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Heck, you only mentioned this a few days ago - I'm impressed 11th Hour.

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Can't think of anything intelligent to put in here yet (just got home from work), but I agree 100% with everything you've written so far - especially: 'There's lots and lots of folks out there who don't know they're browncoats. Let's help them find out! '

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I have a grunch of shiny car stickers...

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Let's post the names, addresses, faxes, phones and emails to contact the individuals who can make this happen. Then just bug the heck out of them until they cave in to our demands.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Let's post the names, addresses, faxes, phones and emails to contact the individuals who can make this happen. Then just bug the heck out of them until they cave in to our demands.

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Originally posted by 11thHour:

What studios like is a widespread audience, with a healthy represenation of the 18 to 34 crowd, that like to spend money on watching movies (or TV shows) and buying merchandise.

Look to the studios as the folks with the power whom we need to demonstrate to that Firefly/Serenity is a viable and profitable business endeavor. Convince them that the 'Verse is well worth the investment of their resources.

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Originally posted by TVChick:
There are a couple of ideas in The Annivesary Job thread too. :)
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22978

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I NEED more Firefly. Some on execs! Get on board & take my money already!!

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Let's post the names, addresses, faxes, phones and emails to contact the individuals who can make this happen. Then just bug the heck out of them until they cave in to our demands.

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We really don't want our fandom to look like a bunch of demanding kids, bugging their parents incessantly, until they get what they want. That tactic, more than likely, will place us squarely in the crazy, fringe fanatic category. Studios aren't interested in that demographic.

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etc

www.scifi.com/visions/factsheet.html

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(PRWEB) August 24, 2006 -- Effective November 1, 2006, the SCI FI Channel will change their name to SurgeTV, to reflect the changing demographic thrust of the successful long-running cable channel. In addition, deals are currently working out to bring back ECW for a three-times a week run in prime time, as well as reruns (Pre-WWE) of professional wrestling events.

www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=40575

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Originally posted by piratenews:
How does SciFi Channel's demographic include Wide World of Wrestling(!), but not Firefly? Is it due to WWF being as scripted as any other fiction, with the biochemisty of steroids fulfilling the science requirement?

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How did the roidragers get on Scifi, by writing letters? Can WWF fans read and write? That's about as bright as MTV refusing to play music anymore, as if TV needs another scripted "reality" show.

If we wait too long, the Serenity crew will need facelifts, just like the Trekkie stars. BTW, did you see em at Comedy Central's roast of Shatner this past week? Damn, that's OLD! Uhura told Kirk to "kiss her big black ass". And Andy Dick dressed up as a gay Mr Spock. Is that all we have to look forward to with Firefly 2050 - Andy Dick nude impersonating Mal's striptease?

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So what's the snailmail "contact" address at SciFi Channel? Who in what dept is it addressed to?

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All I'm suggesting is treat it like any political lobbying effort by a PAC, but without all the bribery, whining and dining, hiring prostitutes, vacation junkets, free gifts, etc. In Poly Ticks (many blood sucking creatures), a single letter with a human signature is worth more than 13,000 anonymous votes. Of course, a bribe is worth even more. Maybe instead of buying DVDs, we should just send bribes to the decisionmakers? In Poly Ticks, "campaign contributions" are called "legalized bribery" by Senator William Proxmire, in his Golden Fleece Awards.

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SciFi Channel can certainly reach a lot of new fans, who still don't know the FF Verse exists. Many of those newbies will want to buy DVDs, to watch the epps they missed, plus all the extra goodies.

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www.scifi.com/help/feedback/
feedback@scifi.com

www.nbcuni.com/About_NBC_Universal/Contact_Us/

NBCUNI.COM FEEDBACK
100 Universal City Plaza
Universal City, CA 91608

www.nbcuni.com/About_NBC_Universal/Executive_Bios/

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How does SciFi's propaganda PAC play into the FF Verse?

