnut. There's a huge difference! Come over to RWED and we can slug this out properly! Oh wait, it's time for my 2pm breakfast. Hmmm, it's raining sunshine today! Where did I put my earmuffs...? Zoik!

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Oi! I'm in no way a nut like you! You're more of an almond, whereas I'm just like a walnut. There's a huge difference! Come over to RWED and we can slug this out properly!

LOL

Actually, most people would probably say I'm the broken shell that used to contain the nut.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 11:51 AM

AGIRLYMAN

This sequel looks amazing, they are following one of my favorite storylines, I can't wait to see this on the big screen!

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 11:55 AM

KIZYR

I was a mild fan of the comics (never got into comics period, being the reason), and grew up watching the cartoon series.

I really liked the first X-Men, and absolutely loved X2. It still stands at my favorite superhero film (Batman Begins being a very, very close second), mostly because of how much I feel I can relate to it. It's the atmosphere about X-Men that always got me, so I'm really optimistic about X3.

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Originally posted by cartoon:
Still waiting for them to throw the Sentinels into the mix. What're they waiting for??

If they do put in Sentinels, I'm hoping they do so discretely. Giant robots seems like it'd detract way too much from the universe they've established in the films. Now, The Operative-like secret assassins as Sentinels, that I think I would thoroughly enjoy.

It goes along with a golden (lowercase) rule... What works in one medium doesn't always work in another. So, what's good in comics might not work on-screen, what works on TV might not work in movies, what works in movies might not work in books, and so on. Rather than getting hung up over what's different, it's better to take the movies as movies in their own right. Hell, I mean, comic series themselves are seldom internally consistent.

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Originally posted by IsaacShepherd:
I have heard Storm is at the center of atention, the saddest part is, she gave Fox the demand of more movie time or she's gone, and we can see what has happened from that.

Pfft, I'd rather see her axed. Halle Berry's ego has gotten so big that she just has to be central to everything. Considering her lousy acting as Storm, I'd rather see Storm cut out entirely than Halle play a significant role in X3. KF

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Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
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Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by cartoon:
[Not too bad. No one's threatening to kill me with their brains anymore, so I feel a bit safer.

Ah, so you've gone soft and weak in my absence.

I've never read many comics, other than Archie comics, because there isn't a comic book store within 100 kms of where I live. So it's kinda difficult for me to get ahold of comics. Which is a shame, because I'd really like to read some of the X-men and the Firefly comics. But, what are you gonna do?

I hope that they put the old X-men TV series on DVD. That would be fantastic. I'd buy them right away. I'm actually surprised they haven't tried to capitalize on that, what with the success of the movies and all.

Anyway, here's hoping the movie doesn't suck. If it does, I guess I just won't buy the DVD of it.

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Ah, so you've gone soft and weak in my absence.

Yes, I suppose that's it. I admit, I'm weak without your constant nag, nag, nag, nag, nagging...

Did I say that out loud? Oh dear...

(Mental note to self: do not type what you're thinking)

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
I've never read many comics, other than Archie comics, because there isn't a comic book store within 100 kms of where I live. So it's kinda difficult for me to get ahold of comics. Which is a shame, because I'd really like to read some of the X-men and the Firefly comics. But, what are you gonna do?

Oh, you poor deprived person from the North...

Just between you and I, I'll let you in on a little secret. There's this thing called the internet, and there are places there where you can find just about everything (provided you have a piece of plastic in good standing, that is).

I can't really offer a thorough comment on any comics after 1988 (when I stopped collecting for the final time). The few I saw subsequent to that period were pretty bad. And I imagine back issues of the classics would cost more than a mortgage (wish I kept mine).

But, I'm pretty sure they've reprinted most of the classics. (I know you can get the first 100 issues of Spiderman in trade paperback -- albeit in B&W) They used to have a trade paperback of the Dark Phoenix saga, too, which I'm sure you can find online. Although, you really want the back story (which may not be reprinted), and then once they hook you, you'll want the subsequent 100 issues or so (and I'm not sure if they're reprinted either).

