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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:20 AM
GODDESSOFCHAOS35
Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:14 AM
ZEEK
Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:52 AM
LWAVES
Quote:Originally posted by GoddessofChaos35: Now some friends need our help, with a little show called SGU. Maybe we can get a TV MOVIE AT THE VERY LEAST. THEIR FANS and OUR FANS.... WE CAN WIN THIS! SO,from one brown-coat to another!Help me raise awareness with a little show called SGU!We can help their voices be heard!
Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:47 AM
BYTEMITE
Wednesday, May 25, 2011 2:22 PM
BORIS
Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Um. I haven't seen any of the Star Gates, so forgive my interjection, but the above logic putting SGA over SGU doesn't make sense. If one show in a franchise fails, it decreases the possibility for success of other shows in the franchise. As well as the successes of any actors, directors, or producers involved or associated with the franchise. That's why Firefly fans hoped Dollhouse would do well, and are now hoping that Avengers will do well. It doesn't matter if we're fans of that particular series, what matters is that it's all connected and every bit of success under the belt of a franchise or creator helps.
Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:56 AM
Thursday, May 26, 2011 1:59 AM
Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:28 AM
CANADIAN
Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:11 PM
DREAMTROVE
Thursday, May 26, 2011 2:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Actually, the reason why Dollhouse was canceled was because it didn't have as many fans and the reason there was no campaign to revive it was because the fans felt lucky to get what they did.
Quote: Judging by the first entry into this thread, there is both sufficient quantity of fans and also sufficient quantity of feeling like SGU didn't get a chance that some want it to continue.
Quote: The argument against helping those fans comes across, to me, as more of a like vs. dislike of the show thing. I mean, we're here on a firefly fan board. Firefly during it's actual run was not very successful, so going by your logic, we shouldn't support it because it's failure is bringing down Joss. We obviously continue to support it because we like it, despite any futility inherent in that. So your objection clearly is not so much that you think SGU's lack of success is bringing down the franchise, but that you don't LIKE is as much as the other fare from the franchise. Because if you liked it, I can only assume based on your presence here that you would support the show regardless of it's success.
Quote: And, as I have said, the problem with taking that stance is this: you want the show to be canceled in the hopes that efforts would be directed at another, better entry into the franchise.
Quote: But canceling is an even bigger mark against a series/ franchise than low ratings! Worser, it may suggest to the network that popularity for the franchise might be waning. So this would damage the chances of getting new entries in the franchise.
Quote: When Dollhouse aired, chances improved for a Firefly renewal, contingent on the success of Dollhouse. When Dollhouse was not successful, the chance of Firefly renewal reverted to an original state. We did not get either a continuation of Dollhouse (except in comic books!) or Firefly out of that, and so the conclusion that you have to pick one or the other is faulty.
Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:39 PM
Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Dammit. Firefox 4 doesn't retain messages like the old firefoxes do when they're lost. it's like they copied all the features of Internet Explorer, even the layout of the user interface, when IE is inferior to Firefox.
Quote: 2) Franchise: a) Authorization granted by a manufacturing enterprise to a distributor to market the manufacturer's products -- Joss franchises his work out to tv and film studios for distribution. Joss is a franchise. b) a film that is or has the potential to be part of a series and lends itself to merchandising -- Also applicable to films that have tv series, and tv series that have films. Therefore: Firefly is a franchise.
Quote: 3) "It almost seems by your comments that you think people that watch a show/franchise should stand behind a failed show and route for it even if it may be at the expense of other, more successful shows in the franchise. That doesn't make sense to me." This, as I have said, is a logical fallacy known as a false dilemma. You don't have to choose between them, and success in either one improves success for the other.
Quote: Your arguments are very similar to Buffy/Angel fans who think Browncoats should give up because firefly was less popular and successful. I tend to disagree with THEM too.
Quote: Sidenote: Buffy/Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse have all spun off comic books as a continuation of the stories. I support all of the comic books, because the Whedonverse in general does well if all of the parts do well. Within a certain certain definitions of successful, obviously comic books will likely not sell as much as tv series or movies as it's a smaller demographic.
Quote: I do not fault Joss Whedon for working on Dollhouse, no matter what my personal feelings are about Dollhouse, nor do I fault him for working on Buffy and Angel comics over Firefly comics.
Friday, May 27, 2011 5:42 AM
Quote: But I'll try to put this again to you with another hypothetical. If the comics had been of poor quality, poor writing etc and they had poor sales, would you really want them to continue just to keep something out there with the name on it? Or would you prefer that they said something like 'Okay we tried that, it didn't work, let's try something else'.
Quote: I feel like we are just circling around the same points and probably won't agree on the major aspects brought up, even if we can agree on some of the finer details. I do get where you're coming from and agree with a lot of what you say but I don't agree on the other areas.
Friday, May 27, 2011 10:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Sure. We can drop it if you like.
Quote: There are a number who think this IS the case for the comics. They refuse to support any of the comics because they believe it distracts Joss from working on getting Firefly back on air, or because comics just can't capture the feel of the tv series and the tv series is much better. A number of people would prefer there to be no comics. They are in direct conflict with the people who like the comics despite their limitations. I believe something is better than nothing. And even if I didn't like the comics (and I have found some of them disappointing, and I'm not really a buyer of Buffy/Angel or the Dollhouse comics), I would still support their existence for the fans that DO like them, by decrying their cancellation should it happen.
Friday, May 27, 2011 11:07 AM
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