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Visions for Tomorrow is a multi-faceted campaign that fosters and supports the notion that individuals can have a significant and positive impact on the future. Through interstitial public service announcements, off channel symposiums, an informational web site, educational programs and advocacy-based public affairs efforts, Visions for Tomorrow will engage educators, students, cable operators, futurists, thought leaders and policymakers in a bold, new optimistic vision of tomorrow.

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A softsell would be to simply ask when FF will be rerun again, since SciFi still lists FF on its website. And ask when Serenity will get its first showing on SciFi, since its also owned by Universal/NBC.
www.scifi.com/firefly/

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Is the hold up by Fox, refusing to allow FF a 2nd rerun? Is the holdup over the contract price? Inquiring minds want to know, as do many journalists looking for their next story.

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Maybe we need to write for our right to scifi, since SciFi Channel is now officially DOA:

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(PRWEB) August 24, 2006 -- Effective November 1, 2006, the SCI FI Channel will change their name to SurgeTV, to reflect the changing demographic thrust of the successful long-running cable channel. In addition, deals are currently working out to bring back ECW for a three-times a week run in prime time, as well as reruns (Pre-WWE) of professional wrestling events.

www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=40575

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All this can be asked in a letter, but it's more likely to have impact if it's addressed to a human being than a corporation. Especially if it includes a cash bribe. I suggest $5 a pop. That will certainly catch their attention... If only to bribe the gatekeepers to make the delivery - so don't name the bribe in the written letter. It's like buying the secretary a cup of coffee for doing you a favor... Or say it's a "birthday gift". Ect.

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A choice of form letters can be posted on FF forums, with address lists, with instructions to personalize as much as possible. Just like the PACs do every day to change all our lives "for the better". "Manufacturing Consent" is what Professor Noam Chomsky calls it. All I'm suggesting is we start doing our own manufacturing.

"You can't stop the signal! Oh yeah, you killed me with a sword. And you cancelled my TV series. And you won't even let me have reruns. Damn!"
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

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Dude, whatever you're smoking, you should have brought enough for the rest of the class.

11th Hour

P.S.
Perhaps someone who's had more than 2 hours sleep, and isn't being beaten into the dirt with deadlines, ought to take this one. My brain hurts now.

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Originally posted by FollowMal
Why is it everyone else seems to be having fun and we're doin' the deadlines and real life stuff ----huh, 11th? Good heavens. 2 hours! That's awful.

Browncoats are dedicated folk.

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It's now 3:18 a.m. and I owe you a letter and I don't know how many hours of sleep that will make that I get, lol, but I still wouldn't have touched answering PN with a 10 foot pole ( no offense PN, you're complicated.. admit it!) You're a brave lass Ms. 11th.

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While I have you here and everyone else's undivided ( ?) attention too, thank you for the encouraging words about Joss' post. It means a lot to us that experienced Browncoats like you and NoSadSeven have said that we have cause for hope.

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I also thank you for putting up with the hurting brain to try to keep us motivated. We appreciate it.

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Letter tomorrow!

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I have all eps and BDM on my lap top. I travel a lot with work. What I do is sit near "kids"(over 14) and let them watch them on the train. They all have never seen it or only a little. I like to think they go home and buy or rent. Hopefully, I've turned out a browncoat or two.

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Originally posted by bigdamntexan:
Hey fellow Browncoat's!
I've got a question/idea.
With the anniversary job comin' up,letter's an such -I'm wondering if anyone has sent or should send a copy of "Done the Impossible" to Universal,to get a look at our fan base and how much we all love our show?

Just trying to help,constructive critism always welcome!
please be gentle. or not.

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11THHOUR:
Life's a bitch. Now I'm a psycho bitch.

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To believe that Joss' script has no relevance to its marketability is insane. To believe that Joss' CIA/MI6 employers don't care about Joss reporting on Top Secret CIA mind-control slave projects quacks of mind-control on this forum. Universal is owned by Carlyle Group, which is owned by Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire, British prime minister John Major, Queen Elizabeth of England, and the Bin Laden family.

