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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
This may have been discussed in other threads but here it goes:

I was watching the BDM last night for obscure clues from Joss through his characters as to what we may expect in the BDS and beyond.

I've noticed that Joss tends to give you clues through the character dialogue. For instance when Kaylee says she's gonna live after Simon expresses his love for her. And she does.

Shepperd Book tells Mal to believe in River. This started, at least that I noticed, in OiS when he follows River's plan. But in the BDM he believes that she's a person whole and real, and not just a weapon. River connects and identifies with the Captain thoroughly. Both he and Jayne are perhaps the easiest to read, for different reasons of course.

Thats why she didn't shoot him in the Maidenhead. She knew he wouldn't. But here's something I noticed last night as I watched for the umpteenth time.
River cannot read Simon all the time. In the BDM River says to Simon she couldn't tell if he was going to make her sleep.

I also get the feeling that River's dream sequences did not end at Maidenhead. Somehow I think that Joss had her dream straight through from there until the end. Just a theory based strictly on instinct.



In earnest Mal, Why did you let her back onto the boat?

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Originally posted by Freebrowncoat:

Joss does drop clues in his writing. Well, he didn't give a hint about Wash getting harpooned,

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Originally posted by Freebrowncoat:
Interesting observations.

IN the Maidenhead River was surely distracted enough to not be ablke to read Simon's intent. She had just beaten up the whole bar, and the one man she could trust, Mal, was holding a gun on her. She couldn't shoot because she knew he wouldn't.

It is interesting that the one person, Simon, whom she's closest to emotionally, seems to be harder to read. But the one time she cannot read him, without the above mentioned distraction, was when she didn't know if he was going to make her sleep. Only one incident , at least the only one that comes to mind.

That Kaylee says she's gonna live, have to agree with your concept.

Joss does drop clues in his writing. Well, he didn't give a hint about Wash getting harpooned, but with River he does. Perhaps he thinks we believe in the psychic link, that it is the only characterization that allows for prediction.

What are the other hints you have noticed. I just love analysing The Joss in differing lights.



MAL
Or near enough. Am I the only one
thinking along those lines?

BOOK
No.

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
You make a good point about River's actions in the Maidenhead and how she got better on Miranda. I was so busy looking for any sliver of hope that
Wash and Book are not dead.

I did notice that River "gets better" after throwing up when she tells Simon "I'm fine."
What I love about this film is that nothing is as it seems and you need to pay attention to everything to keep pace.

Thanks for the clarification.

Tawabawho?

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Why animosity between Mal and Simon?
Simon forfeited his entire LIFE to keep River away from Alliance snoops. Mal decides, without consulting Simon, to take River where the Alliance can find her. Simon has, in accordance with previous agreement, been serving as ship medic/doc as trade for passage for he and River.
Simon was right to hide River, as proven in Maidenhead - and Mal was wrong.

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Originally posted by Hoperules:
I have to agree with Riverlove.

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