umm..battlestar? by terrifried

This thread is old; I'm goin' to the Cleo 2525 thread now....

Chrisisall Torres

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:16 AM

mikamom:

Battlestar '80... ya it sucked. Travelling back through time to fight Nazi's is gay as hell. Travel across multiple galaxies trying to reunite with your long-lost human cousins, then suddenly need to (1) time-travel to fight nazis, and (2) NEVER reunite with Earth-lings.

The show got whored till the last minute.

and then:

the whole slieu of people who think the "political" message of the show makes it great... ya "Rolling Stone magazine" agrees with you. And they aren't even remotely political. Or music-related for that matter, but hey... I'm just ignorant.

Where is Mick Jagger when you need him?

Last ep I saw was the one about black markets where "Apollo" suddenly stopped being all suicidal and put a bullet in some bad-guy's head. I missed the next ep (after faithfully watching since the beginning), and somehow didn't care.

I missed the next ep, and still didn't care.

Then it occured to me... the show was (1) boring, (2) predictable, (3) NOT original contrary to what some people say ~ these storylines have been done a dozen+ times on Trek (TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, the movies, and the books), Babylon 5 (the political stuff especially), Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis, etc. etc.

Nothing new. Just a repeat of the same. YET, somehow this show is supposed to be better because the lynch mob says so. But... as "WhiskeyJane" says, there is always "someone" who is too opiniated (not to mention I'm a product of "angst" and "poor potty training"). The "opinionated" fool is always the one at the end of the lynch mob's rope.

Note to self: survival = agreement with majority opinion.

I choose survival. "I love the new BSG! Let all the world know it! I also love spinach, liver, and every film and book ever written or made for the last dozen years."

XG

and PS ~

Chrisisall:

Your lil duplicitous take on vipers ain't foolin me. Seriously dude plz just shout you love the new BSG and stop with the "I'm an old-school" fan approach. The lynch mob will love u.

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:22 AM

and PS to mikamom:

when Berman and Braga were given the kill order for Trek, they revived the whole "travel back through time and kill Nazis" theme. Only this time, the nazis had butt-ugly aliens in their ranks.

It never gets old. It only gets dumber with each new hatchet job on a "kill-order" series.

XG

oops:

EDIT: I'm talkin about "Enterprise". The poisonous end to the Trek.

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:28 AM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:

Your lil duplicitous take on vipers ain't foolin me. Seriously dude plz just shout you love the new BSG and stop with the "I'm an old-school" fan approach. The lynch mob will love u.

Serious? You want me serious?
*Thinks hard*
I don't think I can do that...

Here's my attempt:
I have a Viper and Galactica model kits from the original series. I made a Colonial Warrior uniform for a convention (comlete with gun and holster), also from the original. I owned a super-8 version of the pilot before video-tapes were available.

All I want from the new series is a die-cast Viper (When available).

In short; I loved the original, I just REALLY like the new one.

FRAK! That was too gorram serious! Just keep talkin' felgercarb, Xero, a Cylon will wax you any time now (They look like us now, remember?).

By my command Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:26 PM

Well then...

I'm sorry. There.. you got an apology from me for the way I've treated you. I assumed you were mocking me about the original Vipers from the get-go.

And no, I never built a Viper model but I was a model builder as a kid (and saw them ~ both in the box, and built, finished up, airbrushed, etc.).

I was mostly a boat, ship, and airplane kinda-model builder when I was younger. And now I build boats in my spare-time as an adult. 3 to date, #4 is on the drawing board. Go figure.

You've passed the smell test (I believe you truly were an original BSG fan). Although I don't share your love of the new one. Cept for the new Starbuck. Katie Sackhoff is hotter than a 1000 suns. Hubba hubba. Grace Whats-her-name is easy on the eyes too.

I just hate the storylines. Bored me to tears.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:31 PM

and PS to u chrisisall...

If I continued watching it, I'd prolly start rooting for the cylons at this point. That's how disinterested I am in this show.

mind-crushing boredom does strange things with the mind.

XG

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:59 PM

The new BSG is the basically the the most creative sci fi on television, ever. On television. I know how it's a re-make, but they really only kept the basics, like humans vs. cylons, humans try to find earth, and the peoples names.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this comment, but BSG is fantastic.

And to say othersie would make you obviously wrong, because your opinion is wrong, and everything about you is wrong.

Can you feel the sarcasm in that last paragraph?

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:57 PM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
I assumed you were mocking me about the original Vipers from the get-go.

Hey, mocking is my middle name.

But yeah, the first time I saw the Vipers, all thoughts of the X-Wing left my head. X-Wings take off like lame Harriers. Vipers take off like they mean buisness.
(Oh, I must make mention of Serena, another seriously excellent aspect to the original series, and how I almost stopped watching when they killed her off

)

But then they gave us Sheba

Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:41 PM

TMURRIE:

Most creative Sci-fi on TV. Ever. Ok.

Larson's concept of human beings living on alien planets is original. That much is true. They are connected to "Earth". That much is still true. Ok... add some "Earth" politics, "Earth-like" drama, dysfunctional earth-people dressed in earth-suits and ties... ya. All of a sudden, it's Earth - circa century 21. Ok. I believe it.

That's NOT everyday modern "soap opera". That's how the "other" humans who evolved differently from us for the last 10K years dress, think, act, etc.

THEY are just like US! Who'd have thunk it?

Moore-whore.