Joss is a subversive soul. So long as he promotes vampirism, witchcraft and Satanism (which are REAL lifestyles of our world dictators at Bohemian Grove and Skull & Bones et al), he can employ his heros murdering mayors and bombing schools. I watched 2 hours of ANGEL's soap opera on TNT TV this morning, where Angel ordered a woman to sign a contract to sacrifice her baby in a Satanic ritual, and joked about "saving the world by murdering the mayor", and Spike joked about "saving the world by bombing the school", chasing a corpse's head and paying bribes to the Mafia for Wolfram & Hart in Italy, while all their ex-girlfriends gangbanged The Immortal. But discussing CIA's Project Monarch Manchurian Candidates is going too far in the eyes of the New World Odor Gangsters.

Firefly's propaganda value is also subverted by being the only scifi story ever created to allege space aliens don't invade Earth, which is also an official US Govt psyop to promote Global Govt dictatorship (aka The Alliance).

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Aha. So #11 is policing the entire FFF.net website. She puts the 500-pound "guerilla" in marketing.

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Ah, the sweet stench of guerilla poo.

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I noticed you censored my trolled post, and left out the best parts, and blocked me from editing it. What part of the First Amendment right to Free Speech is that? Or are you one of those Brits who considers the US Constitution an act of treason against The Queen?

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Originally posted by piratenews:
(Snip)What part of the First Amendment right to Free Speech is that? Or are you one of those Brits who considers the US Constitution an act of treason against The Queen? (Snip)

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Originally posted by Adamwankenobi:
This thread is startin' to look like some Star Wars fans got a hold of it!

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Originally posted by 11thHour:
Look to the studios not like withholding parents, but rather as the folks with the power whom we need to demonstrate to that Firefly/Serenity is a viable and profitable business endeavor. Convince them that the 'Verse is well worth the investment of their resources.

Our main goal as fans is to keep spreading the word, keep the demand for more Firefly/Serenity increasing. Then the studios will be motivated to make more because the 'Verse can be a great money generator, plus a critically acclaimed production, for them. That's a highly desirable combination for a studio.

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Originally posted by 11thHour:
Look to the studios not like withholding parents, but rather as the folks with the power whom we need to demonstrate to that Firefly/Serenity is a viable and profitable business endeavor. Convince them that the 'Verse is well worth the investment of their resources.

Our main goal as fans is to keep spreading the word, keep the demand for more Firefly/Serenity increasing. Then the studios will be motivated to make more because the 'Verse can be a great money generator, plus a critically acclaimed production, for them. That's a highly desirable combination for a studio.

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But how will the studios know, that the fanbase has grown, if no-one writes to them? I read somewhere, that every letter they receive is regarded as representing a certain number of Fans ('caus only a few will write).
Spreading the word is great, but how can we make the "operatives" see and care?

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Firefly Marathon on SciFi Channel Again!!
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=20&t=23683
http://www.scifi.com/schedulebot/index.php3?date=18-SEP-2006&feed_req

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11THHOUR:
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Aha. So #11 is policing the entire FFF.net website. She puts the 500-pound "guerilla" in marketing.

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Just protectin' the integrity, and purpose, of this thread dude.

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Interesting, Dian Fossey likes it too...

Are you now resorting to lame tactics to support your paranoid fantasies?

What's the matter, not enough traffic on your news website so you gotta post your rants here? C'mon....

11th Hour

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I'm done moving your posts. If you continue this behavior, it will be considered harassment and I will take the appropriate action.

You've got a website. Go work on it

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Originally posted by 11thHour:

I never said to not write to Universal. If you look at my quote in the context of my reply to the piratenews post, I was expressing the importance of how we communicate with Universal. We don't want to come across as demanding kids, that is most definitely the wrong tactic.

