Writers Strike?? by Tholo

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Writers Strike??

POSTED BY: THOLO
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:44 AM

Do yall think this will help get Firefly/Serenity back in some form, TV or Movie?

Will this strike after its over or during, give Joss some kind of ground to stand on for more Firefly/Serenity??

I would like to know what yall(sorry Iam from Texas.) think.

Thanks

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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:26 AM

NOBLEBROWNCOAT

One can only hope...

But the our BDHs doing other shows, would we be able to get them back?

Maybe i'm looking too far ahead.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

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Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:40 PM

SBAR

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Originally posted by NobleBrowncoat:
One can only hope...

But the our BDHs doing other shows, would we be able to get them back?

Maybe i'm looking too far ahead.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

But, all the cast has said they would do Firefly/Serenity in a heartbeat, so they would have to find time for a movie when they are in between jobs. Or where a show is concerned maybe see if their guest spots are for a limited time, etc.
I think patience will win out. I see another movie in the future. Look at the sales of games, books, movies, etc. and the new fans coming to Firefly daily. This one is dear to Joss' heart. It won't die.
I'm a hopeful optimist!! :)
SBar

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Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:52 PM

STRANGEBIRD

I really love two of the current shows with a BDH in them. I'm not really sure I'd want them to leave even for a Firefly series. I seriously doubt Joss has one up his sleeve right now anyway. He has a new baby call Dollhouse at the moment. I wouldn't doubt there will be more from the 'verse later down the road but Firefly is over... sad to say but it's true. I can see another series with some of our BDH's, more likely a spin-off with new characters in a completely different setting. It's a fun daydream but it's just that... a dream. If we get anything it's years down the road yet. Just enjoy what we got, find something new and enjoy that as much as you can. We are all waiting and wishing together.

P.S. Speaking of Big Damn Heroes... new Chuck in just under two hours... get your DVDs ready to watch an episode of Firefly while they air that travesty called The Apprentice between the Chucks.

Also I say Y'all too sometimes. I'm from Beaufort, SC so it's a 100% true southern accent. Not that fake crap you hear on TV and from old ladies who think it's charming so they play it up.

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Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:05 PM

TRAVELER

If you were on a hit TV series would you drop it to chance another run with Firefly? If you have work you don't walk away from it. And these shows are good. So at least we get to see some of our cast members having some success.

Warning! Rant coming!
Drive should be there as well. Another great show that was not given a chance.

Sorry for my little rant;
Traveler

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Friday, January 25, 2008 3:40 AM

SBAR

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Originally posted by traveler:
If you were on a hit TV series would you drop it to chance another run with Firefly? If you have work you don't walk away from it. And these shows are good. So at least we get to see some of our cast members having some success.

Warning! Rant coming!
Drive should be there as well. Another great show that was not given a chance.

Sorry for my little rant;
Traveler

This is very true. I, too, wouldn't leave a sucessful show, but a movie could be worked in to their schedules. I see another movie in the future, but not any time real soon.
SBar

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Friday, January 25, 2008 7:38 AM

NOBLEBROWNCOAT

I've also been wondering, if we get another show or movie with the same characterswhere would it go?

I'd be happy to have new stuff but I sure would miss Book and Wash.

I'll wait to go into detail about my opinions on this because I'm sure it's been discussed before I'm just too lazy to look. If there's an old thread to this effect could someone link it? I'd rather read it before going into detail or jacking this thread.

thanks :)

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Friday, January 25, 2008 8:09 AM

HELL'S KITTEN

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Originally posted by Tholo:
Do yall think this {WGA Strike} will help get Firefly/Serenity back in some form, TV or Movie?

...how?

I've been trying to think about this the last couple days, honestly, but I just don't see it: where is the connection between this strike and Firefly? It just seems so random, you may as well have asked "Do y'all think the WGA Strike will help get {insert any previously cancelled show} back in some form?" A butterfly flaps its wings in Hong Kong and suddenly Firefly is back on TV.

So, please, help me see the logic here...? ((confused))

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Friday, January 25, 2008 8:51 AM

STRANGEBIRD

I think the point is Hollywood can't come up with new stuff during the strike.... which still destroys any chance of a return for a canceled series unless they had lot's of unfilmed scripts.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 10:07 AM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by NobleBrowncoat:
One can only hope...
But the our BDHs doing other shows, would we be able to get them back?

Well, if the writers strike drags on, and the studios find they can make a profit on sport and reality crap, maybe a few more of the Wheedonverse actors can come over here to the UK and appear in Dr Who or Torchwood...

Hey, perhaps they could re-make Blake's 7 with the Firefly cast!

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Friday, January 25, 2008 10:59 AM

STRANGEBIRD

Good idea. I'm not really a fan of either but it would be great exposure. Don't get me wrong they are good shows, they just don't interest me. Same with Buffy and Angel.