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:55 PM

AGIRLYMAN

Regardless of what "Halle Berry" wants, Storm was leader of the Xmen for quite awhile, she deserves more screen time.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

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Thursday, March 9, 2006 1:11 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
cosmic beings, planet eating...

Re-reading your post, Storymark, I'm wondering what you think the chances are then of ever seeing Galactus in any subsequent "Fantastic Four" film?

I agree with you that it's a stretch to go in that sort of direction if they don't already have a leaning that way in the initial film. Although, they did have a certain "cosmic" leaning in the FF film, so maybe...

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Friday, March 10, 2006 3:33 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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That, and they have my least favorite character from the films, Storm, as the central figure in this film - but that's a personal beef.

You can thank Halle Berry for that Storymark. Her whinging and threatening to not do the movie if the story didn't focus more on her forced the powers that be to put her front & center. I personally wish they had let her walk and cast someone as Storm who was less a self absorbed diva.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 4:51 AM

GWENHARKER

Because I'm shallow...

Was really hoping for the Gambit/Rogue storyline since Bobby is obviously jumping Kitty.

/shallowness

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Friday, March 10, 2006 5:47 AM

CHRISPV

Personally, my beef is that the trailer seems to

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confirm that they're going to be killing off my beloved Cyclops. First he gets about six minutes of screen time in X2, now they're going to kill him. Damn.

Halle Berry annoys me no end. I read a review for Catwoman that compared her to Sharon Stone, they were both actresses of dubious quality who got famous for flashing their private bits at the screen. Hopefully Halle will wind up in Sharon's boat, revisiting the role that made her famous twenty years later in a film that no one really wanted to see.

Plus, she had Storm drop the "g" off of a word. That's just not right. To paraphrase Joss, "By the goddess, that woman can enunciate."

Or at least, Storm SHOULD be able to enunciate. I'm just glad Halle dropped that ludicrous faux African accent from the first film.

Why is this woman an Oscar winner again? I always say that anyone who has sex with Billy Bob Thornton deserves an award, but this isn't exactly what I meant.

Okay, rant over.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

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Friday, March 10, 2006 6:08 AM

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Originally posted by agirlyman:
Regardless of what "Halle Berry" wants, Storm was leader of the Xmen for quite awhile, she deserves more screen time.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

Sure, if they'd handled the character right. But Cyclops was team leader for much longer, had the least screen-time in the previouse films, and is essentially just a cameo in this.

Storm being the central chacracter has little to do with the comics, and everything to do with Ms. Berry and her gold statue.

And I'm still just irked that in a movie that involved Dark Pheonix, the love story in the film is between Storm and Wolverine (who never got together) and Iceman and Kitty (ditto). They should have done Kitty and Collossus at least.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 6:13 AM

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Originally posted by cartoon:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
cosmic beings, planet eating...

Re-reading your post, Storymark, I'm wondering what you think the chances are then of ever seeing Galactus in any subsequent "Fantastic Four" film?

I agree with you that it's a stretch to go in that sort of direction if they don't already have a leaning that way in the initial film. Although, they did have a certain "cosmic" leaning in the FF film, so maybe...

I think Galactus would work in a FF movie, because, like you said, FF has a more cosmic vibe to it. And, according to the press release about re-hiring the writers and director of FF1 to do FF2, they are useing the Galactus/Silver Surfer storyline for FF2.

That said, I thought the first one was pretty weak. Not terrible, but a wasted opprotunity, IMO. They had better have some really killer trailers before I'm paying to see a sequel to that one.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 6:16 AM

