Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well. by pastorbadger

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p.s. glad to be of help PastorB

it's my insanity that keeps me sane hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 5:18 AM

RAE

I hope Wash is still alive. I trust Joss to do the best possible thing. One possibility that no one has mentioned is the blue hands guys. They weren't really mentioned much in the movie, but we know they are out there. They are just as interested in getting River back as anyone, probably more so. They may very well have been the ones to find Wash, and we already know that they are ruthless. They probably are lurking right behind the alliance ships, tracking the crew. They would not trust anyone to take care of the problem. Wash would be a good back up plan. Save him, hold him hostage as bait. Why keep chasing River all over the 'verse, when one hostage will bring the crew to them?

Rae

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 5:29 AM

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Originally posted by Rae:
I hope Wash is still alive. I trust Joss to do the best possible thing. One possibility that no one has mentioned is the blue hands guys. They weren't really mentioned much in the movie, but we know they are out there. They are just as interested in getting River back as anyone, probably more so. They may very well have been the ones to find Wash, and we already know that they are ruthless. They probably are lurking right behind the alliance ships, tracking the crew. They would not trust anyone to take care of the problem. Wash would be a good back up plan. Save him, hold him hostage as bait. Why keep chasing River all over the 'verse, when one hostage will bring the crew to them?

Rae

Unfortunately, I've heard that the "hands of blue" were taken care of in the graphic novels that cover the time between the end of the series and the start of the movie. I haven't read them myself, but the word is that they're gone. I don't know enough to say if it's likely that they'd just be replaced.

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 5:41 AM

AGATSU

Hi guys!

This is my first official browncoat action apart from buying the DVDs and trying to convert my friends - but (unfortunately), I've just seen both Firefly and Serenity for the first time about 2 week ago (but fortunately in the right order off the DVDs).

But I guess you're more interested In Wash than me, so here goes...

Most of you fail to mention that one of the main reasons why Wash was killed off is that from this point on the audience beliefs that anyone - or EVERYONE - may die. It did a very good job for Serenity as such.
Now, if there won't be a sequel, all is well, storytelling-wise. (Not emotinally-stable-wise for the fans, though.)

Noooow, if there is going to be a sequel in any form, things get more complicated.

WASH IS DEAD. In this case, which is far more believable, there will be the problem about Zoe that was mentioned earlier in this thread. She is defined by two persons - Mal and Wash. Now Wash is no more, so half of her "personality" is gone, and she'd be a very dull character (and therefore the most likely to be killed off next), especially since it was that mixture of loving, caring wife and stone-cold soldier that made her so interesting (Her legs help, too). Since Mal has already taken the role of the haunted struggling ex-military cynic, maybe she would channel her love to the crew as a whole, becoming a mother figure, which would also fill the void Book left to a certain degree.

WASH IS ALIVE!
The Serenity crashes. A Reaver ship obviously gets there first, since Wash is impaled by a harpoon. The crew leaves Wash for dead and hurries into the station.
The Reavers are on their tail, not interested in Wash since he's dead meat.
The Alliance is busybusybusy destroying the whole Reaver fleet - this must have happened one way or another, since Reavers never quit and the Alliance obviously came out on top of the tactical situation, allbeit too late. At least one alliance ship makes it to the landing bay in the middle of all this, finds Wash, waits for back-up (not really keen on having to go through Reavers to get to their targets when the latter might do their job for them and get decimated in the process.) and "save" Wash for questioning.
( I DO think they have the technology, since the Alliance fixed Book, and in almost every episode, someone gets shot or stabbed (well, mostly Mal) and they seem to be fine at the end of the episode, and that's with just the crappy medical equipment aboard the Serenity. )
The Operative finds an alternate route while the Reavers are now trapped - in the untruest sense of the word - between our crew and the Alliance. (The Alliance choses an alternate route that requires them to remove a wall). Just to wrap it up a bit.

So, Wash lives. It's still cheesy, although possible. So we need a twist. Like maybe it ISN'T that easy to repair damage to the spine, and Wash would be confined to a wheelchair.
Let's face it, he was just sitting around all day, anyways, so it wouldn't affect his role in the series that much - except for making it more interesting.
( I'm strictly speaking from a storyteller's POV, of course, since I love Wash, but face it, without conflict and suffering, there really is no story, in any genre, period. Of course, the Teletubbies prove that it can still be successfull, but, well, erm... Teletubbies.)
Anyways, this compromise is the most interesting way to go with Wash, imho. Not dead, but in a wheelchair. Fair enough.

