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Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:56 AM
Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Howard:
What I said was not a conspiracy but an analysis of how the culture works.
Quote:The Studios are like the Alliance. There is a policy across all studios against ideas and opinions in big films this is acheived by dumbing down character exposition
Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:21 AM
Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:25 AM
Quote:posted by jax6213jax6213
I've never even heard of the show firefly and I used to be a big science fiction fan.
Yesterday I was bored with work and the people there, so I left early and walked around downtown Seattle. I went into a movie theater without even bothering to see what kind of movie was playing. I bought the usual popcorn and drink and went in and sat down.
After what seemed like about a year of coming attractions, the movie started; It caught my interest right from the opening scene, and I was on the edge of my chair throughout whole movie.
Later after I got home, I googled Serenity and found out that it had been on television, and it had been a series, but after 14 episodes it got yanked off the air.
I got into my car and went to the mall and purchased Firefly, the complete series. I got home and watched all of them, and I just finished the last one this morning.
My 1st impressions of the series is that its kind of a cheesy, spagetti western with space and frontier planets as its back drop, but its a likeable kind of cheesy.
The characters are all likeable, and they grow on you fast. I also have to admit, the woman who plays the ships "high class prostitute" is so beautiful. I have a thing for women with long dark hair, dark eyes and elfin features.
Anyway, I liked all the actors in the show; I liked how they interacted with each other, and I really liked the guy who played the captain, plus that cute engineer chick.
The stories were all good and well balanced, matter of fact, the stories were very engaging despite the (obviously) low budget of the show, so I'm really confused as to why it was yanked off the air??!!!:disappointed:
Everytime a series comes along thats really great, it gets cancelled and replaced with stupid crap like Buffy the vampire Slayer:pissed:.
This world is being fedex to hell in a handbasket:pissed:
Sunday, October 09, 2005 7:07 AM
Sunday, October 09, 2005 8:49 AM
Quote:Just look at what this guy posted on a board that I frequent...
Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:46 PM
Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
I think that some of the disappointed fans are not taking into considering the fact that the length of time between the show and the movie is greater than the length of time between the beginning of the show and the end of the show. So basically the crew probably had more adventures/misadventures during the time between the show and the movie than during the show and I would say that it is highly unlikely for them not to change during that time. The characters in the movie are probably what they would have been like in season 2 or 3 of the show.
Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:27 PM
Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Howard:
On the Reavers as soon as I heard that cast members were eating lunch with extras dressed in scary REAVERS costume...my heart sank!!
The whole point of the REAVERS in FIREFLY was the fear and terror of the unknown. Macho Jayne freaked out at the mere mention of them. Again this is so common in movies today and another element of corporate consumerist dumbing down. Everything has to be physical and "in ya face" instead of the psychological terror that can be so much more dramatic and longer lasting.
I also agree very much that Joss is SO naive in politIcal terms.
The idea that truth out generates change among the masses is fool-hardy especially in a society like the USA or the Alliance where material goodies and financial debt keeps people towing the line. Yes it is true that truth revealed gives activists and resisters fresh fire and motivation and boosts morale. But not among the mass of people. Then there is the naive idea that a corporatist information or media complex that is tied to the regime (IE GENERAL ELECTRIC they build nukes for the Pentagon and own NBC) is going to distribute truth out of the goodness of its own heart or that a regime like the ALLIANCE is not going to have technology to stop info from a source getting to people's "Wave" receivers.
Joss like many people in Hollywood are so naive that they believe if you have evidence of a war crime and take it to the NY TIMES that they are sure to print it. History has taught us this is far from so. The NY TIMES was in possession of hard evidence of the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people by the US military in Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam in the 60's and 70's but never printed 90% of it. The so-called Pentagon Papers were mere crumbs off the table.
The same is true today with torture by American soldiers and CIA agents of prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and GITMO. Only a fraction of the story is out in the big media and they pretend it is a past tense as if it does not continue while it does continue.
Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:39 PM
Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:13 PM
Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:17 PM
Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by sagrilarus:
Note that he is reviewing the series, not the film.
Monday, October 10, 2005 2:42 AM
Quote:Note that he discovered the series through seeing the film.
Monday, October 10, 2005 3:02 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 3:49 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 4:07 AM
Quote:I was disappointed by the deus ex machina moments.
Monday, October 10, 2005 4:36 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 5:05 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 5:19 AM
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
My friend and I actually laughed out loud at that point. ]
Monday, October 10, 2005 5:53 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 7:14 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 8:16 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 8:53 AM
Quote: If Wash dying did make it more “real” then I could maybe buy that up to the point where River goes running, unarmed, into a pack of Reavers that had just about killed the rest of the crew (including her brother who was shot, by a Reaver, from quite a distance mind you).
Monday, October 10, 2005 9:39 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 9:43 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 10:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by LadyBlue:
1) They killed Wash. Okay, okay, I have read all the message boards about how this made the film more real and how it upped the ante for everyone else. Well, let me just comment on that argument for a minute.