SADLITTLEKING

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Originally posted by ndrage85:
i feel rather negative about this movie. It's not on purpose, but many of the horrible rumors about the movie have been confirmed and I have very little faith in the people behind the screen. I enjoyed the first two a lot, especially the second one. But both of those were done by Bryan Singer and his team of writers. Singer got offered Superman Returns, which was his dream job, so he took his team of writers and left X3 for that. He told Fox if they would wait two years for him, he'd glady come back and do the movie with his team of writers. Fox, being the greedy bastards they are, couldn't wait and pushed forward with it. Everything in this movie has been beyond rushed. I heard that Joss offered to do it, but would need a little more time to get it done. They declined because they wanted to beat Singer by releasing X3 before Superman Returns. The sad thing is, Superman started production long before X3, and X3 is coming out first. Singer is making sure Superman is done right. Brett Ratner is directing, who i'm not too impressed by. Some of the writers had their hands in the other X-men movies, but the key writers were on Singer's team and went with him. Some of the writers for X3 have written for such movies as xXx: State of the Union and Fantastic 4. That isn't encouraging to me.
So yeah, to sum it up, i'm not too excited about this movie. I want it to be good, but i just have bad feelings about it. I really enjoyed the job that Singer did, and I wish Fox would have justed waited the two extra years instead of trying to cash in. I mean, they of all people should know that sequals can wait and still be hugely successful. Just look at Aliens, which came out 7 years after the original. At least it's good to know that Fox doesn't limit itself to only screwing over good TV shows. Oh wait, that isn't good to know. :(

I agree with you that Fox should've waited on Bryan Singer for X3. In the meantime, they could've went ahead with the Wolverine spin-off. Or the Magneto spin-off. Whatever. But I really wish they'd waited. This whole "We need to beat out Superman Returns." idea is just dumb. Let Supes have his day and make sure X3 is done with Bryan Singer at the helm. Oh well.

Anyway, I wasn't too optimistic when I saw the first trailer, but the second trailer is much better and has me really wanting to see the movie. I like the fact that Storm is the leader. She was always my favorite character. And it just makes sense that with the shake-up surrounding Jean's death, that she would take the lead. Also, having Dark Phoenix as a side story really doesn't bother me. Having to deal with what's become of Jean is like an added burden to everything that's already going on and doesn't strike me as something that could carry the film on its own. Finally, it would've been nice to see Gambit in X3. And I hear that the guy who plays Sawyer on Lost would've been perfect for the role. But the number of characters that have to be juggled in the short span of 2 hours is most likely what prevented Gambit from being in the film. It's a shame, but I think it would've been an injustice to give Gambit a very minor role.

But yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing X3. I hope it's at least good enough to make me buy the DVD and put it alongside X-Men and X2.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 6:24 AM

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Come over to RWED and we can slug this out properly!

*Chrisisall leaps into the air, Kirk-style, and lands on Khyron and Cartoon, the momentum rolling all three off General and into RWED for the big duke-a-roo*

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Friday, March 10, 2006 8:00 AM

DAISYCUTTER

X3 looks interesting, I will be watching it when it comes out, I need to know about Jean Grey (AKA The Phoenix)

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Friday, March 10, 2006 8:00 AM

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Come over to RWED and we can slug this out properly!
*Chrisisall leaps into the air, Kirk-style, and lands on Khyron and Cartoon, the momentum rolling all three off General and into RWED for the big duke-a-roo*

LOL

If I wasn't so old, I might take you folks on. (I am 6'3" and was no weakling in my day.) As it is, though, I'd just wind up getting myself hurt some.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 8:03 AM

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I think Galactus would work in a FF movie, because, like you said, FF has a more cosmic vibe to it. And, according to the press release about re-hiring the writers and director of FF1 to do FF2, they are useing the Galactus/Silver Surfer storyline for FF2.

Which leads me to just one question...

How big is he going to be?

P.S. If they put him in leather and make him normal size, I'm forever giving up on superhero movies.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 8:11 AM

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I think Galactus would work in a FF movie, because, like you said, FF has a more cosmic vibe to it. And, according to the press release about re-hiring the writers and director of FF1 to do FF2, they are useing the Galactus/Silver Surfer storyline for FF2.

Which leads me to just one question...

How big is he going to be?

P.S. If they put him in leather and make him normal size, I'm forever giving up on superhero movies.

Given the ambitious scope of the first Fantastic Four film, I'm expecting a normal-sized guy in a big silly hat.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 8:25 AM

BLACKOUTNIGHTS

I'll see FF2 for the Silver Surfer! Ya!