But despite of what I think or wish or write on men's room walls, the way it's most likely going to go is that Wash is indeed dead and Zoe becomes the Crew's mother now that Book is gone, just like River is most likely the pilot now that Wash. Is. Dead. Extinct like the dinosaurs he liked to play with, if you like.
E's not pinin'! E's passed on! This pilot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
THIS IS AN EX-WASH!!

May he rest in peace.

Oh, or maybe they could transplant his brain into one of those i-mac-looking robot thingies from "I, Robot" and give him a Hawaiian shirt.

Oh, and I vote "C", obviously.

Sorry about the long post, but it's my first and I'm all excited to talk to other fans and stuff, you know what I'm talking about.
Nice to meet y'all!

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 7:31 AM

Nice monty python refernce but still STEERING COLUMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's my insanity that keeps me sane hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 8:08 AM

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Nice monty python refernce but still STEERING COLUMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's my insanity that keeps me sane hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Now, let's be fair. Agatsu is saying that it's perfectly possible for Wash to have lived, at least medically.

While I disagree that he needs to die and stay dead, because Book still stays dead and that fullfills the requirement that we believe anyone could die at any second, I do agree that it's apparent that River is meant to fill Wash's job, if not his place in the family. (Whew, what a sentence!) Zoe's changing role in the family is beyond my interpersonal skills to predict, so I let it pass without comment.

Although, I would have gone with the "Bring out yer dead!" sketch from 'Grail, instead of the dead parrot reference. Perfect metaphor for this thread.

Pastorbadger: Bring out yer dead!
Random Thread Skeptic: Here you go.
Wash: I'm not dead yet!
Pastorbadger: What?
Random Thread Skeptic: Never mind him.
Wash: I think I'll go for a walk.
Random Thread Skeptic:You're not foolin' anyone, you know.
Pastorbadger: I can't take him if he's not dead.

and so on...

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 9:04 AM

AGATSU

Insane people never say they are insane. For them, everyone else is insane. So I'm not scared of people saying they're mad, because they aren't. And I can prove it, too!

"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

See, Alice is insane! She thinks she's sane and the world around her mad, but SHE's totally coo-coo and MADE UP the world around her. (The Cat doesn't count as mad since she's just a figment of Alice's twisted mind, and in reality most likely perfectly sane, as far as cats go.)
A guy named American McGee picked up on that insanity concept and made a great PC game called "American McGee's Alice" a few years back, a GREAT and twisted game that's gonna be made into a movie in the next few years and potentially not suck. Actually, I was thinking that Summer would make an EXCELLENT Alice for that movie, but the last I heard they have their eyes set on Sarah Michelle Gellar. Not a wise choice imo.
What was my point again? Quick, I need a point to end this!
Right, you're not insane unless you're a figment of my imagination, which would mean I'd have to be insane in the first place, which I ain't - a statement which of course means that I potentially AM. Unless I disembowel you with a spoon or you see me standing 3 weeks in line to see another SW Episode, you'll never know.

What does all of this have to do with Wash?
He, well, ehm, he's insanely dead. Impaled by a Reaver harpoon. Nasty business. Almost as bad as being impaled by a steering column, but that would be silly.
Do we have prove it's a Reaver harpoon? It could have been the tip of some giant park cleaning guy's leaf-impaling-thingie, you know, and Wash had better kept his mouth shut about being a leaf on the wind, because leaves tend to get stabbed by those all the time after they land.
He was a leaf with its ass dead on the ground, and no god-fearing park-cleaning-guy with a stabby-thingie to pick up leaves with will let an opportunity like that go by. As an experienced pilot, Wash should have known that.

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 9:35 AM

AGATSU

Well, I think both Monty Python quotes fit the situation in their own way. "THIS IS AN EX-PILOT!" is an excellent tool to crush the futile hopes of optimistic Wash-Lovers (which is exactly what I needed it for), while "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!" reflects the audience's feelings towards yet another "I didn't REALLY die in the last movie."-Scenario.

You don't have to disagree that Wash has to stay dead, because I would prefer him alive as well (yet in a wheelchair to damp down on the happy-happy.). I just ASSUME that Wash is gonna stay dead, but to be honest, it's not really in my jurisdiction.