Who'd believe it?

You clowns.

I'm sure our distant cousins who've cracked all the laws of physics ages ago (so-much-so that they can travel FASTER than the speed of light, warp time and space, etc.) are just dying to strap on gucci and armani suits and debate abortion, cylon-civil rights, democracy versus whatever, etc. etc.

Ya. You're being stalked across the infinity of space by genocidal robots (robots have feelings too), and it's time to soul-search on the same type of politics we see on the nightly news.

Gee-fuckin-whiz. This is the best sci-fi I've ever seen.

Period.

XG

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:48 PM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:

Who'd believe it?

You clowns.

Okay, it has it's problems to be sure, but you're too crabbed over this.
Take it as a dark comic book, and it's really okay.

Examine ANYTHING too closely, and it falls apart (Except FF/S, and Dark Angel...

)

*His mind wanders...Max vs. River.....
Sorry Max, you'd be toast

*

Off Topic Chrisisall

BTW,
"genocidal robots (robots have feelings too)"
THAT was gorram funny.

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:41 PM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:

Gee-fuckin-whiz. This is the best sci-fi I've ever seen.

Period.

Calm the frack down. As I said, it was my opinion. That last paragraph of mine was just to bug anyone who didn't like the show. To poke fun. To have a light hearted laugh.

Soooo...like..ummm...

ya, calm down

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:58 PM

Take a chill-pill TMurrie:

The "you clowns" didn't necessarily include you. But it prolly will soon enough.

**hands you a cup of kool-aid and a jelly-bean**

"Eat, drink, and be merry."

BSG, after all, is just too damned uber in your mind. And anyhow... it doesn't much matter what is said here. People pick and choose what they want to read, and they find a polar opposite of their point of view when they don't like what they are reading. They do everything they can to discredit and annihilate the person dissenting from them rather than have an open debate.. why bother when your opinion is a "majority" opinion?

The MO: Attack, rejoice that you are a majority opion with superior forces, then retire. You won before you ever started.

I think "Britian" lost the colonies by thinking like that, but I might be mistaken. Who knows?

Of course, "majority opinion" is a relative term. Whole large masses of people think one way, but are told everyday the mass opinion is just the opposite. I guess "majority opinion" is a matter of opinion in that respect. But respect doesn't figure into it anymore (not where truth is concerned), or what a majority thinks for that matter. It's about who controls the "free press". Or the "media" as those of us who free-think like to free-think of it.

Although I call these people "clowns", that is very tame compared to what I think of them as a whole. I'm about to watch all the BSG ep's I missed since I lost interest in the show. What good am I in this debate if I'm ill-informed. I don't particularly care to watch any more of it but I'm not prepared to offer up a decent argument against the fanatical regime of fanboiz-N-galz. I'll come back and shred these whores to pieces when I do. I'm just not gonna be ignorant of the lame plotline. Nor do I imagine there is any point to the debate. They drank the kool-aid before it was ever mixed. Can't poison the willing. When it's voluntary, it's suicide.

We're in the middle of a seasonal break for the show anyhow.

All the actors live in "studio-funded" paradiso palaces, get daily massages, hookers-galore, best food money can buy, waxxing, facials, the world's best gay hair-stylists, ~ the latter 3 = men and women alike...

..an army of lawyers to steal their souls, agents to serve their lawyers, and studio execs to pay their lawyers and then bitch at them about what an ass their lawyer is for being so independant and over-protective of a studio property.

Ah the misery of such a life. Of course... they'll be well suited to play the role of tormented people suffering at the hands of their persecutors given such a hiatus.

House slaves. Every last one of them. This show is nothing but whores and bad actors.

BUT... "Rolling Stone" magazine loves this show. It could be the biggest nuclear-powered pile of shit ever put on the screen come "next" season. But it will live.

Why?

"Rolling Stone" magazine loves it.

XG

oh holy crap. did i just rant again? hid your women and children. or hide your milque-toast men and pet cats.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:26 PM

STORYMARK

Dear lord...

3 weeks later, and he's still going.

Ron Moore must have eaten his dog or something.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:41 PM

Reply to "StoryMark" with LOOSE TRANSLATION:

STORYMARK: "Dear lord..."
--translation... "comarades, fellow-true-believers, countrymen... lend me your ears!"

STORYMARK: "3 weeks later, and he's still going."
--translation... "My opinion is in the majority. Clearly, I win. Why? My opinion is in the majority. I win.

STORYMARK: "Ron Moore must have eaten his dog or something."
--translation... "We're winning! We're annoying him. If he tries to defend, attack again. Ignore what he says. Just attack. Ad hominem ad nauseum. Dogs taste just like chicken."

STORYMARK:"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
--translation... none needed... speaks for itself.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:43 PM

SADLITTLEKING

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Dear lord...

3 weeks later, and he's still going.

Ron Moore must have eaten his dog or something.

LMAO

Ummm...yeah. It's okay to not like a show. Not everyone will like the new BSG just as not everyone likes Firefly and not everyone likes any other show on television. But to waste so much energy on absolutely hating the show is incredibly ridiculous. Stating an opinion is fine, but going on and on and on and on about it as if your opinion is right is beyond frakked up. I can understand if some fans of the classic series simply don't like the new series, but to be upset about it to the point where you'd watch the new series for the sole reason of picking it apart and hammering on it is just wrong. If you don't enjoy it, don't watch it. Why is that such a problem? Constantly hatin' on the show isn't going to make it go away. It's a successful show and Sci-Fi will keep it going as long as it is. If you don't like it, just ignore it. Watch something you do like. How hard is that?