Anyway seeing as Stargate: Atlantis is fairly unaffected by the strike we'll still have Jewel getting her time. She's not on every episode but the ones she's on she shines. And rumor is that she may be upgraded next season. Just a rumor and not a widespread one at this point. I think they just started her smaller to ease her in on the Beckett fans(which I am among, I loved Carson as the doctor) and to see how she fits the role so they don't have another problem like they did with Ford. Rainbow felt he didn't fit the role from what I've heard which is why they wrote him off and brought in Jason Momoa as Ronon Dex.

Ok back on topic. Sorry.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 11:18 AM

JONGSSTRAW

It's a damn shame! When I think about the 100's of millions of dollars that are gonna be pissed away this year on something as meaningless as Presidential campaigns, I can only think that'd be enough money for a BDM sequel AND a cable mini-series! This country's priorities are screwed up.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 11:40 AM

COZEN

I'm going to posit the horrible likelihood that the Firefly/Serenity series of tv shows and movies is dead, buried, gone. For many reasons, including lack of studio and production interest, the unavailability of the actors involved, the aging of said actors, the fact the Whedon killed off the heart and soul of the series (Wash & Book). I'm not referring to comics.

So, what's left, aside from comics, is the community created around Serenifly, which, though injured, is vibrant and alive. Proof being the number of fanatics populating this shiny website, amongst others.

There's signs pointing toward the end of the WGA strike, what with the contract with Lion's Gate and the fact the union won't be picketing the Grammy Awards. So, let's say the WGA settles all of its differences tomorrow: what then? Joss has his new series with Dushku (sp?), Fillion and the rest of the Firefly cast appear for the most part to be elsewise employed, and Universal, who own the rights to Serenity, are moot regarding what they want to do with those rights.

We do have each other. That ain't so bad. In fact, it's a good thing.

I dunno, likely it's just that a 'verse without Book and Wash in it just damages my calm.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 2:39 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
Do yall think this {WGA Strike} will help get Firefly/Serenity back in some form, TV or Movie?
...how?

I've been trying to think about this the last couple days, honestly, but I just don't see it: where is the connection between this strike and Firefly? It just seems so random, you may as well have asked "Do y'all think the WGA Strike will help get {insert any previously cancelled show} back in some form?" A butterfly flaps its wings in Hong Kong and suddenly Firefly is back on TV.

So, please, help me see the logic here...? ((confused))

Ditto. Someone please explain.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 3:04 PM

TRAVELER

One thing I could see is a spin-off. About fifty years later the Serenity is back at some used spacecraft bone yard and a new perspective owner is caught in the trance of the Serenity's spell. Now we have whole new characters with different stories.

Maybe the Allience is finally recovering from the scum that were playing power games. So there would be new antagonists. And they could be allowed so shady deals just to earn the cash to keep Serenity afloat.

I feel too many years have slid by. Joss must have thousands of project racing through his head. I can not blame Joss if he wants to pursue other ideas. And as I said in an earlier post, the crew are finding their own opportunities on show like Stargate Atlantis and Chuck. So a spin-off is the only way I think we will see Serenity again. And it may not be with Joss at the wheel. FOX may put someone else at the in the drivers seat.

To quote Dr. Smith from Lost in Space, "Oh the pain! The pain!"

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Friday, January 25, 2008 3:47 PM

STRANGEBIRD

Again I think the point was they thought since the Writer's Strike is going on Hollywood needs new material or something. Honestly it's not logical at all. I could see maybe a show that got scrapped yet had dozens of unfilmed scripts might be done but for one thing the strike looks to be near it's end. Either way the strike won't bring back Firefly. It's not a stretch to see why the original poster thought it might but it also doesn't take much thinking to see how illogical it is as well as silly. Still it's a nice thought and I hope someday there is a spin-off. I think theres much to tell of the 'verse.

@the above post. Seriously if there is a spinoff I doubt even if Serenity herself will be in it. At least regularly. I'm not Joss... haha.. but if I were doing a spinoff I'd set it either on a rim world in a small mining or farming community or in one of the outer core worlds and center around the organization that helped Simon bust his sister out of the Academy. Joss likes big stories with fun characters that balance realism with absurdity so I'd be willing to bet on something so completely unexpected it hurts.

Anyway again this post is silly and the strike won't bring back Firefly. Nice daydream though.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 4:08 PM

THOLO

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
Do yall think this {WGA Strike} will help get Firefly/Serenity back in some form, TV or Movie?
...how?

I've been trying to think about this the last couple days, honestly, but I just don't see it: where is the connection between this strike and Firefly? It just seems so random, you may as well have asked "Do y'all think the WGA Strike will help get {insert any previously cancelled show} back in some form?" A butterfly flaps its wings in Hong Kong and suddenly Firefly is back on TV.