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Friday, March 10, 2006 8:32 AM

ZORPRIME01

The situation was that Brian Singer backed out of X-men after X2 was finished to work on the new Superman film. The company then sat on the project for a while as they looked for a director to fill his shoes. They set a deadline for the release, and there were rumors that X3 was going to have t be rushed to get it finished in time, and that much of the cast would not be returning.

Thankfully, it appears that at least the majority of the cast has returned for this final film (called "The Last Stand" btw).

Rumors about a weak script and rushed CGI sequences aside, I'm very anxious to see it. But also dreading that it may not be nearly as good as X2.

I think I swallowed a bug...

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Friday, March 10, 2006 8:47 AM

ISAACSHEPHERD

I also heard that Singer was bought out. I thought he was originally going to do it but he got a better offer for doing Superman. Fox was unwilling to fork over the dough, and he had wanted to Superman so it was a no brainer for him. Fox should have offered him more. Sadly though, I've seen some screen shots and a few teasers and Superman looks like it'll be horrible. I have seen a lot of Brian Singer's movies but I have to say Superman looks gay and it looks like someone pumped air into his outfit b/c his body is big and his head is small. Oh well, don't think anyone could measure up to Chrisopher Reeve's performance in the orignals though. Good luck Brian and crew.
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The Bible's a bit fuzzy on the subject of kneecaps.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 9:05 AM

To elaborate more on Singer's departure, he did want to make X3 and X4, having planned a rather epic story involving Dark Pheonix that would have spanned 2 movies. However, Tom Rothman, head of Fox, kept delaying a decision as to whether or not they would greenlight the movies. This is the same thing that was done on X1&2. Rothman has been somewhat notorius for his lack of faith in the X-Men series. He expected the first to bomb, which is why he cut the budget and schedule just as shooting began. There was also last-minute budget trimming on 2.

So, while waiting for the decision to greenlight 3, the Superman job came up. Singer tried to work things out with Fox, offering to do X3 after Superman, as stated above. When Fox refused, he went on to Supes, taking his writers, and James "Cyclops" Marsden with him.

That led to the decision to rush X3 out, in order to beat Superman to release. Originally, Matthew Vaughn was hired as director, and he helped the writers come up with their "7 day script" which kills off 2 of the higher-profile (and more expensive) cast members, as well as the one who jumped ship with Singer. He did fight to get Kelsey Grammar as Beast (a great choice IMO). Vaughn then quit 6 weeks prior to shooting for undisclosed reasons, though the rumor is he was having major conflicts with Rothman. Brett Ratner was brought on board at the last minute, made a few changes to the script, mainly involving locations, and they started shooting.

They do have a very, very tight deadline for the effects. But so did the last two, so we'll see how that turns out. I'm not a huge fan of Ratner as a director. His Rush Hour movies were entertaining, but not really close in tone or style to what X-Men should be. The closest he's done tonally would be Red Dragon. Though I have yet to see all of it, what I have seen I thought was fairly pedestrian and dull. That someone can make a dull Hannibal Lector movie with such a great cast is very worrying to me.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 9:09 AM

CHRISISALL

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Sadly though, I've seen some screen shots and a few teasers and Superman looks like it'll be horrible. Oh well, don't think anyone could measure up to Chrisopher Reeve's performance in the orignals though. Good luck Brian and crew.

Well, at least I'm not alone in this view.
Still, I have to see it to be sure...

Kal-Chrisisall

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Friday, March 10, 2006 11:34 AM

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And I'm still just irked that in a movie that involved Dark Pheonix, the love story in the film is between Storm and Wolverine (who never got together) and Iceman and Kitty (ditto). They should have done Kitty and Collossus at least.
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Ugh. You're kidding, right? They spend all that time building up a Rogue/Iceman relationship in the first two movies, then turn around and throw him together with Kitty? Why would they even do that? And don't even get me started on how many levels of wrong a Storm/Wolverine relationship would be. This whole movie is starting to sound like someone's bad fanfic idea.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 11:49 AM