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:58 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by SadLittleKing:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Dear lord...

3 weeks later, and he's still going.

Ron Moore must have eaten his dog or something.

LMAO

Ummm...yeah. It's okay to not like a show. Not everyone will like the new BSG just as not everyone likes Firefly and not everyone likes any other show on television. But to waste so much energy on absolutely hating the show is incredibly ridiculous. Stating an opinion is fine, but going on and on and on and on about it as if your opinion is right is beyond frakked up. I can understand if some fans of the classic series simply don't like the new series, but to be upset about it to the point where you'd watch the new series for the sole reason of picking it apart and hammering on it is just wrong. If you don't enjoy it, don't watch it. Why is that such a problem? Constantly hatin' on the show isn't going to make it go away. It's a successful show and Sci-Fi will keep it going as long as it is. If you don't like it, just ignore it. Watch something you do like. How hard is that?

Exactly.

But really XG, keep at it if it makes you happy. I've stopped reading the thread for discussion of the show.

At this point, I keep coming back strictly watch you blow up over nothing, over and over.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:01 PM

Sadlittleking:

Ahh. Here we go again.

Let's see... history lesson. I expressed my feelings ~ i.e. "I hate this show because... (reason #1, #2, #3, etc.).

People asked me questions, I answered. People challenged me, I challenged them back (point versus counter-point).

Then comes the never-ending slieu of fanatical fans who:

(1) distort or mischaracterize what I say,
(2) fixate on trivial shit and try to focus attention away from the substance of the debate,

or

(3) gimme the "Heard you the first time. You don't like the show, and now you're repeating yourself".

You've just fallen into category 3 my idiotic friend.

I only reply when any one of the 3 from above occur. That's a fact. I'm not repeating myself nor have I ever. But you'll thump your chest, claim I did, and think chicks dig you because of it (no matter what I say).

Storymark:

Grow some nads dude. Can't reply to me direct?

I feel like I'm trying to play chess with someone whose top-speed is Tic-Tac-Toe. Rubik's Cube would prolly make your head explode (you genius you).

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:17 PM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Take a chill-pill TMurrie:

Whew-ee.

Dear XeroGravity. I can plainly see that you are not easily put down or persuaded, you like to stand your ground and give em what for. And that's fine, I can respect that. I can see why you would want to debate what you believe against those who don't agree, and that's fine as well. And the very fact that will actually go ahead and watch a show you don't even like, just so you can gain further intell on what you are debating, that's all dandy.

Although I do not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

I try to make it a point not to have flame wars on the internet past the point where I find it silly. Anyway, so now that's all settled, what shows do you actually like? Personally I find BSG to be fantastic writing and all that, but if you do not agree, then what shows do you actually agree to?

This is an actual question. I'm not trying to be a dick.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:43 AM

TMurrie:

Ahh. The intellectual approach.

Of course you're trying to be a dick. Stop lying fool. I can smell a set-up on you from a mile away. Ask me a question with no simple or short answer. What shows do I agree to?

Let's see. Umm... the ones that are (1) based on science, and (2) fictional.

Quote me some more "Voltaire". Or did a woman say that first? Odd... I recall seeing a man say that first. But, then I read too much. That's a puzzle I'll leave unsolved for those who opt to not read.

Just believe what the boob-tube (and the "search engines") tell you. Sheep need to obey.

To "somewhat" answer your question...

I've watched and seen it all.

Your question is prolly the only one I've seen asked that is worthwhile through this whole thread. But it would take toooooo many keypunches to answer it justly. I'll give you a partial (and beginning answer). I'll touch the tip of the iceberg. And then, I'll listen to the BSG fan-whorez call me all kinds of names. They always win.

Shows I love... I'll start with olde school (and this is only partial, I can't list ~ and explain ~ them all)

The original "Star Trek" (TOS) ~

...including the 3rd season where the Studio whored Roddenberry and took it out of his hands. They needed to bring the up-and-coming directors out of the shadows. His show was the perfect place to do it. It was sci-fi. Sci-fi was a joke. "Mars Needs Women"!!! Nobody takes this shit serious. But let's humor the insignifigant sub-culture of TV viewers who love science and think that all great future-fiction revolves around it.

The whores hated sci-fi. They had a bunch of xero-talent writers and xero-talent directors they had to give a shot to... (Studio Exec. relatives, pay-me-back deals, etc.)

They killed a show (TOS) that should have lived. But they spawned a fanatical fanbase that would push sci-fi forward to where it is now (even though it's still as whored-out as it was in Roddenberry's day).

I also "loved" the original Doctor Who. Which is about to get whored like the old BSG.

Lemme guess... the new Doc will have a Brit accent (an absolute must), but it'll be all modernday politics compared to ancient history.

There is also "Blake's 7" too but that is too "olde school" and not mainstream.

Anyhow... there's a basic beginning to an answer.

Why don't you ask me something simple like "What's the meaning of life?" or "Why do we exist?" or "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie-roll Tootsie-pop?"

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:56 AM

I also forgot to mention... my one true non-god... the man who took scifi out of the dark ages and made it great. George Lucas (ok he wasn't TV, he was movies).