So, please, help me see the logic here...? ((confused))

I guess I was thinking that maybe when terms and such came up, that it would be stated that "some of our(writers)work needs to really be given a chance to shine" ya know, they killed shows with out giving writers a chance to tell a story. Joss had to re-write stuff cause FOX didnt like it.

I guess I am just wishing for a round table discussion to be kinda like this

Ya, and before we come back to work, we want shows that we have done and have a large following to be given a second chance. (or something like that)

I know the strike wont bring Firefly back, I am just pondering and asking you guys if you think it will help or hurt Joss's position(future shows/movies)? Thats all.

thanks

Keep Flying!!

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Friday, January 25, 2008 6:48 PM

STRANGEBIRD

I doubt it will help or hurt. Seriously it's all they can do to sit down with these people, I doubt they will bring up the topic of previously canceled shows, or much of anything other than the business of fair payment.

I feel something is going to happen soon that will swiftly and abruptly alter the way television and movies are made and presented. Every couple decades or so something big seems to happen and every four of five something even bigger does. Don't ask me what I just have a feeling going to the movies won't be remotely same in ten years or so.

Who knows, we might get something even better than Firefly from Joss someday. I'll be watching Dollhouse and I have hopes for it but I'm not letting myself get too excited. It is Fox after all.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 7:58 PM

THOLO

Here is another thing I have been thinking about and dont have a real answer for. I am reading the book called "Serenity Found" and there is a lot of well know(in the hollywood inner circles) who give there take on Firefly/Serenity. They all seen to love it and have really good takes on the verse.

Why did it fail? I know Fox shot it down before it had a chance, but it had enough push to get a movie out of 11 episodes.

Why did the movie fail? I mean why not box office records and stuff ya know. It was well written and well acted. Sfx were good. Good reviews. Why did it tank? There have been many other movies that were "sleepers" and have gone on to be big box office movies and now you have sequals? What gives, really?

I know i will get the "well people just dont know anything about it." commints, but even with that, if it was such a great movie, then word of mouth should have helped save it for a sequal?

dont get me wrong, i love the verse. even more than star wars, and i have loved that since i was a sperm, haha but not after being exposed to Firefly/Serenity. Now it's top of my list, and will be for a long time.

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Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:25 PM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by Tholo:
Why did it tank? There have been many other movies that were "sleepers" and have gone on to be big box office movies and now you have sequals? What gives, really?

Possibly because the modern definition of "tank" is "fails to make windfall profits on the opening weekend". Word-of-mouth doesn't really work if the film is only in cinemas for 3 weeks.

Did we ever get to find out how well it sold on DVD?

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Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:46 PM

STINKINGROSE

Start flapping!!!! Start flapping!!!

Sorry, I'm OK now. Just got a little carried away grasping at straws is all.

I don't think the writers are going to come out of this as some new powerhouse or force to be reckoned with in Hollywood.
The next round of contract negotiations with actors may go a bit better, or the studio execs could really have their hackles up if the current strike does not end quite the way they want it to.

Who knows? Crystal ball's in the shop, tarot deck has gone blank, and the stars ain't a-talkin'.

I'd love to be able to put an envelope to my head and say "Sequel in 2 years, five years out the series returns and is even better than before.", but I can't and I don't think anyone else can either.

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Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:49 PM

MASTERBATES

Before I start playing the devil's advocate, here's something optimistic (and true!) to balance it out: Star Trek was canceled due to poor ratings. We all know what happened to that universe.

Now here comes the pessimism:

What with the actors steadily getting older and all, if there is going to be any sequel or a continuation of the series it will have to be soon if it's going to happen at all. Before long it will reach the point where, even with makeup, at least one or two of the actors will start to look noticeably different from their appearances on the show and movie (think Scotty in the first Star Trek movie, but a bit less dramatic). Unless Joss secretly has something in the works (which he probably doesn't, as most of the actors are otherwise employed and he has a show to work on, but he has done some amazing things in the past and anything is possible) or Universal greenlights a sequel very soon, I don't see much of a chance for a screen continuation of Firefly. A spinoff is possible, but I think the most likely turn of events is that the 'Verse will only live on in comic book and game form.

However, that doesn't change the fact that the fanbase that has grown around this show is every bit as cool as the show itself. The fan community has produced so much cool stuff (fics, filks, fanart, even a few fan-made games) and so many fun times that I would be hard-pressed to say which is better - the fanbase or the show. Despite the fact that the show was canceled 6 years ago, regardless of the fact that the film was something of a box office disappointment, the Firefly fan community is both active and growing, against all odds. I don't know what will happen to the show, but I can picture this fan community still being around ten years from now. And, through our own tenacity and dedication, even if no one else does, I know that we'll keep the 'Verse alive. I still hope that Joss will pull a miracle out of his butt and save our show, but until he can, it's our job to do what we can. We'll hold the line.

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