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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:17 AM

RUGBUG


Thanks guys. Orion is a great little horse and it was relaxing to know he would be good, as opposed to the tension from riding my horse who doesn't always behave (Orion isn't mine).

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:23 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Quote:

Originally posted by msg:
:) Ok bored now



At least you are getting paid to be bored

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:31 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


Quote:

Originally posted by RugBug:
..so I have a HUGE brown ribbon to show for my efforts, which is way cool. 8th doesn't sound all that great until you put the competition in context (it's like doing a triathalon and finishing 8th) and then it seems a little better.


Not to mention it's a BROWN ribbon.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:35 AM

ZEROKIRYU


Quote:

Originally posted by msg:
:) Ok bored now



*Poof*

You are no longer bored!!!!!

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:37 AM

MSG


Granted...it's weird and combines boredom with periods of frantic stress... oh well it's money:)
Mav I am sending wishes of jobs your way and I had an idea...well 2 ideas
1- your local Small Business Association will know of any local business that are receiving a loan and expanding and that might be a valuable resource..
2- Have you tried apply with the State govt?? They always need managers and such. Boring , I know, but hey.
3- Banks they have the right hours and you're probably all set to be a loan officer or some such with just a bit of training...

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:41 AM

RUGBUG


Quote:

Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:

Not to mention it's a BROWN ribbon.



Hey, I didn't think of that. I was just please that it wasn't the old baby shit brown that most 8th place ribbons are. It's a beautiful chocolate color. Yum, chocolate.

Let's see...I've bored msg and chased away others with the horse talk...(see why I'm single...most people can't stand my favorite topic of conversation )...What can we talk about?

I got nothing 'cept maybe a rant about co-workers who are "sick" on Monday...or Tuesday. I'm sorry, but the best bet if you're really sick is to come in so we can see you're on death's door and then leave early, because no one really believes your sick. We all think you're playing hooky and extending your weekend. Or is it just me?

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:54 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


I personally don't care if someone takes a sick day right on a weekend, to extend it, because it really doesn't affect my work, and I don't really care about the people I work with too much. However, if my work depended on others', and they had taken a sick day, then I would certainly want some tangible proof that they were indeed sick, and not just taking a long weekend. :)

Oh, and one reason you're single is that you live way too far away for me to commute there for a date night.

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:56 AM

MSG


HUGS you didn't bore me Rugbug...the kids and summer school did that:)
I'm just all impressed with you placing so well and the lovely jumps.

RIMG- I'm only ticked if somehow their not showing up puts work on my plate.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:09 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by RugBug:
Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by RugBug:
At one point, I took off my shirt...because it just feels better when driving with the top off.


Zeek approves of this post.



Zeek, have you been taking editing lessons from JQ?


Damn, son, are you yet another of my illegitimate offspring peppered about the country? I was going to *snip* "not edit" /*snip* that very quote!! Well done, squirt!

And good going Bug, although I do worry about the whole Horse-side thing. You should get out more in the non-horse world. I mean there are few things in this world as beautiful as a stallion posing, but you know, you could maybe see about an Italian one now and again....



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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:23 AM

MSG


oh good news all..car won't cost as much :)

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:28 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Excellent news, MsG! Perhaps the vehicle might not drain the resources like your first thought. That's great news for your going to D*C thing. Poor Roxy. I feel bad she can't go now.

Husband's truck is about to go buh-bye, too. He gets company wheels after being employed 1 month. He's almost there.

RIMG, 'm still waiting on a wave from you...



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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:30 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


I thought I wrote you back.


*goes to check*


EDIT: *is clueless on what to write about so he picks a random topic*

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:38 AM

HOBBLEIT


God, i'm bored. I have nothing to do.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:43 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Quote:

Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
EDIT: *is clueless on what to write about so he picks a random topic*



Men. *shakes head*
Gets a girl all excited then leaves her hanging.

Hobbleit, what are you doing still awake? Isn't it the middle of the night where you are? Maybe its only like 9:45 PM. Not sure.



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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:45 AM

MSG


HUGS Mav and here's hoping equal luck for you ...

Ok folks I am off and running ( lunch duty , Kempo class, and such) but I will be back:) HUGS to all

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:46 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Poor Roxy. I feel bad she can't go now.


WHAT?
*recovers, but just barely*
Gotta catch up on some threading I guess. Wow. That’s so sad.