But he's still a god cuz he's from that same era, and he was the best. I can forgive the last 3 movies and his laxadaisical laziness about finishing up what he started. He was the best (and still is).

But he's brining SW to TV. That worries me. I think he's finally about to sell out once and for all. I hope not. Gotta wait and see.

XG

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:44 PM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
TMurrie:

Ahh. The intellectual approach.

Of course you're trying to be a dick. Stop lying fool. I can smell a set-up on you from a mile away. Ask me a question with no simple or short answer. What shows do I agree to?

Wow. You're an asshole. The intellectual approach? I was asking you a fucking question. Not everyone is out to get you.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:19 PM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
I also forgot to mention... my one true non-god... the man who took scifi out of the dark ages and made it great. George Lucas (ok he wasn't TV, he was movies).

But he's still a god cuz he's from that same era, and he was the best. I can forgive the last 3 movies and his laxadaisical laziness about finishing up what he started. He was the best (and still is).

But he's brining SW to TV. That worries me. I think he's finally about to sell out once and for all. I hope not. Gotta wait and see.

XG

Shut up!

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:12 AM

TMurrie:

Ok dude I'll grant you that. I am, indeed, an asshole. And if in fact you were genuinely asking the question for the sake of discussion, then you have my apologies. I was figuring you'd give me a laundry list about how lame all the scifi shows I DO love are. It's exhausting having to deal with the bait-&-switch sneak attacks. And yes, each of the scifi shows I list(ed) has something retarded about them, but taken as a whole, the good tends to heavily outweigh the bad.

Don't mind River90210. She's president of my fan club (which as you might guess, is comprised of most of the people in this forum).

To finish up answering your question, the remaining shows I like are:

(1) "Most" of the Trek Cannon. I loved "Next Gen" ~was brilliant from beginning to end. I thought Voyager was decent.. started out great (great premise), then began to drag. I was about to quit watching it (as I did with new-BSG), but then they added the large-breasted Jeri Ryan into the mix (wearing a catsuit). Lust saved the day (and the show for that matter). Deep Space-9 for the first few years was just bareable. Sisko was weak and effeminant and the plot was overly-political and dull. Scriptwriters have probably never known a bonafide black military officer. It's a shame. I've served under many of them and they are strong fine men. But (3rd season I think it was), they had a change of attitude. Sisko shaved his fro, grew a goatee, and roared back to life ready to fight the dominion. No more mister milquetoast. And they added Worf (fuckin "A" ~ Klingons rule!). Enterprise was hideous. Final season was great, but everything else stunk like hell.

(2) Farscape ~ it was a trip down the weird and wild-side. If it was anything at all, it was unique. Strange at times, but overall was a great show. Note: here again, the show got axxed by scifi channel even though it was their highest rated show at the time. They promised the Jim Henson company a full season, and on short notice broke their promise. It ended terribly (leaving fans like me pissed). Thanks bonnie hammer. But, they wrapped up the plotline with PK wars which has to rank right up there with Star Wars in my book. What a friggin great show that was.

(3) Lexx. Which was just too weird to explain. Because of how bizarre (and utterly unique it was). The same reasons why it's weird are the same reasons I couldn't stop watching.

(4) Babylon 5 ~ which I only moderately enjoyed. Some people get all freaky over it but, I dunno, it was a decent show but didn't send thrilling shivers down my spine.

Ok, that covers everything in the past. Now the present.

(5) Stargate SG-1 ~ I absolutely love the first 8 years of this. It's one of the single best scifi shows ever put on the air. I'm not too sure I like where they're going in this last season (the "Ori" enemies replacing the defeated Goa'Uld are ok, but this whole King Arthur thing is just tacky as hell). Plus, after the way scifi chan whored the Farscape stars (Ben Browder and Claudia Black), it's nice to see the dynamic duo back in the saddle again.

(6) Stargate Atlantis ~ ok I've saved this one for last. I didn't much care for it in the 1st season, but I've slowly warmed up to it and this whole last season has converted me. This has rapidly become probably the very best scifi show I've ever seen on TV (with one exception).

Finally ~ the exception. Firefly. Although it was only 14 episodes, no scifi show ever made me fall so in love with it. Whedon definately found his calling. I hate that it's gone. But then, hey, such is the fate of scifi when it's in the hands of idiot executives and political hacks. Thankyou network and studio whores.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:24 AM

KUANGZHEDE

Long thread so I do not know if this comparison has been made yet.

All space shots are silent with music for both TV shoes. BSG always has those badass drums beating.

BSG is a great show, Firefly is just a better show, or was that The Best Show. Never thought about Firefly being the best show I have ever seen...that is kind of depressing in retrospect.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
TMurrie:

Ok dude I'll grant you that. I am, indeed, an asshole. And if in fact you were genuinely asking the question for the sake of discussion, then you have my apologies. I was figuring you'd give me a laundry list about how lame all the scifi shows I DO love are. It's exhausting having to deal with the bait-&-switch sneak attacks. And yes, each of the scifi shows I list(ed) has something retarded about them, but taken as a whole, the good tends to heavily outweigh the bad.

Hey man, thanks for the appology, no harm done. I know how it can be over the internet.

I agree with most of the shows you listed. As a matter of fact, Next Generation is on the tv in the next room as I type this.

But ya, I like what you have to say about the other shows, except Lexx. That show must be too out there for me to grasp at, oh well.