Writing to Universal can be a very positive and effective endeavor, so long as we do it the right way. I even moved "The Anniversary Job" thread, a letter writing campaign idea, to this guerilla marketing discussion board so that it can be noticed more and included better in our Serenity Summer Campaign.

There are some recent posts in the "Just so we're clear on Universal... " thread that has some valuable insights on how best to communicate with Universal.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=20&t=23584#372772

11th Hour

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I get up to 16,000 vistors per day on my 40+ websites. Plus my TV show reaches 110,000 TV sets. Plus my videos are broadcast on internet to untold 100,000s by Google, Indymedia, MySpace and Archive.org.

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Originally posted by bad2verse:
I found out this weekend That Joss can take the show Where ever he wants, so we just have to make someone "want it".. Sci-Fi may be the place, if approached right (we discussed Bonnie Hammer's Likes, and dislikes, in another thread)... She's receptive to good ideas when presented in the correct way.

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Also, There have been NDA's (Non-Disclosure Agreements) Signed, and Joss is holding his cards close to the vest, but the Actors signed on for THREE movies, and every one I've talked to said "Movies, TV, Whatever".. Hey, Nathan called Alan on the Phone Several times during Dragon*Con.. they keep in CLOSE touch, the cast REALLY likes each other, and REALLY likes the 'verse, They are willing to do whatever it takes..

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Joss has "Some other Projects" right now, but the sheer SIZE of the BrownCoat population at Dragon*con was staggering.. and like I said about "one person writing = X-amount that didn't write"... the same thing holds true for Dragon*con (or ANY "Con").. Out of the few of US that went, How many more DESPERATELY wanted to be there but couldn't go? So Every ONE of us that went represented How many more people that WANTED to be there? Atlanta couldn't have held them all... and The Eyes of Universal and Sci-fi were upon us.

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The Movie is in the Black, the DVD sales are in the Black and STILL selling more (As in "More than they did last month") every month.

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Like I've been saying, We just need to smooth the way for Joss for when he gets ready.. cause it's on his mind, it's on the Cast's Mind, and it's gone far enough That Alan Tudyk and Ron Glass have been told they'll be in "The next movies"...

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You are doing the EXACT the right thing, I think the Whole G-Marketing team is doing the right thing... and we just need to keep smoothing the Road, because Universal IS listening, and WANTING to hear...

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When a thing "Can't be done", We're the people that get the call, it's how I make my living... this happens to be a personal project that I INTEND to see "Get done". FFF.net has the right people, the right exposure, and the best Ideas I've seen going.. EXACTLY the right combination of items and people to "GET THIS DONE"... So it WILL get done.

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BrownCoats don't seem to play the "I want to be the leader" game, so all we need to do is decide on a central meeting place to tie all of the top Browncoat Orgs together so we're all moving in the same direction... EVERYTHING we need is in place, or can be in place when it's needed.. ALL we have to do it get a handle on better coordination.. once THAT'S done, things WILL start moving forward.

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So we first need to list the Top BrownCoat (FF/Serenity) Orgs and the people that run them... and we need to contact each one... then we decide on a meeting place, and several Goals (Always work several angles at the same time). Momentum is hard to build at first in something this size, so EXPECT THAT, Don't let a slow start disillusion you, just expect it, it's a normal part of the process... once it gets rolling, we'll be overwhelmed at what's been started.

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Again, 11th, Whatever you folks need from me, let me know. If *I* don't know the answers, I have people on my staff that can GET them.

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Now there's some news to warm the heart. So good to hear.

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Originally posted by 11thHour:
(Much snippage) I have an outline set up and the structure of the site is basically mapped out. But we want this site to be very comprehensive, yet as easy to use as possible. So we'd always appreciate ideas and contributions to make the site as awesome as possible.

Let's stay in touch on this. Genuinely appreciate your positive energy and dedication to the 'Verse. Good things are happening.

11th Hour

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