Meanwhile:
Quote:

Originally posted by FlyVote:
My BFF/wife prefers to sleep HOT at night, I much prefer to be a little bit cool.


Polar opposite from you, FlyVote; I like the heat, MsQ likes it cool.
Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Sounds like my house. Husband could sleep on a glacier. (And he does! Ba-dump-bump Ching!)


*snikker* on the rim shot; total disbelief on the glacier.
Quote:

Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Hey all. Jumping in without reading everything I missed over the weekend. My health journal tells me that I am either in the middle of a mini-flare, or at the beginning of a full-blown flare, so I'm pretty out of it right now. On the upside, at least I won't be going to the new doctor this Friday saying "well I feel fine right now but usually I feel like crap, think you can diagnose that?"


Sorry for the flare. Hope it stays just long enough for the mechanic, er, doctor to see it and then vanishes immediately without a trace. On a bright note on my side of the tracks, I thought of you this weekend. Among the billion and one things we sell at Job #2 ( ! sorry Mavs ! Really not rubbing it in. Honest. Heart you…), we have canes. One was decked out with a swirly camo design from tip to stern kinda like this but not quite.



I’d post the link but that part of the website is down for updating. (a billion and two no doubt)
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Re: weather - But these days I live and die with the sun...I'm happiest with sunny, breezy, and about 85° (~29°)...Lucky for me, that's basically the weather we have around here. We haven't broken 90° yet this summer, mostly in the 70s and 80s and sunny. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to live anywhere other than southern California again, heh.
Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I live in Michigan, so anything above about 80 degrees (26 C) is icky. We live in the land of godawful humidity here.



S’posed to get up to 91 today and they say the humanidity is 51%; I think they shot way to low. When you can feel the air entering your lungs, it’s up there.
Quote:

Whew, ok, now I'm tired. Out for a bit again.

Come back when you can, sweet. We’ll be here when you do.
Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I can't say I'd ever consider dating a best friend. I'm still working on getting a date period.


Read over that again. The answer to part two might be in part one...

Boredom and bothersome brothers I could do without.




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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM

HOBBLEIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
EDIT: *is clueless on what to write about so he picks a random topic*



Men. *shakes head*
Gets a girl all excited then leaves her hanging.

Hobbleit, what are you doing still awake? Isn't it the middle of the night where you are? Maybe its only like 9:45 PM. Not sure.



It's only ten to seven.

And now to add to the boredom, I'm having a blonde moment. I thought i lost my phone and it was right in front of me the whole time.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:53 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by hobbleit:
And now to add to the boredom, I'm having a blonde moment. I thought i lost my phone and it was right in front of me the whole time.


I was really hoping that was an American thing...


Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:57 AM

HOBBLEIT


I can be as blonde as the next best person.

Completely unrelated- we apparently had a months worth of rain in one day yesterday.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:01 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Read over that again. The answer to part two might be in part one...



I do see your point JQ, but dating someone you've been friends with for a while (or in my case, since childhood) would be uncomfortable for me. My best friends are like family, and well, dating family? Ick.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:02 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


Mavs - in my defense, you never wrote back and asked me about it.

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:11 AM

HOBBLEIT


Well I'm off for now.

I'm going on a quest for food.

TTFN

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:12 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Quote:

Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
Mavs - in my defense, you never wrote back and asked me about it.





It's a good thing you are so darn sweet, or I'd kick your Southern behind from here to Birmingham.

EDIT: Bye Hobbleit! Have some chocolate!
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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:14 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I do see your point JQ, but dating someone you've been friends with for a while (or in my case, since childhood) would be uncomfortable for me. My best friends are like family, and well, dating family? Ick.


Ahhh. You one of the few that means it when she says, "Can't we just be friends?" And you hold them in such thrall that they can't help but say yes. Poor fools.

All kidding aside. I do understand the ick factor. You just can't "think of them that way". It seems positively unnatural and ought to be illegal. Aren't there any that weren't part of the upbringing who could be counted among a wider circle of friends where an attraction might have occured?

Also there is a bit of truth to the statements about not being "friends" from the start but the friendship part grows out of the romance. I think it is essential for folks to be best friends to be happily married. If the friendship doesn't come maybe marriage is not the road to travel together.




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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:19 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
It's a good thing you are so darn sweet, or I'd kick your Southern behind from here to Birmingham.