It was funny, when I told my brother that Ben Browder was going to be on Stargate, he merely said "Ah yes, Stargate SG-1...the show where all sci-fi actors go to die". It's almost like Farscape is trying to overrun Stargate, but whatever, I love it. Valla Maldoran is a great character, it makes Claudia Black that much hotter.

Anyway, good travels!

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
TMurrie:

Ok dude I'll grant you that. I am, indeed, an asshole. And if in fact you were genuinely asking the question for the sake of discussion, then you have my apologies. I was figuring you'd give me a laundry list about how lame all the scifi shows I DO love are. It's exhausting having to deal with the bait-&-switch sneak attacks. And yes, each of the scifi shows I list(ed) has something retarded about them, but taken as a whole, the good tends to heavily outweigh the bad.

Don't mind River90210. She's president of my fan club (which as you might guess, is comprised of most of the people in this forum).

To finish up answering your question, the remaining shows I like are:

(1) "Most" of the Trek Cannon. I loved "Next Gen" ~was brilliant from beginning to end. I thought Voyager was decent.. started out great (great premise), then began to drag. I was about to quit watching it (as I did with new-BSG), but then they added the large-breasted Jeri Ryan into the mix (wearing a catsuit). Lust saved the day (and the show for that matter). Deep Space-9 for the first few years was just bareable. Sisko was weak and effeminant and the plot was overly-political and dull. Scriptwriters have probably never known a bonafide black military officer. It's a shame. I've served under many of them and they are strong fine men. But (3rd season I think it was), they had a change of attitude. Sisko shaved his fro, grew a goatee, and roared back to life ready to fight the dominion. No more mister milquetoast. And they added Worf (fuckin "A" ~ Klingons rule!). Enterprise was hideous. Final season was great, but everything else stunk like hell.

(2) Farscape ~ it was a trip down the weird and wild-side. If it was anything at all, it was unique. Strange at times, but overall was a great show. Note: here again, the show got axxed by scifi channel even though it was their highest rated show at the time. They promised the Jim Henson company a full season, and on short notice broke their promise. It ended terribly (leaving fans like me pissed). Thanks bonnie hammer. But, they wrapped up the plotline with PK wars which has to rank right up there with Star Wars in my book. What a friggin great show that was.

(3) Lexx. Which was just too weird to explain. Because of how bizarre (and utterly unique it was). The same reasons why it's weird are the same reasons I couldn't stop watching.

(4) Babylon 5 ~ which I only moderately enjoyed. Some people get all freaky over it but, I dunno, it was a decent show but didn't send thrilling shivers down my spine.

Ok, that covers everything in the past. Now the present.

(5) Stargate SG-1 ~ I absolutely love the first 8 years of this. It's one of the single best scifi shows ever put on the air. I'm not too sure I like where they're going in this last season (the "Ori" enemies replacing the defeated Goa'Uld are ok, but this whole King Arthur thing is just tacky as hell). Plus, after the way scifi chan whored the Farscape stars (Ben Browder and Claudia Black), it's nice to see the dynamic duo back in the saddle again.

(6) Stargate Atlantis ~ ok I've saved this one for last. I didn't much care for it in the 1st season, but I've slowly warmed up to it and this whole last season has converted me. This has rapidly become probably the very best scifi show I've ever seen on TV (with one exception).

Finally ~ the exception. Firefly. Although it was only 14 episodes, no scifi show ever made me fall so in love with it. Whedon definately found his calling. I hate that it's gone. But then, hey, such is the fate of scifi when it's in the hands of idiot executives and political hacks. Thankyou network and studio whores.

XG

Shut the Frak up!

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:23 PM

Umm... River?

You trying to pull some psychic shit on me? I can't read minds darlin. You typo a "non-message" or you sending me a telepathic comunique?

She's prolly sending out dartboards to the fan club that feature my face.

XG

Temporary reprieve from the 90210. I better strap on a tin-foil headwrap to block out psychic shit and start wearing a bullet-proof vest.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Umm... River?

You trying to pull some psychic shit on me? I can't read minds darlin. You typo a "non-message" or you sending me a telepathic comunique?

She's prolly sending out dartboards to the fan club that feature my face.

XG

Temporary reprieve from the 90210. I better strap on a tin-foil headwrap to block out psychic shit and start wearing a bullet-proof vest.

She, the abandoned, and the ejected cartridge of what we would like to call life, looks around her. She, the spent and used shell looks about knowing that it‘s all a useless endeavor. Her mind shakes, and stirs, and she attempts to pull together a proper sentence. And then she does, with shades of broken dreams, and blackness disguised as white honor only to be stomped upon by the sinister people who sit in parks and sing to the sun, and laugh at the rain.
Xeroxgravity, you are like the abused, whored-up brother-in-law that I never had. Shut your mouth you stupid idiot, or I will cut off your air supply, and you will end up drifting about like a nugget of nutmeg in the winds of time, which pretty much adds up to nothing more than a fart in the wind.
The new BSG is something we all like, so the hell with what you think. We now are subjected to a long wait until October for season 3…why pour salt on a wound that is already a wound itself? Why be the pig you are? A duel of Two Faiths we shall forever be. While one thrives, the other dies.

It all comes to a clash at the end…it always does

Take your bed-wetting self to another thread if you don't like or agree with this one, and yes this is a thread for people who DO like the NEW BSG.

