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POSTED BY: DIETCOKE
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Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:58 AM

DIETCOKE


I just watched the mini-series "Dune" and really enjoyed it. I can't wait to read the book. I was a bit confused toward the end when Paul tells his mother that he is the grandson of (can't remember the name.) It was supposed to be very important that he was the grandson of this person. Who was his grandfather and why was it important?

Also, did Paul marry the emperor's daughter at the end? I wasn't clear on that either.

Thanks for for your help.


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Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:25 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by dietcoke:
I just watched the mini-series "Dune" and really enjoyed it. I can't wait to read the book. I was a bit confused toward the end when Paul tells his mother that he is the grandson of (can't remember the name.) It was supposed to be very important that he was the grandson of this person. Who was his grandfather and why was it important?

Also, did Paul marry the emperor's daughter at the end? I wasn't clear on that either.

Thanks for for your help.




Paul is the Grandson of Baron Harkonan. He was Lady Jessica's mother and Paul's Grandfather. The evil plan was for Jessica and Leto to have a daughter then to marry her back into the Harkonan line and their daughter would be the messiah. Instead Jessica birthed Paul, a son and later his sister, both of whom are abominations.

At the end Paul marries the Emperor's daughter but condemn her to a loveless and unconsumated marriage by taking Chani (not sure of the spelling) as his consort who would bear his children.

Its not so clear in the original movie, but the mini-series does a nice job.

Go rent Children of Dune, which covers the next two books. I think they did a really good job with that one as well.

H

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Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:34 AM

DIETCOKE


Thanks for the clarification. So, Paul never was the messiah? It was all a way for Lady Jessica to get her son in a position of power? Did he think he was the messiah? Where did his visions of the future initially come from?

This was a very complex show, I know I need to read the book.

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Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:46 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by dietcoke:
Thanks for the clarification. So, Paul never was the messiah? It was all a way for Lady Jessica to get her son in a position of power? Did he think he was the messiah? Where did his visions of the future initially come from?

This was a very complex show, I know I need to read the book.



1. Not the messiah. That becomes clear in the next mini-series. Don't wanna spoil it for you.

2. No. It was not Lady Jessica's intent to subvert the plans of the Sisterhood or seize power for her son. Instead she fell in love with Leto and Leto wanted a son and heir so badly she could not deny him.

3. I like to think that he was a potential messiah. He had all the right bloodlines and was one generation removed from being born the messiah. I think that means that he needed to take the final steps himself. Watch the next series (or at least part one of the next series) and you'll see what happens and get many of the answers you seek. Then we can discuss without spoilerizing it for you.

H

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Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:51 AM

DIETCOKE


I'm going to watch this series again before I watch Part II. I hope the local Blockbuster has Part II....

Thanks!

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Thursday, January 6, 2005 12:39 PM

THATWEIRDGIRL


keep in mind that the second movie covers two books.

It makes much more sense if you read the story. While the miniseries have been great adaptations, they do assume you understand certain things about the dune universe. Set aside a month or two and read the six dune books. you'll never regret it...

until you read the last book and wish he had a chance to finish. then you'll regret it. but not much.

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Thursday, January 6, 2005 4:18 PM

DRAGONWINE


If I read correctly at www.dunenovels.com the final seventh book will be written soon. Based on actual notes by Frank Herbert, found by his son, it should finish the tale from where Chapterhouse Dune leaves off.

It's a nothing part til you don't got one, then you have to go to ebay.....aaaaagh!

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Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:34 PM

SGTGUMP


You know I just watched the Dune Mini-series again with my girlfriend, who has never seen it or read the book. I was trying to figure out, in advance, how to explain certain things that she might not understand. I was waiting to explain what a Mentat is and why they even exist, but the word Mentat was never mentioned. The Mentats were there, but they just stood around talking weird. I'm sure there are a lot of other things that were missed. I'm going to the book store tomorrow and I'm going to buy her a copy in spanish, she's Honduran. That sucks that you saw the mini series before reading the book, I would suggest that you read at least the first 3 books before you watch the series again or the second part.

"And that's my two cents." - Kent Brockman

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Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:50 PM

DECKROID


Read the books. Now. The first 3 books are really great.

Go.

I'm serious... go on... every used book store carries them!

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Friday, January 7, 2005 3:54 AM

DIETCOKE


Okay, I'm heading to the library. Everyone says that it's a great book!

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Friday, January 7, 2005 10:34 AM

NEDWARD


Get thee to a library: Dune is deservedly a classic. Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are similarly good and similarly well adapted (together, as the six-hour thing called "Children of Dune"). The other three books get somewhat more weird, so YMMV with those.

Herbert's son and genre stalwart Kevin J. Anderson are indeed writing "Dune 7" from Herbert's notes, but I'm not holding my breath. They've already written two prequel trilogies from Herbert's notes, and to me they're not impressive. They fit okay in the universe, and they're decent enough tales, but they're not in the same league. And there's something about Anderson's writing style that annoys me; I wish I could put my finger on it.

And yes, as noted above, Paul wasn't the Kwisatz Haderach. Whether or not he's "the messiah" depends on how you might define that in the Duniverse, and part of what I like about Herbert's writing is how often he shakes up definitions and meanings.