And about Zoe... what else would you do with her now that Wash is gone?

Let me rephrase that.

In which direction could her character go that still keeps her interesting?

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 9:35 AM

11THHOUR

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C) It’s O.K. to bring Wash back, IF it’s done in a clever and convincing manner. No visits to the Sacred MacGuffin or time travel or mind-melds… It must be elegant and believable in the real universe, the Firefly ‘verse, and the universe in which I live.

C), that be my vote. Happily residing in the land of "It's perfectly plausible to bring Wash back in a believable and tasteful manner even though I know darn well that Joss likes to make us cry."

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E) There IS NO FIREFLY without Wash. I won’t go to see any movie with less than the perfect cast. Well…I’ll probably still go, but I won’t buy the DVD. Who am I kidding? I’ll probably still buy the DVD…but I’ll keep it in a box in my garage with the Jon Pertwee “Doctor Who’s” and the George Lasenby “James Bond”! So there!

Laughed so hard I scared my cat.... heh...

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 9:48 AM

11THHOUR

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Originally posted by Kizyr:
That much is true; it's actually opened up a nice area for Serenity RPG players to fill in. The RPG book, at least, mentions that grav fields might be hard to set up, but are pretty cheap to keep going (hence why hovermules are decently economical).

Hmmmmm... planet wide gravitational fields would bring an interesting element into a role playing game. Must try to read that Serenity RPG book thingy sometime... I hear it's pretty good...

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I mean, fifty years ago we were pretty good with figuring what kind of technology was cutting-edge. But, how many people would've figured that by 2005 we'd have widespread cellphone and internet usage? Meanwhile, I'm thinking that a fair amount of people in 1969 would've figured that by now we'd have landed a man on Mars. So yeah, predicting technology can get iffy.

Yes, there are many forms of technology that just can't be predicted, they seem to spring out of unexpected places. Kinda like evolution... these things have a life of their own.

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But, I got enough faith in Joss and Tim to do it right, realistic-wise or plot-wise, if they do it at all. KF

Yeppers. If they were to tackle this, and I think it would be a fascinating challenge for a storyteller to do it brilliantly, then it would really be somethin' to see.

But if Tim did it, he'd just bring Wash back so he could kill 'im again...

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Agatsu:
Well, I think both Monty Python quotes fit the situation in their own way. "THIS IS AN EX-PILOT!" is an excellent tool to crush the futile hopes of optimistic Wash-Lovers (which is exactly what I needed it for), while "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!" reflects the audience's feelings towards yet another "I didn't REALLY die in the last movie."-Scenario.

You don't have to disagree that Wash has to stay dead, because I would prefer him alive as well (yet in a wheelchair to damp down on the happy-happy.). I just ASSUME that Wash is gonna stay dead, but to be honest, it's not really in my jurisdiction.
And about Zoe... what else would you do with her now that Wash is gone?

Let me rephrase that.

In which direction could her character go that still keeps her interesting?

I see what you mean about the duality of the Monty Python metaphors. And that concerns me...deeply. lol

As for what I want to happen and what I think will happen, I'll take both positions. (You should always stretch before attempting this.) I'm a firm "E" in the poll, but I wish I could envision any scenario that allowed FOX to restart production or to abandon the rights.

This would require that the FOX exec who screwed up so badly on Buffy to admit that he did exactly the same thing again (despite all attempts to bury the evidence) with Firefly, only with a contractual safety net this time.

Has anybody ever known ANY exec at ANY level in ANY industry admit he was wrong and take his lumps? This putative exec just better hope that his name doesn’t become public. Do you know any other series’ support base for whom a duster and a Winchester is fan couture? ;)

Oh, as for the Alice metaphor: You worked very hard to connect those dots. I say “Bravo and up the dosage!”

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 10:26 AM

One day, when we get our Big Damn Sequel or a revival of the series, and Wash is still quite dead, I see many heads exploding.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
One day, when we get our Big Damn Sequel or a revival of the series, and Wash is still quite dead, I see many heads exploding.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

You believe we WILL get a revival or sequel, but DON'T belive Wash will return? Friend, you need to come into the shop to have your pessimism rotated.

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 10:52 AM

ZORPRIME01

They could pull the old gag that was used on Arrested Development and have Wash's "twin brother" show up. And Zoe could say "I don't like him."

If wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak.

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
One day, when we get our Big Damn Sequel or a revival of the series, and Wash is still quite dead, I see many heads exploding.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

You believe we WILL get a revival or sequel, but DON'T belive Wash will return? Friend, you need to come into the shop to have your pessimism rotated.

Why? I've seen less-than-mega-hit movies get sequels. I've never seen a guy who got impaled throught the chest buy a pole several inches wide, survive. Especially when they've been left there to bleed out for a good 20 minutes or so, in a 'verse run by a guy who's said people won't come back from the dead in that particualr 'verse.

A sequel (which I feel is more likely than a series revival) is wishfull thinking to a degree, I'll admit. But thinking Wash is still alive is strictly denial.

And to clarify, I didn't say he wouldn't return. There are other options: flashbacks, ghosts, ect. (not that I'm terribly fond of those ideas). I just don't see any plausible way for Wash to have survived what was obviosly a very fatal wound.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by zorprime01:
They could pull the old gag that was used on Arrested Development and have Wash's "twin brother" show up. And Zoe could say "I don't like him."

ROFL! Hey, that reminds me: all those nattering nabobs of negativism who say it would be hoakey to bring Wash back by cloning him...who says cloning isn't a hobby on Shadow, and the Wash signed on with Serenity because he WAS the clone? We lost Wash prime in the movie.

Nah... Still hoakey. Funny though. ;)

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I've never seen a guy who got impaled throught the chest buy a pole several inches wide, survive. Especially when they've been left there to bleed out for a good 20 minutes or so, in a 'verse run by a guy who's said people won't come back from the dead in that particualr 'verse.

Uhm...they buried Spock! Cap't Sheridan was dead for days. Obi Wan was bisected by a light sabre and then disintigrated. Danial Jackson turned into Tinkerbelle and vanished. O.K., so no telephone pole-sized fleschettes, but seriously, no precident? Read the whole thread. I challenged you to name a science fiction series where they DIDN'T bring someone back from certain death!

And as for Joss saying "I'll never bring 'em back from the dead". I point you to the fourth Indiana Jones movie currently in production... Never believe "never" from the lips of anyone in Hollywood.

"That word you keep saying...I do not think it means what you think it means." Inigo Montoya

If you've never seen these things, then all you've ever seen is Serenity. Amazing things, those moving pictures, eh?

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 1:11 PM

LAX01

Remember when Joss kept saying, "HES DEAD"

yeah I think hes dead

btw, I didn't read it, wayyyyyy too long :D

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 2:33 PM

LADYKNIGHT

Was reading the thread...and about halfway through...something occured to me...

Shortly after everybody left, feds vs. Reavers on Serenity. Somebody (fed) shot a coolant pipe somewhere (engene room). Freezing white stuff came out, Froze the whole ship over, including Wash...who, while dead, had his nural functions frozen in the four minutes before they would have stopped. (For the record, I'm getting the majority of this from the Artemis Fowl books...Dear God, I just compared Wash to Butler)

Feds find Wash, feds take Wash. Wash gets better in core hospital...

and I'll leave the rest to Joss.

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 2:54 PM

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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
I've never seen a guy who got impaled throught the chest buy a pole several inches wide, survive. Especially when they've been left there to bleed out for a good 20 minutes or so, in a 'verse run by a guy who's said people won't come back from the dead in that particualr 'verse.

Uhm...they buried Spock! Cap't Sheridan was dead for days. Obi Wan was bisected by a light sabre and then disintigrated. Danial Jackson turned into Tinkerbelle and vanished. O.K., so no telephone pole-sized fleschettes, but seriously, no precident? Read the whole thread. I challenged you to name a science fiction series where they DIDN'T bring someone back from certain death!

And as for Joss saying "I'll never bring 'em back from the dead". I point you to the fourth Indiana Jones movie currently in production... Never believe "never" from the lips of anyone in Hollywood.

"That word you keep saying...I do not think it means what you think it means." Inigo Montoya

If you've never seen these things, then all you've ever seen is Serenity. Amazing things, those moving pictures, eh?

Yes. And those series all involved ressurrection of some form, aliens and supernatural powers to varying degrees. All things which Joss has sworn off from the 'verse. When we see Klingons and Jedi on Serenity, I might expect to see Wash back. Untill then...