*The Cylons were created by man*
* They Rebelled*
*They Evolved*
* They Look*
*And feel*
*Human*

Some are programmed to think that they are human
There are many copies
And they have a Plan.
And none of those plans have anything to do with Xeroxgravity

The one who was once River

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Friday, March 17, 2006 2:26 AM

River honey,

You're going about this all wrong. By responding and/or directly challenging the troll, you feed him a big ole pile of mortar and lime to gobble down.

The only way to deal with a troll is to IGNORE him. Let him post his spleen. Let him rant endlessly on about whatever it is he is ranting on about. ... ignore the posts.

Don't feed him, River. Do what trolls hate the most. Tune him out. He doesn't exist. Ignore him.

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Friday, March 17, 2006 8:08 AM

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
River honey,

You're going about this all wrong. By responding and/or directly challenging the troll, you feed him a big ole pile of mortar and lime to gobble down.

The only way to deal with a troll is to IGNORE him. Let him post his spleen. Let him rant endlessly on about whatever it is he is ranting on about. ... ignore the posts.

Don't feed him, River. Do what trolls hate the most. Tune him out. He doesn't exist. Ignore him.

I know he disrespects BSG because he knows that it will upset us, and we will come-a-runnin trying to defend why we like it. I know he does this for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of us. But I suspect (and I KNOW I'm right) that he watches AND enjoys the new BSG, he's just being what he is....a pig, and besides, you DO feed the trolls sometimes because if you feed them, they are in one spot and you can harpoon them. XeroXgravity is simply gonna be another trophy on my wall after all is said and done
River

Look! I stole someone's SIG!!! I'm so clever!

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Friday, March 17, 2006 9:06 AM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
TMurrie:

Ok dude I'll grant you that. I am, indeed, an asshole. And if in fact you were genuinely asking the question for the sake of discussion, then you have my apologies. I was figuring you'd give me a laundry list about how lame all the scifi shows I DO love are. It's exhausting having to deal with the bait-&-switch sneak attacks. And yes, each of the scifi shows I list(ed) has something retarded about them, but taken as a whole, the good tends to heavily outweigh the bad.

Don't mind River90210. She's president of my fan club (which as you might guess, is comprised of most of the people in this forum).

To finish up answering your question, the remaining shows I like are:

(1) "Most" of the Trek Cannon. I loved "Next Gen" ~was brilliant from beginning to end. I thought Voyager was decent.. started out great (great premise), then began to drag. I was about to quit watching it (as I did with new-BSG), but then they added the large-breasted Jeri Ryan into the mix (wearing a catsuit). Lust saved the day (and the show for that matter). Deep Space-9 for the first few years was just bareable. Sisko was weak and effeminant and the plot was overly-political and dull. Scriptwriters have probably never known a bonafide black military officer. It's a shame. I've served under many of them and they are strong fine men. But (3rd season I think it was), they had a change of attitude. Sisko shaved his fro, grew a goatee, and roared back to life ready to fight the dominion. No more mister milquetoast. And they added Worf (fuckin "A" ~ Klingons rule!). Enterprise was hideous. Final season was great, but everything else stunk like hell.

(2) Farscape ~ it was a trip down the weird and wild-side. If it was anything at all, it was unique. Strange at times, but overall was a great show. Note: here again, the show got axxed by scifi channel even though it was their highest rated show at the time. They promised the Jim Henson company a full season, and on short notice broke their promise. It ended terribly (leaving fans like me pissed). Thanks bonnie hammer. But, they wrapped up the plotline with PK wars which has to rank right up there with Star Wars in my book. What a friggin great show that was.

(3) Lexx. Which was just too weird to explain. Because of how bizarre (and utterly unique it was). The same reasons why it's weird are the same reasons I couldn't stop watching.

(4) Babylon 5 ~ which I only moderately enjoyed. Some people get all freaky over it but, I dunno, it was a decent show but didn't send thrilling shivers down my spine.

Ok, that covers everything in the past. Now the present.

(5) Stargate SG-1 ~ I absolutely love the first 8 years of this. It's one of the single best scifi shows ever put on the air. I'm not too sure I like where they're going in this last season (the "Ori" enemies replacing the defeated Goa'Uld are ok, but this whole King Arthur thing is just tacky as hell). Plus, after the way scifi chan whored the Farscape stars (Ben Browder and Claudia Black), it's nice to see the dynamic duo back in the saddle again.

(6) Stargate Atlantis ~ ok I've saved this one for last. I didn't much care for it in the 1st season, but I've slowly warmed up to it and this whole last season has converted me. This has rapidly become probably the very best scifi show I've ever seen on TV (with one exception).

Finally ~ the exception. Firefly. Although it was only 14 episodes, no scifi show ever made me fall so in love with it. Whedon definately found his calling. I hate that it's gone. But then, hey, such is the fate of scifi when it's in the hands of idiot executives and political hacks. Thankyou network and studio whores.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

What a creep!

River

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:32 AM

River:

Listen to Frau Schnitzel-Knibblet and the scooby-doo crew.

Don't feed me. Especially not mortar and lime. Next thing you know, I'm like that bed-wetting "pig" in the 3 lil piglets story. I'm building a brick fortress (with mortar and lime) and become a wolf-slayer.

Don't feed me. Tune me out. I don't exist. Ignore me.

Do what I hate the most. Frau Knibblet is aristocratically wise in her ways and you would do well to follow her lead.

XG

and PS ~ run, don't walk~ when you encounter people who sing to the sun and laugh at rain. Escaped mental patients (scooby-doo crew).