Then I'd get to meet you at least.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:24 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Quote:

Originally posted by RugBug:
Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by RugBug:
At one point, I took off my shirt...because it just feels better when driving with the top off.


Zeek approves of this post.



Zeek, have you been taking editing lessons from JQ?


Damn, son, are you yet another of my illegitimate offspring peppered about the country? I was going to *snip* "not edit" /*snip* that very quote!! Well done, squirt!


I'm so proud. I feel like I should thank the academy or something.

Quote:

Originally posted by RugBug:
Let's see...I've bored msg and chased away others with the horse talk...(see why I'm single...most people can't stand my favorite topic of conversation )...What can we talk about?


You're so very wrong. You may have bored the women but trust me the men loved the "I took off my shirt" post. The only reason you'd be single after that is that they guys are all in a big brawl over who gets to ask you out first. Don't worry I'm sure someone will win eventually.


On another note hooray for intellectual property (and firefox for spell checking "intellectual" for me). *Zeek rolls in his future ip check*

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:26 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
All kidding aside. I do understand the ick factor. You just can't "think of them that way". It seems positively unnatural and ought to be illegal. Aren't there any that weren't part of the upbringing who could be counted among a wider circle of friends where an attraction might have occurred?



Not with my friends. Most of them are girls (and I'm still on the fence about the whole attracted to women thing), and even with the guy friends I did have, there wasn't an attraction there.

Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyQuest:Also there is a bit of truth to the statements about not being "friends" from the start but the friendship part grows out of the romance. I think it is essential for folks to be best friends to be happily married. If the friendship doesn't come maybe marriage is not the road to travel together.


Definitely agree there. Love's great and all, but if you don't actually like the person you're with, the relationship's not in for smooth sailing.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:31 AM

FLYVOTE


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by RugBug:
Let's see...I've bored msg and chased away others with the horse talk...(see why I'm single...most people can't stand my favorite topic of conversation )...What can we talk about?


You're so very wrong. You may have bored the women but trust me the men loved the "I took off my shirt" post.

Rugbug: Do I need to take you shopping? You, MSG, Mav, and me. And Visa.



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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:31 AM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE


Thanks for all the well-wishes everyone! I slept a bunch yesterday and I'm feeling a bit better today. Not completely well, but better than yesterday.

Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I can't say I'd ever consider dating a best friend.

I can see what you mean, DeepGirl, and I don't disagree. There wasn't ever a point when hubby and I were "just friends". The two months that we knew each other before we started dating we were actively pursuing and flirting with each other. And within a year of meeting each other we were engaged, heh.

I did have one friend from college whom I could have dated (but never did), but he and I had "the talk", when we sat down and talked about how we could date, but we wouldn't ever want to break up, so what would that mean in the long run. We decided that we were on two very separate paths (this was 6 years ago, and he's still in med school now), but that if it was meant to happen it would happen later down the road. But even there, it wasn't like we were friends with no attraction and then one day just suddenly thought about dating, it had always sort of been an undercurrent in our friendship.

OTOH, I know a girl who just got engaged to her roommate, a guy she'd said for years she didn't want to date because she didn't want to ruin their friendship. So who knows, maybe the friends-first thing can work for some people. (Or maybe she accepted his proposal after crying on his shoulder during a recent bad break up. Seems more likely from my perspective. )

Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Poor Roxy. I feel bad she can't go now.


WHAT?
*recovers, but just barely*
Gotta catch up on some threading I guess. Wow. That’s so sad.

So what's going on with Roxy and D*C? I'm not going, but I do so enjoy following all the talk about it.

Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
On another note hooray for intellectual property (and firefox for spell checking "intellectual" for me). *Zeek rolls in his future ip check*

?

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:42 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
this was 6 years ago, and he's still in med school now


There could have been a benefit there...
Quote:

So what's going on with Roxy and D*C? I'm not going, but I do so enjoy following all the talk about it.

I for one am sad not to see you there either. Roxy's blog has the details.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:43 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Glad to hear you are feeling better, CK.


Quote:

Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Poor Roxy. I feel bad she can't go now.


WHAT?
*recovers, but just barely*
Gotta catch up on some threading I guess. Wow. That’s so sad.

So what's going on with Roxy and D*C? I'm not going, but I do so enjoy following all the talk about it.



Roxy posted a blog indicating she was having significant $$ problems, and won't be attending D*C.

edit: Posted at the same time as JQ.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:57 AM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE


Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Roxy posted a blog indicating she was having significant $$ problems, and won't be attending D*C.