And I don't see much connection with Indy 4 being made (which after 7 years of promises, I'll believe when I see) and a character coming back from the dead when all those actually involved with the making of the film say nope.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 4:56 PM

SAVEWASH

Now I am learning about scary.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
One day, when we get our Big Damn Sequel or a revival of the series, and Wash is still quite dead, I see many heads exploding.

LOL! This is funny.

My heart will break again when the BDS comes out without Wash, but I'm sure it will happen for the reason I gave in my post above. PastorB mostly ignored it, although I think that this might be a passing reference to it:

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B) Wash SHOULD stay dead. No matter how you allow him to survive, it will cheapen the franchise, and I’m the kind of person who worries about cheapening franchises, subtext and social relevance in movies.

It's not the franchise I'm worried about cheapening, and I didn't say anything about subtext or social relevance, so maybe PB really did just ignore me. That's okay. We all have our opinions on this, and until the Sequel comes out, that's all they are: opinions. Some of us just forgot that, I think.

"We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads."

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 7:08 PM

FLIPDOG

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Originally posted by lax01:
Remember when Joss kept saying, "HES DEAD"

yeah I think hes dead

btw, I didn't read it, wayyyyyy too long :D

WOW! Someone that either listens to my post or actually pays attention to what Joss has said. What a novel idea!

On a random rant: Why must you (GuywhowantsafireflymynameistoolongfortheloveofgodwhydidIchoosesomethingthislongofhisown) keep saying steering column...how about something intelligent!

Head's exploding...yes, I forsee that as well. And more: ObiWan doesn't technically return, its only a spirit form, his essence per se. You guys are talking about living flesh and blood and comparing that to a Jedi? In general, you're comparing FireFly to every other SciFi out there...hasn't it proven itself mutiple times as not being those SciFi's?

Okay, and because I still don't want to post all about it...again...many of you aren't looking at the big picture from a story standpoint. Wash being dead can be a good thing. If you want to learn more, either read 'Story" or ask me about why it does.

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Thursday, April 6, 2006 4:17 AM

CELENDIL

Well now, I ain't gonna weigh in one way or the other, I'm a gambler and I like to keep my options open till I can lay down the cash and make me a killin.... (hah..)

But I'll say this: Joss said he'd never bring anyone back from the dead. And he said that Wash was DEAD. D. E. A. D.

I dunno, I guess one half of me says "This statement is true. The previous statement is false." (Or whatever that retarded logic thing is). Maybe, just maybe, Joss just wanted people to lose hope, and then have their hope gloriously restored by his awesomeness in (if it ever happens..) a sequel.

I will say this though: This forum and the people here, are why there should be gorram laws about gorram executives cancelling our gorram shows. Cause seriously. I'ma march on up to these guys one day and shove my favourite piece up their keister 'till they sign the contract that brings back Firefly.

Video games and violent television shows don't make killers. CANCELLED TELEVISION SHOWS MAKE THEM.

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Thursday, April 6, 2006 5:04 AM

ARABIKUM

You´re absolutely right Celendil, son of Telefax!
Wash has gone to the West. No. 1 of the Top 10 reasons why Wash might probably be dead, is that giant spikey thing i saw coming out of his chest (a sufficient explanation for me)!

A.

A Dragonbreth Gilthorphial!!

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:13 AM

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... how about something intelligent

are you trying to be an asshole?

'cause that's how you're comin' off

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:24 AM

Can't believe this thread is still kicking. This reminds me of Clan Denial - an online club/group of Highlander fans who were so tramatized by the death of a particular character that they refused to accept said death (and he had his head cut off, which is even slightly more thoroughly fatal than a telephone post through the heart - but only slightly), and pretty much ignore the storyline from that point on.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:31 AM

MIKEC

after reading the visual companion i can safely clear a few things up.

it's a reaver ship that disables serenity.

wash is dead. he got a bloody thelephone pole spike directly in the chest.

as for what the alliance were up to (not saving wash) i think they where busy having some sort of space battle.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:56 AM

BOWIE

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Originally posted by mikeC:
after reading the visual companion i can safely clear a few things up.

it's a reaver ship that disables serenity.

wash is dead. he got a bloody thelephone pole spike directly in the chest.

as for what the alliance were up to (not saving wash) i think they where busy having some sort of space battle.

Some soprta space battle. Roflamo Thats putting it mildly.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:10 PM