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Originally posted by Shiny:
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Saturday night?

"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I don't know Brain, where would be get lederhosen at this time of night?"

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Originally posted by Zelda:
This is a tough one, and it bugs me too. One thing I've noticed is that it depends on the type of Buffy/Angel fan. Being a latecomer to the Buffyverse (Season 4 summer reruns on), and somewhat sardonic by nature, I thought of it primarily as funny, dark and deeply moving. I've noticed that fans from the first couple of seasons tend to think of it more in terms of romance than I do - hence the eternal debates we have over Seasons 2 & 6 (I refuse to call Season 2 the best Buffy season ever, and I liked 6, in all of its sad twistedness). My experience has been that these earlier fans are either hostile toward Firefly, or just don't like it as much because the characters are more...well, Western. There's less interpersonal pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth, and more of the funny, dark and deeply moving.

My random 2 cents on the topic.

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Originally posted by Zoriah:
Hi all,

It has shocked me how many of my fellow avid Buffy and Angel fan friends have not given Firefly a chance for various reasons. What can I do to get them to look past their prejudices?

Main stumbling blocks seem to be:

1) Resentment at Joss Whedon for abandoning BtVS and AtS in their final years for Firefly (in their opinion)

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2) Complaints that Firefly is a sci fi.

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3) They saw one episode when it aired and didn't like the western theme.

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I am in awe of Firefly and find it hard to believe that so few of my friends who enjoy Joss Whedon's other shows seem willing to sit down and get introduced to this amazing new JW 'verse.


Any advice is appreciated.

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Originally posted by Zelda:
I apologized if I ruffled any feathers. I also think that Season 2 is brilliant - truly brilliant. However, as someone who started later I see it as the first realization of how brilliant the show I loved could be. It's like that was the time when they realized how much they could do - and then they went on to do it for another 5 years. My frustration is with my friends who maintain that Season 2 was the best and everything slid downhill from there. Since all they want from Joss is some reiteration of the Buffy/Angel romance, nothing that he's done since then (including Firefly) has been good enough.

It's been disappointing to me that these people, whom I counted on as obvious Firefly allies, haven't been, because after years of listening to them sing the praises of Joss, they turn out to only like the one thing he does. The farthest I've gotten with any of them was that I got one to watch the first 20 minutes of Serenity, after which she commented: "it didn't really grab me," and hasn't watched any more since.

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Originally posted by OzGal:
First time I have posted here from Melbourne, Australia

I'm a ATS fan wanting to know more about Firefly. My question is are the DVD's available on Region 4 format - I have hunted in all the known Australia sites for DVD's but alas I cannot locate FireFly.

Could someone please let me know as I would love to jump on board and become fully immersed in the Firefly world. At the moment I feel like on the outside looking in :)

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