Touche.

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:08 AM

Okay has anyone figured out which two t-shirts i.e., manufacturer, color and style, are the ones the flight crews wear in Galactica?

I have some of my old Air Force stuff (including a bunny suit I can dye orange ... don't rat me out to Uncle Sam) but of course, none of it is the shiny whatever the heck it is stuff the flight suits are made of.

There's a big convention coming up this summer and when I'm not in the room hosting our Firefly party, I'd like to wander 'bout the hotel in 'Galatica Gear'. www.convergence-con.org

I can't even imagine walking around in the quilted stuff the actors wore in that 70's show. Yer like to melt into a puddle of sweat - not to mention being stalked by Amish ladies looking for fabric swatches.

For the Honor Harrington fans, David Weber is a guest of honor at Convergence this year.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/ Big Damn Shindigity Good Time
http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:09 AM

I'm not trying to change the subject. Honestly I'm not. But I did want to ask this question...

Does anyone know if we're supposed to wear velcro or zipper bondage masks at this year's "Gay Biker Snuff Film" convention? I was thinking I might do a combo but I dunno know now? I'll be there when I'm not hosting the 28th annual alien abductee post-traumatic stress disorder help group.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 9:39 AM

Firefly has been cancelled. Battlestar Galactica won't be back on the air until October. What am I going to do? My Saturday morning ritual of getting up, downloading BSG while I make breakfast has been seriously interruped here. Are there any other shows out there besides SG-1 (I refuse to watch it!) that are worth my time to get addicted too?

Why do we have to

wait until October? Why not July?

What network

decided this?

I need a new show quick or somebodies gonna get their

kicked.

River

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 9:46 AM

Whoops! Double post...sorry

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Are there any other shows out there ... that are worth my time to get addicted too?

They're not currently in production so getting addicted might not be the best idea. Having said that, go look for the DVD collections (or hunt down VHS tapes) of ...

Monarch of the Glen (DVD - 4 seasons) - Scottish television show about Archie MacDonald, family and friends when he has to come back to the old family estate (GlenBogle) and take over as Laird.

China Beach - Vietnam experiences of MacMurphy (Dana Delaney's first starring role) and other nurses and doctors. It's also where Marge Helgenberger got her start.

Babylon 5 (DVD 5 season + movies) - One of my fellow Minnesota Independents (shout out to Mario) has loaned me the first season of Babylon 5. I'm through 5 of disks so far. It's not bad - He said to hang in there because of a 4 year story arc. I'm going to give it my best.

Coupling (BBC DVD 5 seasons). Not the pitiful American rip-off but the original British series. Be careful, when Steve begins one of his rants, you might laugh milk out your nose.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/ Big Damn Shindigity Good Time
http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:47 AM

The only show "worthy" of your time is SG-1.

Least the 1st 8 years of it. Go watch that. Then watch SG-Atlantis. DON'T watch SG-A till you see the 1st 8 of SG-1. Can't love SG-A w/out SG-1. And SG-1 is loveable in spite of whatever stupid notions you have rattling around in that tiny brain of yours. Teal'c gets fuckin nuclear power-cool in season 8. Season 8 ep 7. Just watch you'll see.

Won't replace FF. Won't kill off the need for that next heroine fix, but it helps.

1 gay show a day. One day at a time. Achtung! 12 steppers can now goose-step with frau nipples and der skoobie doo krew (mach schnell!).

XG

No such thing as gravity. Der "Urth" dat was... well der "Urth" ist nicht.

EDIT: Oh shit. I listed ep 3. I meant ep. 7 "affinity". Sorry was goin by memory. Sorry I don't have a friggin database in my brain. But I dounlechecked. Coolest damn ep of anything scifi ever if you take it in turn.

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:57 AM

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE believe me on this one.

Go watch SG-1. Buy the DVD's ~ it's SOOOOOOO worth the investment. Wright and Cooper = fuckin genius.

More importantly... DO NOT watch the specific Ep I listed without seeing the whole thing. It won't be the same.

Trust me on this one. You'll see.

..and if you do, you'll watch SG-(A)tlantis and you won't be blown away as I currently am. It's up to you.

xg

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 4:37 PM

Even though I hear that SG-1 is a good show, SG-1 is on my "forbidden" list of television series not to watch for personal reasons; It would be a serious "trigger" If I were to watch 1 episode of SG-1, I would want to strangle someone right after, so I better not.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

River

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Saturday, March 18, 2006 4:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Are there any other shows out there ... that are worth my time to get addicted too?

They're not currently in production so getting addicted might not be the best idea. Having said that, go look for the DVD collections (or hunt down VHS tapes) of ...

Monarch of the Glen (DVD - 4 seasons) - Scottish television show about Archie MacDonald, family and friends when he has to come back to the old family estate (GlenBogle) and take over as Laird.

China Beach - Vietnam experiences of MacMurphy (Dana Delaney's first starring role) and other nurses and doctors. It's also where Marge Helgenberger got her start.

Babylon 5 (DVD 5 season + movies) - One of my fellow Minnesota Independents (shout out to Mario) has loaned me the first season of Babylon 5. I'm through 5 of disks so far. It's not bad - He said to hang in there because of a 4 year story arc. I'm going to give it my best.

