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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
So with Avengers seemingly breaking all records and making executives very happy and heavy in the wallet, surely this is now the best chance there is for Joss to revive Firefly; and/or produce a SERENITY sequel, no ?

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Originally posted by ZZETTA13:
Great thread !

So Joss showing the world that he is a bankable writer and director! We, Browncoats already knew that, didn’t we!

I totally agree with you on this THESOMNAMBULIST. With Nathan, Adam, Morena, Jewel, Christina, Mark, Alan and so many FF alums making good for themselves, I say Joss should strike, “while the iron is hot” ! Just a figure of speech of course, but folks know what I mean!

Anyway, I don’t mean at this very moment, but people now are seeing what we have known all along. I’m saying this and I haven’t even seen the movie yet. I know it’s great though, I’ve already heard through channels.

I’ve love to see me some more Firefly, tv, movies, or mini-series. Don’t make much matter!

Anyway, I’m glad that you posted this thread. I was thinking the same thing!

Z

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Originally posted by JARHEAD:
The only way it ever happens is if Joss makes enough money with his deal for the next Avengers movie to fund it himself like with Dr. Horrible.

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Cabin in the Woods might be the poison pill in all this. Avengers showed that Joss can be a success with a blockbuster, but Cabin in the Woods showed that his personal quirky creations don't really do much at the box office. Who knows how studio execs think? If it were me that would tell me not to just fund any old thing Joss wants to do.

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Originally posted by lwaves:
Cabin In The Woods was always going to be a hard sell and it's no surprise to me that it underperformed, even though I really enjoyed it. Basically it's a horror movie which plugs itself as being different from all the other horror movies. How many times have we heard that before from other horror movies and they've turned out to be the same old stuff. It sounds like marketing. In this case it just happens to have a ring of truth about it. The trailer didn't help as a portion of horror fans are going to think they can figure it all out from that. Especially as trailers have been known to give too much away. Plus Joss only co-wrote and produced it, not directed it. That makes a big difference IMO as a lot of people won't see this as a Joss movie. Bringing up Spielberg again, it's kind of like the fact that he produced the Transformers movies (or at least the first one) yet you'd never consider them Spielberg movies.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Well if you're going to be like THAT, then every genre is technically a niche market. Space western like Serenity, superhero movie like The Avengers.

What I meant with Cabin in the Woods is that it's a indy quirky horror/comedy deconstruction. And while the other aspects might not make it quite niche, I wouldn't call Shaun of the Dead or Zombieland niche for example, the indy part of it kinda does.

Serenity's not niche because the genre is pretty common and because it was distributed by a mainstream studio. Clearly it has lasting appeal because we're still here TALKING about it and because it's still bringing in new fans, so I don't think you can argue that the problem is that Firefly/Serenity wouldn't/doesn't appeal to a broad audience. The movie did not do well at the box office among mainstream audiences because of the then relatively unknown quality of Joss and the actors, meaning a lack of brand familiarity, not a lack of appeal.

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Originally posted by Suasor:
After Avengers, Joss will be listened to much more intently, and a lot more thought and consideration will go into how any new Firefly projects are turned down.

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As for Firefly/Serenity?
I too hope that something will turn up but I'm also realistic. Too much time has gone by, the cast have grown older, moved on and whilst, like us, they look back very fondly on that time it won't be the same as it was then. Even if they got everybody back together it still wouldn't be the same show. It would be extremely hard, near impossible to recreate the magic that was there at the time. And the last thing any of us would want is a sub-par offering that tarnished the memories we have.

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Originally posted by Suasor:
Then again, Firefly TNG is a possibility, leaving open the chance of guest shots by some of the original cast.

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and is widely ignored by the rest of the world. Thats about as niche as you get.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

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and is widely ignored by the rest of the world. Thats about as niche as you get.

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You're like retrospectively calling it a niche movie because it had a small devoted fanbase to start with and the fanbase didn't get much bigger afterward.

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Serenity was a mainstream space western genre movie that got a lot of critical acclaim but did mediocre at the box office because the cast and Joss were fairly unknown at the time. That's all. It's not niche.

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And even then - it wasn't marketed to everyone - it was marketed to sci-fi fans, and Joss fans (From the creator of Buffy - a show which, even at its peak - was NICHE).

Im not sure which definition of "niche" you're going with, but as far as I can tell, there are 2 that apply to the film industry - and Firefly/Serenity fits either:

NICHE: a distinct segment of a market.

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pertaining to or intended for a market niche; having specific appeal

In film industry terms - its about as niche as you get. Sorry.

It was intended for mainstream - but it never GOT THERE - because the mainstream rejected it. You can come up with all the rationalizations as to why that you like - it's still not a mainstream property.

It was successfull however, with a very specific section of the market. Niche by definition.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
It's just a mainstream movie that failed, guys.

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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
Shiny that was HUGELY entertaining! A better stream of posts I have not seen. It ran like a stand up performance. You had me laughing and applauding at your vision.

Brilliant!

Cheers

°...Well here I am.°

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Why do I bring up X-Men? Because it is a Marvel franchise. Because it was directed by anybody - Bryan Singer (Usual Suspects, Superman Returns, and the upcoming Battlestar Galactica). Because Brett Ratner directed X-Men: Last Stand, the Rush Hour franchise and the more recent Tower Heist. Money isn't everything.....it's the only thing in Hollywood (apologies to Vince Lombardi). But there are more things that make a movie successful, IMHO. Is it widely accepted and is it critically acclaimed, these terms are not always mutually exclusive. Success is fickle. Look at the SpiderMan franchise, a can't miss phenomenom, until SpiderMan 3.

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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
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As for Firefly/Serenity?
I too hope that something will turn up but I'm also realistic. Too much time has gone by, the cast have grown older, moved on and whilst, like us, they look back very fondly on that time it won't be the same as it was then. Even if they got everybody back together it still wouldn't be the same show. It would be extremely hard, near impossible to recreate the magic that was there at the time. And the last thing any of us would want is a sub-par offering that tarnished the memories we have.

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Yeah I think you've about nailed it Lwaves. It's very hard to argue against this sentiment really, but I just feel Joss is a different animal. I think he could make Firefly work ten years from when it stopped, I also think he's a clever enough fellow to even bring back Buffy and still make it smart and relevant. He has that tenacity.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
True.

On the other hand I still think the movie failed because the actors and Joss lacked notoriety more than anything else. Joss at least should get same name cred now, and that MIGHT change the landscape.

But. It's also accurate that we don't know how much the actors still like the show, and if they're just being nice to the fans. Same with Joss.

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Originally posted by ZZETTA13:
You’re welcomed SGG! I actually found that You-Tube vid while looking up interviews for The Avengers. As you know, it was before the block-buster movie came out. I think Joss at that time knew he had a hit of his hands, but was still unsure of how big a success it would be.

If Disney is funding Tim Burton’s pet projects why shouldn’t they allow Joss a shot at a sequel, or even prequel to Serenity? It wouldn’t even have to be anytime soon. He could get started on the next Avengers while lining up the Firefly cast for a mini series reboot on tv. Maybe even a three night event like the History Channel will be doing tonight with “Hatfields & McCoys”.

Also, being allowed his own project or two, he could invite a couple of big name stars aboard such as Robert Downey, Jr., Scarlett Johansson & Samuel L. Jackson (as Jayne’s, Saffron’s & Book’s younger siblings respectively). Any one of them, or all of them together. Can you imagine the punch power that would have?

There are all kinds of scenarios that would allow Firefly to continue. The browncoat population remaining firm and holding together has never let Joss down, and we will be there when he’s ready to begin his space western again!

Z, still holdin.

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