Aw man that sucks.

Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
I for one am sad not to see you there either.

I wasn't really planning on going at any point, since it's the weekend before a large work-related event (the event that last year had me working 9am to midnight for the last 14 days before, just to be ready). That and I have to pick-and-choose my air travel and large crowd situations pretty carefully -- this mini-flare (or beginning of a big flare, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed) started the day we flew back from that wedding in Colorado, for instance. I am looking forward to reading the reports and seeing the pictures, though.

~CK

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:58 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


RAWR on Roxy not going to D*C. I really outta read the photo threads more, but I can't see the pictures here, and have so much to do at home that I am rarely able to get on here.

~jimi

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:03 AM

ZEROKIRYU


Never been to a D*C.

Hope to attend one once my cash flow starts acting right.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:08 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


So, here's a thought for all you Nor'easters (what, no blowhards?), maybe you could insert an * into the District of Columbia and have a Shindig there. (refer to Kurt Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions for his explanation of "*" ). (Huh, now that I think of it, that might be the insertion point, but never mind...)


Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:26 PM

ZEEK


OK I think we pondered out the friends first thing. Since the thread is dead how about a variation? Roommate's first? Would you ever start dating a roommate? I'd think that'd just be a bad plan for a new relationship. Moved in together from day one? Just curious if anyone has tried it and how it went or whether you'd even consider it.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:05 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


mornin' Imponderables.


You guys were kinda quiet last night ...

~jimi

Dew. Be. Dew. Be. Dew.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:11 AM

HOBBLEIT


morning/afternoon RIMG

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:23 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


morning here, but I assume it is your afternoon.

how are you today?

~jimi

Dew. Be. Dew. Be. Dew.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:26 AM

HOBBLEIT


I'm ok. Bit bored. Got nothing to do til tomorrow.

How about you?

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:39 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


At work, and trying to catch up on life in general. I really need to find a way to forgo sleep so I can make better use of those hours ...

~jimi

Dew. Be. Dew. Be. Dew.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:38 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Quote:

Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
At work, and trying to catch up on life in general. I really need to find a way to forgo sleep so I can make better use of those hours ...



I know Fly is gonna jump down my throat for saying this...but taking Modafanil every now and again doesn't seem like a bad idea at times like that. Staying up 36 hours without any side effects???

I gotta get to the bank- meeting my sister (again...) Back soon.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:43 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


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At work, and trying to catch up on life in general. I really need to find a way to forgo sleep so I can make better use of those hours ...



I know Fly is gonna jump down my throat for saying this...but taking Modafanil every now and again doesn't seem like a bad idea at times like that. Staying up 36 hours without any side effects???



NO SIDE EFFECTS? That's better than meth. Where can I get some of that?

*hugs Mavs* See you when you get back.

~jimi

Dew. Be. Dew. Be. Dew.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:12 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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I know Fly is gonna jump down my throat for saying this...but taking Modafanil every now and again doesn't seem like a bad idea at times like that. Staying up 36 hours without any side effects???


On top of the caffeine? Yikes! Let me know the next time you do that in case I happen to be on the road in MD the same time you are...

On the serious side, should I be worried about you? Seems to me sleep, like pain, is your body's way of telling you something.
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RL garbage to take care of.


Hopefully not involving banks...


I gotta get to the bank- meeting my sister (again...) Back soon.



Oh and speaking of Fly, I'm sorry I didn't say Happy Anniversary! yesterday. I thought about you a lot yesterday in fact. I say to you Bravo, good sir.


Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:27 AM

MSG


Morning all- sorry busy morning, plus the online house hunting is a bit distracting..finding some great stuff though in the $250,000 range so that's GREAT!! I was so worried we'd have to go up to $300,000 to find anything.

Hmmm date a room mate. It'd depend on the situation but maybe..

I kow it's so sad Roxy won't be there...FMF opines that we've somehow got a case of the anti-money flu and are passing it around...

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:27 AM

MSG


pokes the board...Why have you all gone quiet?

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:37 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


*is playing over in the Bar mostly*

~jimi

Dew. Be. Dew. Be. Dew.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:40 AM

MSG


True enough....

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:47 AM

ZEROKIRYU


*Pokes his head in*

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"This world is a rotten mess. It really needs to be cleaned up." - Light Yagami

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:50 AM

MSG


Hi zero:)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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