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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
My guess is that there are a lot of women over 25 that would like to see a happy ending movie where the lead gets married to a rich dude.

Sort of the Cinderella syndrome; it's the female equivalent to the Peter Pan syndrome (lol).

Quite frankly I don't get the whole SJP thing (I'm a Kristin Davis fan). I think its mostly the fashion, but meeting the millionaire hunk who'll marry you in good ol' NY could be a draw as well.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
These woman talked real and tackled interesting issues, such as the assumption that any sexually active woman is a "slut"

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Originally posted by CharlieBZ:
even Jayne wouldn't call a woman who enjoys sex a slut.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:

I didn't hate KOTCS as much as 'Temple of Doom' , but it wasn't up to the standard of 'Raiders' or 'The Last Crusade'...

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Originally posted by CharlieBZ:
I'll accept Mal's usage of the word "whore" only because I love him so but even Jayne wouldn't call a woman who enjoys sex a slut.

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Originally posted by whozit:
4 old women in high heals beat an old man in a hat......sad

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
LOL! OK Chrisisall - tell me you didn't just go to a certain climatic scene in Drunken Master...

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
LOL, actually I was thinking of Armor Of God, but it's still Jackie...

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Originally posted by mal4prez:Tell me JSF, what is it about sexually empowered women that scares you so? And how does your brain manage to be so abusive of the SatC characters, yet carry a torch for the actress who plays the sexually free Kaylee Frye?

Really, as a fan of the workings of twisted psyches, I'm very curious as to how you make this work...

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Originally posted by JRC:
Whoa!! Hold the phone here. Indiana Jones has grossed almost half a billion dollars worldwide (in 14 days), and Sex in the City just crept over the $100 million dollar mark worldwide (in 5 days). And folks are saying that Sex is "whipping" (pardon the pun) Indy? Boy, I'd like to get whipped like that!

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Tell me JSF, what is it about sexually empowered women that scares you so? And how does your brain manage to be so abusive of the SatC characters, yet carry a torch for the actress who plays the sexually free Kaylee Frye?

Really, as a fan of the workings of twisted psyches, I'm very curious as to how you make this work...

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I am not a fan of characters (nor real people) who consider sex to be a weapon, manipulation tool, etc.

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Kaylee does not looked thrilled at the prospect of sex with Jubal.

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Manipulation (or attempts) are the least favorable quality of women.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

regarding kaylee and Inara specifically - readers here are more familiar:
Kaylee does not looked thrilled at the prospect of sex with Jubal.
Kaylee does not seem to have a fling during BDS, after meeting Simon, who she pines for.
kaylee is surrounded by men/boys in Shindig, but her interest in the buffet clarifies her priorities.
Kaylee does not get it on with Tracey, Shindig boys, sly HoG boys, Dobson, jayne, Mal, or any of the other opport5unities she had? As long as Simon is not filling the void (ahem), she could consider them fair game. But if she did, she would not have done it to twist or connive her relations with Simon, mostly just so she could hav good sex - she would have been straighforward, honest.
i consider her "betwixt nethers" line in BDM to indicate celibacy during Firefly. if kaylee had used some slub to rankle Simon into a more frisky state, many viewers would have a poorer view of Kaylee, even tho we all know she is sexually free. Manipulation (or attempts) are the least favorable quality of women.

Can Inara be straight, honest with anybody regarding sex - other than technical discussion? How about Mal? I think not so much. yet slut would not be right for Inara, for Mal suggests she's a whore, and others mention "space hooker" which would not be the same as slut.

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Originally posted by Jadehand:
The only person involved worth watching is Cynthia Nixon. I recall her from "The Manhattan Project".

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Originally posted by Iremist:
Well, Mr Black, I saw something on my favorite odd news site that I that would be right up your alley (since you keep an eye on all things in our actual sky!)

...Anyway, Virgin Galactic space tourism company has reported that they have had several requests by couples who want to be the first to have sex in space. Personally I think some astronauts woulda done that already, just not advertised...

Gee, that's one flight I'd like to see GET OFF the ground!!!

