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Monday, September 9, 2002 7:32 AM

SLAYMATE1877


I don't know if Firefly is going to have bands like on Buffy, but I saw the most awesome band on Saturday that would be perfect. They are called Powder and they are so cool. Their web site is powdermusic.com if you want to see what I mean.

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Monday, September 9, 2002 7:41 AM

MOJOECA


Somehow I doubt you'll see much contemporary music on a old west show set 400 years in the future.

--- Joe

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Monday, September 9, 2002 9:48 AM

ZICSOFT


Quote:

Originally posted by mojoeca:
Somehow I doubt you'll see much contemporary music on a old west show set 400 years in the future.

A minor nitpick with Buffy: it's very strange that the Bronze, a nothing bar in the bad part of a nothing town, can book so many well-known bands. And that these famous bands are always gone before the inevitable vampire/demon invasion.

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Monday, September 9, 2002 10:16 AM

NOVAGRASS


Quote:

Originally posted by mojoeca:
Somehow I doubt you'll see much contemporary music on a old west show set 400 years in the future.

--- Joe



Not to mention contemporary music of this style. I can see how some people would like it (Hell, I might have liked it back in 8th Grade), but what was the person who suggested this band thinking? I mean... how in the world does this fit with a western-scifi motif?

I don't mean to offend, Slaymate

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

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Monday, September 9, 2002 11:25 AM

ZICSOFT


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Originally posted by Novagrass:

Not to mention contemporary music of this style. I can see how some people would like it (Hell, I might have liked it back in 8th Grade), but what was the person who suggested this band thinking? I mean... how in the world does this fit with a western-scifi motif?


Motif? If the western-scifi thing is just a stylistic gimmick, then I won't remain a fan for long. But I don't think it is. The idea seems to be that people use 19th century technology because that's what they can afford. 26th century tech is available but expensive. "The western look" flows out of the premise, it's not a part of it.

I'm sure there will be lots of non-Western stuff. I've already noticed things like tank tops in the promos. And a lot of the Serenity's furnishing look very un-western. It wouldn't suprise me if some of the characters like to listen to 21st century rock,

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Monday, September 9, 2002 12:26 PM

MOJOECA


Quote:

Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Motif? If the western-scifi thing is just a stylistic gimmick, then I won't remain a fan for long. But I don't think it is. The idea seems to be that people use 19th century technology because that's what they can afford. 26th century tech is available but expensive. "The western look" flows out of the premise, it's not a part of it.

I think you're both rigt. Many things can be argued as utilitarian (horses, perhaps). Others are pure motif (western lingo). When you see Mal and Zoe in cowboy garb, riding horses, on a chaparal landscape, I gotta think that style plays a part.

And people who couldn't afford 26th century tech, would more likely and believably use 25th century tech, or 24th, or so on. Not 19th. Joss talks and talks western ("It's really just STAGECOACH"), so I don't think it's something that just "flows out of the premise."

The Western look doesn't permeate every aspect of the show, because there's the Chinese influences and the Sci-Fi tech, but it is there. It's a mish-mash. You also have Jayne in camou with a modern-looking rifle, and well, you saw the pics...

--- Joe

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Monday, September 9, 2002 1:11 PM

ZICSOFT


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Originally posted by mojoeca:
When you see Mal and Zoe in cowboy garb, riding horses, on a chaparal landscape, I gotta think that style plays a part.

Well, that could also mean that if you go looking for non-built-up locations within driving distance of Burbank, you're likely to find a lot of chaparel landscapes. Which is why there were so many of them on Star Trek!
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And people who couldn't afford 26th century tech, would more likely and believably use 25th century tech, or 24th, or so on. Not 19th.

Doesn't work that way. It isn't like 20th century technology is "a little more expensive" than 19th, 21st than 20th, etc. These space colonists are re-creating the whole industrial revolution from scratch. Judging from comments from Whedon et al., promos, still, and some of the gadgets shown on the official site, it seems that things like ray guns and air cars actually exist, but that most people don't have access to them. Presumably they're in the process of reproducing Earth technology based on what they brough with them -- but that takes time. Like decades, or even centuries. Meanwhile, most people are making do with designs that they downloaded from the Smithsonian, because that's what they can manufacture with the resources they have.

I suspect Whedon borrowed some ideas from Stirling's Nantucket Republic stories, which have a bunch of Americans trying to recreate the late 20th century in the middle of the bronze age. Lots of parallels.

Yeah, Whedon is going for a certain John Wayne look. But he's not one of those producers that says "I want things to look a certain way, and I don't care if it makes sense." (I think of this as the Miami Vice syndrome.) If he were, I wouldn't be a rabid fan of Whedon's work -- or be waiting for Firefly with such impatience.

Edited to add: I just remember some interesting comments Jeff Timm made about some of the gadgetry shown on the official site:

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One of the tools on the table was the Winchester cut down rifle I mentioned earlier. The revolver being handled looked like a civil war era Hopkins and Allen cap and ball revolver, with a pivoting sheet steel cover added, along with a CO2 cartridge from a Crossman pellet gun and a modern "universal" mount added to the barrel. The mount allows clamping on of optics, illuminators and other accessories.

The long thing with the red button looks like one of those silly collapsing pole arms that were popular amoung the criminals of my youth. One item looked like an old fashioned Hypodermic needle like I saw at the Smithsonian a while back.

The long item loosely coiled looked like a short toilet snake or a fiber optic gizmo for viewing inside stuff. The large number of items with pointy ends remind me of projectiles w/o cartridge cases.



Jeff can be an interesting guy when he's not in Dittohead mode. Relevant thread:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=449

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Monday, September 9, 2002 2:13 PM

NOVAGRASS


Quote:

Originally posted by Zicsoft:
It wouldn't suprise me if some of the characters like to listen to 21st century rock,



Touche.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:00 AM

TINYTIMM


Quote:

Originally posted by Zicsoft:
A minor nitpick with Buffy: it's very strange that the Bronze, a nothing bar in the bad part of a nothing town, can book so many well-known bands. And that these famous bands are always gone before the inevitable vampire/demon invasion.



The owner is a precog. 1. It's never around when the violence starts. 2. It signed these bands to long term contracts before they became famous.
3. It makes arrangements to protect them so as not to make said contracts more attractive to fight than comply.

Q.E.D.


Jeff
Who really liked Q.E.D. the series.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:52 AM

SHUGGIE


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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
I'm sure there will be lots of non-Western stuff. I've already noticed things like tank tops in the promos. And a lot of the Serenity's furnishing look very un-western. It wouldn't suprise me if some of the characters like to listen to 21st century rock,



Indeed. And in fact I read somewhere that the Serenity is full of '70s style furniture.

Shug

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:21 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Hey, maybe like Buffy, Firefly might be a cultural icon sparking some retro movement.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:36 AM

ZICSOFT


Quote:

Originally posted by Shuggie:
And in fact I read somewhere that the Serenity is full of '70s style furniture.

You can see some of it in one of the quicktime movies at www.fox.com/firefly.

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