If Wash dying did make it more “real” then I could maybe buy that up to the point where River goes running, unarmed, into a pack of Reavers that had just about killed the rest of the crew (including her brother who was shot, by a Reaver, from quite a distance mind you). She not only obliterated all of them, but came away unscathed. Is this in line with reality? I cannot buy into reality at one point and then totally disregard it elsewhere. There are other reality problems I have but that would be the main one.
2) Mal’s character going dark. Again, I have heard the arguments that after everything Mal went through in the movie that it changed his character to where we see this darkness in him. If I accept this argument then I have to find fault with it later in the film. Why doesn’t Mal kill the operative? I mean the man was responsible for killing women and children, two of his crew, and countless others…..and he leaves him alive? Mal killed for lesser reasons in Firefly. He kicked Niska’s henchman through the engine, he shot the Alliance mole in the head – all without thinking twice and no questions asked. I think that by Mal not killing the operative that it cheapened Wash and Books deaths even more. Of course, it was convenient that he was alive so that he could call off the alliance soldiers in the end; but Mal had no way of knowing that.
Oh, and I know that Joss had always wanted Mal’s character to be dark but Fox would not let him. That is fine, but you have to logically get me from A to B.
3) Zoe’s emotional response to Wash dying – or should I say lack of. I have read that she did not have time to grieve; that she had to go to warrior mode and kick some Reaver ass. I did see a little bit of a response in how she fought the Reavers with an “I don’t care if I live or die” attitude – but that wasn’t enough for me. I wanted to see a melt down or at least some grieving. This might have made my emotional response one of grief rather than one of just plain pissed off. And, you can’t tell me she is not capable of it. I have never seen more tender moments between married characters then I did with Wash & Zoe. For example, in “War Stories” after she pays Niska to get Wash back and they are in the shuttle, the vulnerability she displays in just her physical actions alone is amazing. By not showing Zoe grieving I just feel as though it invalidated all of those loving moments that they had on Firefly. Oh, and in the end by showing Zoe fixing the window panel that was broken when Wash was killed was a kick in the gut.
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Monday, October 10, 2005 10:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by sagrilarus:
I still have the question standing though -- how come nobody that saw the pre-viewings of the film brought up these issues?
Monday, October 10, 2005 10:53 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 10:59 AM
Monday, October 10, 2005 12:09 PM
Monday, October 10, 2005 12:11 PM
Monday, October 10, 2005 4:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM:
To think that everyone including the Operative will rise up... or at least wake up... from a one-time airing of damning evidence shows a political naivete that I don't expect from Joss. After all, look at how many intelligent fans on this board STILL think that Bush is doing a good job. They haven't woke up yet! :biggrin: Again, I know he had to compress the story into movie-length, but that sort of trivial resolution just doesn't match the weight of the issues that he raises.
Monday, October 10, 2005 4:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Thing is because Mal pretended he was paralysed he kinda won through chicanery anyhow.
Monday, October 10, 2005 6:49 PM
Monday, October 10, 2005 7:34 PM
Monday, October 10, 2005 7:36 PM
Monday, October 10, 2005 8:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Why aren't people questioning that the Operative is still alive at the end of the movie? He went through the entire thing speaking about falling on ones sword when one screws up, etc. But, at the end of the movie, he has failed to do so himself.
Monday, October 10, 2005 8:44 PM
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:18 AM
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:32 AM
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:26 AM
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hothersale:
Have you seen it more than once? Personally, I found the ARROW'D so upsetting that it was hard to really enjoy the movie the first time round. I enjoyed it MUCH more on subsequent viewings. If you haven't already, I suggest watching it again to see if it's the same for you.
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Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:32 AM
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:44 AM
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:00 AM
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:39 AM
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Mal has run away when the odds are not in his favour before. But from the dialogue, etc from the movie, I got the feel that it was running for reasons of a coward and not for reasons like before.
Just like any reference from the show, you must provide proper context is there. And from what I've seen, your examples don't hold up to that.
Mal, I think is more along the lines of fighing for profit and if it is for good as well, the super. But, if push comes to shove, then he'll do it for the right thing. Friends are different though. He'll fight for a friend to the death if need be.
Jayne, does it for profit clear and simple. It has always been his guiding light. There are times in the show when he did things not for profit, but there has been other circumstances that provide adequate motivation for this to happen.
ie When Jayne goes to save Mal from Niska. First off, this is right after he almost got sucked out into space because of screwing Mal and knows that he exists at that point by the grace of Mal and no other. Plus I think that he will attempt to avoid such non-profit endeavors (remember him calling what they were doing "suicide" while Zoe and Wash were preparing?) but will go along if it will make him look bad. He seems to care about what the others think of him to some degree.
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:53 PM
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