My two grains of melange.

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Friday, January 7, 2005 10:43 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


all my dune books, even the new books by his son, are on my pda. all of them. i say download them so you can read them anytime anywhere. That's what i do.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

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Friday, January 7, 2005 10:48 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Quote:

Originally posted by nedward:
They've already written two prequel trilogies from Herbert's notes, and to me they're not impressive. They fit okay in the universe, and they're decent enough tales, but they're not in the same league. And there's something about Anderson's writing style that annoys me; I wish I could put my finger on it.



I think i know what it is. It's their annoying way they keep saying the same thing over and over. Herbert just assumed you read the story and were payig attention. These guys have to keep reminding you that something happend. It's an insult to our intelligence as Dune readers. But, at least its a somewhat enjoyable story. The cymeks trouble me. And so do the sorceress. Do I need to know about the wormrider at this point? I don't know. It's just odd.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

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Friday, January 7, 2005 11:19 AM

DIETCOKE


Quote:

Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
all my dune books, even the new books by his son, are on my pda. all of them. i say download them so you can read them anytime anywhere. That's what i do.

www.thatweirdgirl.com


Where do you download them?

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Friday, January 7, 2005 1:24 PM

ANGUSTHERMOPYLE


Quote:

Originally posted by dietcoke:
I just watched the mini-series "Dune" and really enjoyed it. I can't wait to read the book. I was a bit confused toward the end when Paul tells his mother that he is the grandson of (can't remember the name.) It was supposed to be very important that he was the grandson of this person. Who was his grandfather and why was it important?

Also, did Paul marry the emperor's daughter at the end? I wasn't clear on that either.

Thanks for for your help.




Paul is the grandson of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen (that's pronounced Hark O nen, not Haran'n, like in the series), his mother is the Baron's daughter, but she didn't know that. His other grandfather was Duke Paulus Atreides on his father's side.

You really should've read the novels first. Dune is the best Sci-Fi novel ever written, in my opinion. It's not the easiest of reads, but it is extremely rewarding. The political machinations and schemes within schemes are very complex and brilliantly written. The same can't be said for the prequels written by Herbert's son and Kevin J Anderson, which are fairly mundane.

I must not fear, fear is the mind-killer.

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Friday, January 7, 2005 1:27 PM

ANGUSTHERMOPYLE


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by dietcoke:
Thanks for the clarification. So, Paul never was the messiah? It was all a way for Lady Jessica to get her son in a position of power? Did he think he was the messiah? Where did his visions of the future initially come from?

This was a very complex show, I know I need to read the book.



1. Not the messiah. That becomes clear in the next mini-series. Don't wanna spoil it for you.

2. No. It was not Lady Jessica's intent to subvert the plans of the Sisterhood or seize power for her son. Instead she fell in love with Leto and Leto wanted a son and heir so badly she could not deny him.

3. I like to think that he was a potential messiah. He had all the right bloodlines and was one generation removed from being born the messiah. I think that means that he needed to take the final steps himself. Watch the next series (or at least part one of the next series) and you'll see what happens and get many of the answers you seek. Then we can discuss without spoilerizing it for you.

H



The daughter was supposed the fix the breach between House Harkonnen and House Atreides and she would bear the Kwisatz Hadderach who the Bene Gesserit hoped to control. Has anyone actually read the novels?

May none of your pizzas have unfortunte toppings.

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Friday, January 7, 2005 1:31 PM

NEDWARD


As Mal said in Out of Gas, "Take your prequel and go!"

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Friday, January 7, 2005 1:40 PM

DIETCOKE


Well I knew Dune was going to be a challenge to read, like "Lord of the Rings" was for me. So I thought if I watched the movie first it would help me when I was reading the book. I was really glad I saw the movie, "Lord of the Rings," before I read the book.

Now granted, I did not think the mini-series was a great film (low score on the acting and pacing)but I thought it was a really intriguing story.

So, like "Lord of the Rings," I am sure I will like the book better, even though I really loved the Peter Jackson's movie!

I'll let you know what I think after I read the book. I may need some help as I read it!

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Friday, January 7, 2005 1:51 PM

ANGUSTHERMOPYLE


Quote:

Originally posted by dietcoke:
Well I knew Dune was going to be a challenge to read, like "Lord of the Rings" was for me. So I thought if I watched the movie first it would help me when I was reading the book. I was really glad I saw the movie, "Lord of the Rings," before I read the book.

Now granted, I did not think the mini-series was a great film (low score on the acting and pacing)but I thought it was a really intriguing story.

So, like "Lord of the Rings," I am sure I will like the book better, even though I really loved the Peter Jackson's movie!

I'll let you know what I think after I read the book. I may need some help as I read it!



Yep, you'll love it. I'd have to say I found it easier going than Lord Of The Rings, but that was mainly as the language became more antiquated in the Two Towers then even more in Return Of The King. Funny, I started reading Fellowship about 13 years ago or more, but found the writing a little too childlike - boy does it change as the story gets darker.

May none of your pizzas have unfortunte toppings.

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