Coupling (BBC DVD 5 seasons). Not the pitiful American rip-off but the original British series. Be careful, when Steve begins one of his rants, you might laugh milk out your nose.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/ Big Damn Shindigity Good Time
http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

I have babylon DVD sets from season 1 to 3, but I'm pretty much done with it. Its good and I liked B5 a lot, but I need something more comforting. I'm heading into a depressive-cycle, so I guess I better fallback on old reliable..Firefly or my entire Audrey Hepburn DVD collection, but thanks for the information on all those other movies!

I was depressed yesterday, so I went out and blew $700 cashy money, and bought an Archos, DVR movie player. Its one of those devices that puts the ipod to shame. Here is the link so you will know what I speak of: http://www.archos.com. I bought the AV-700. It small enough to carry around with you, and it has 100 gigabytes of storage, so I can record all my movies into it. Lastnight i recorded Serenity into it and today I made myself a picnic and went to the park and ate, watched people with lives, and watched Serenity...it was a good day.
River

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:52 AM

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Oh, Boxy is on the show. He was there in a couple of scenes in the miniseries, and also in one scene during Season 1. He's a depressed, bitter, and surly kid who lost both his parents in the Cylon attack on Caprica.

River

Xerogravity's a big wimp!

I thought Boxy's dad was the officer on the Panmunjomish space station that was destroyed in the first few minutes of the miniseries (sorry, I'm posting from work so I can't go get the actual station name). Double check the pics on his desk. I wonder what he did to piss his CO off so bad that he was exiled to the ass end of the BSG 'verse for a year? I also wonder what Pamunjom Six would have done if, after she asked "Are you alive?" Mr. Boxy had answered "No."

Hell. It's special.

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:37 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Sickdude:

So, Cisall, if you got some viper adorin' to do, bring it!

Sickdude, you're no better than Xerogravity in your lack of Viper-appreciation.(Except that you're better mannered, and make more sense in your arguments, and don't act like a troll, and spell words better, and...)

Glory be to the Viper, and to the Holy Turbo-launch. Now and forever, it makes heaven out of space.
Lo, you infantile boobs that appreciate not it's power and design. You will be blasted from the stars like so many impotent Firefly-class garbage scows.
As it is written, so shall it be vaporized.

Bring it, you clumbsy Battlestar worshipers Chrisisall

As the son of an AF fighter jock, I completely understand your feelings. And you're wrong.

The TRUE hero of the spacelanes is the underestimated Raptor. Being the extendable eyes, ears and brains of the battlegroup, the Raptor tells the lowly assVipers where to go and what to do. From being able to make its own FTL leaps, perform recon, jam enemy systems AND deliver both strike teams and munitions on target, it is a multipurpose vehicle vastly superior to the Wiper in every way that counts. The highly trained team of pilot and ECO have saved the Fleet repeatedly, from finding water to finding Kobal, and have done so in a spacecraft that isn't even usually armed. The Wiper could be easily replaced by an unmanned drone piloted by a 14 year old who grew up playing video games (as is being done today in the real world). When the going gets tough you send in the best, and then bring on the Wipers to handle the rest.

Boo-yah!

Hell. It's special.

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:40 AM

Yep, Shepard is correct as usual.

Ron Moore states this in the audio commentary of the mini-series. I'm going to buy the DVD one of these days (when I haven't higher priorities for my money) and check it out. That, or wait until it reruns.

Quote:
Originally posted by Shepard:
I thought Boxy's dad was the officer on the Panmunjomish space station that was destroyed in the first few minutes of the miniseries (sorry, I'm posting from work so I can't go get the actual station name). Double check the pics on his desk.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/ Big Damn Shindigity Good Time
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Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:03 AM

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
I'm not trying to change the subject. Honestly I'm not. But I did want to ask this question...

Does anyone know if we're supposed to wear velcro or zipper bondage masks at this year's "Gay Biker Snuff Film" convention? I was thinking I might do a combo but I dunno know now? I'll be there when I'm not hosting the 28th annual alien abductee post-traumatic stress disorder help group.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

Go with the velcro. Zippers pinch & there have been reports of people accidently cutting their nose off.

Hell. It's special.

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:15 AM

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Originally posted by Shepard:

The TRUE hero of the spacelanes is the underestimated Raptor.
Boo-yah!

I'll refrain from blurting out the perfunctory "FRAK YOU! VIPERS RULE!!!" in favour of saying that you make an excellent case for the Raptor.

I want frakkin' die-casts of both!!!
Can we agree on that?

Viper lovin' Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:25 AM

Gorram it, here I am trying to get your goat & you stay all polite & calm on me. Steal my joy why don't ya?

My friend has learned to do origami versions of the Firefly and the Viper. I have a fleet of both decorating my desk. I'll have him start working on a Raptor next.

I love how the Vipers in the new BSG actually obey the laws of physics & can spin and rotate with the thrusters. Now if it was just silent...

I also like how the older & newer versions have different joysticks.

Question: What the hell do the Vipers shoot? It looks like lasers & sounds like a machine gun!

Anybody have an answer?

Hell. Its special.

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by Shepard:

I love how the Vipers in the new BSG actually obey the laws of physics & can spin and rotate with the thrusters. Now if it was just silent...

Silent?? WTFrak?
We only hear what the pilots hear, or what sound there is passing thru gas-anomilies, low orbit air molocules, and explosive expansions!!

That contentious 'nuff for ya?

Look what I stole from River:

Ain't it cool?

They shhot Base Stars

Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:42 AM