Yea-I just had to go there, ya know

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Whooooo. Sluts tops Jones for, like, almost a whole day (Friday), like far out. On Sat, Sun, week old Indy whipped the Sluts again, and will comntinue to.
Indy's first week was over $150 mil domestic, and 2nd weekend was 47, while Sluts had 27 on Friday night and another 28 mil for Sat & Sun. Sluts will be lucky to get 10 mil next week...

Yes, I understand women want to prop up any false victory they can find, but using this as a direct comparison reminds me of the "Battle of the sexes" in 1973 when 30 year old Billy Jean King played 55 year old Bobby Riggs who came out of his retirement 30 years after being the number 1 player, and feminists proclaimed this as an equal competition.
Next week Slut can compare their take to that of Transformers, and if they beat it, can clain it is proof it's all that.

yay.

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Originally posted by Iremist:


Ya know, I've had many discussions about this subject lately and it's all point of view...

One person's sexually empowered woman/man is another person's slut. I believe that when the desire for sex becomes destructive and that person completely ignores the consequences of sex then that person has become a "slut".

As someone who has only slept with one person(that I happen to be married to and have NEVER felt that having only one lover has denied me anything) my definition of a slut is probably more strict than most.
But I should also say that one of my favorite characters is Inara because to me she represents fantasy and strength at the same time, but I have no desire to BE a companion....

I'm sure that to many people Kaylee represents innocence and Mal is protection and Book represents secrecy, etc....

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Originally posted by Iremist:

PS I have not yet seen K o t Crystal Skull, but someone mentioned that it was gory, is that true?
Also, was it as contrived as I hear it is?

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Seriously, though, that's the nicest compliment I've received in a great while.

Unfortunately, my family comes complete with an overdeveloped judgemental mentality, and that's a madness I'm constantly trying to break away from. And thank you for the movie recommendations. We're waiting till all the Narnia films are on video so's we can make a day of it...

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Originally posted by mal4prez:

JSF: Could it be that you haven't even seen S&tC? Hmm... You said: "Kim Catrall, who unless I'm mistaken plays a sexually free character on S&tC..." OK, it's pretty clear that you haven't even seen the show. And yet you judge the characters so freely?

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I am not a fan of characters (nor real people) who consider sex to be a weapon, manipulation tool, etc.

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Which characters are these? If you are referring to the S&tC ladies, please, offer an actual argument with evidence. And good luck with that, since you'd need to watch the show first.

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So, in S&tC, the character of Charlotte (Kristen Davis) who is favored by some viewers ..., is very open about using sex to get men to commit to her. There are whole episodes based on how she strings men along. Sex on the first date ruins the chances of marriage - she argues this often. There are also episodes about how she considers giving in to odd fetishes she doesn't much like, just so that she can hold onto her man and maybe get that diamond ring and fancy New York wedding.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Thank you for that verbiage. A more fully and clearly description of a deceitful, conniving, manipulative slut might never be found in this thread.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
You may have heard of story arcs, character development, attempting to avoid story stagnation??

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Your implication here is that in the past 10 years or so, the characters on S&tC have not changed, at least since the last time I saw it.

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Thankfully I have not missed anything.
Try to expand your horizons and watch something new once in a while.

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Thank you for that verbiage. A more fully and clearly description of a deceitful, conniving, manipulative slut might never be found in this thread.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
You may have heard of story arcs, character development, attempting to avoid story stagnation??

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Indeed I have. Is there a point?

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Your implication here is that in the past 10 years or so, the characters on S&tC have not changed, at least since the last time I saw it. Thankfully I have not missed anything.
Try to expand your horizons and watch something new once in a while.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:


Wow. I think you need to change your ID to RANCEBURGESSFAN. You two seem to share the same views on women.

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Calm down and settle out. When you have stabilized, please attempt to seperate reality from tv land, fantasy, or other surrealities you visit. Jewel Staite is an actual person, a lovely actress in many wonderful works, including something called Firefly. She portrays Kaylee Frye, a fictional character in this teleplay. Rance Burgess, on the other hand, is not a real person, but a fictional role much like Kaylee, and also appearing in an episode of Firefly.

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You may have heard of story arcs, character development, attempting to avoid story stagnation??

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Indeed I have. Is there a point?

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Yes, the point is that the characters in your show have had none.

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