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Originally posted by xardoz:
Maybe we can't bring it back. Maybe we can't move it forward to whatever the next incarnation may be. Maybe the cast and crew have moved on and wish we'd shut our big damn mouths about it.

But Joss and Tim are still alive. For me, their writing and direction were the soul of the 'Verse, and until they are pushing up daisies, I'll hold out hope.

This is not to disparage those who came before me and may have tired of the fight. I'm just here to help hold the line.

And if the battle's already lost, well, you'll get to say "I told you so" and too damn bad for me.

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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:

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Originally posted by xardoz:
Maybe we can't bring it back. Maybe we can't move it forward to whatever the next incarnation may be. Maybe the cast and crew have moved on and wish we'd shut our big damn mouths about it.

But Joss and Tim are still alive. For me, their writing and direction were the soul of the 'Verse, and until they are pushing up daisies, I'll hold out hope.

This is not to disparage those who came before me and may have tired of the fight. I'm just here to help hold the line.

And if the battle's already lost, well, you'll get to say "I told you so" and too damn bad for me.

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Ditto.

Why is the rum always gone?

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Originally posted by Canter:

What are the possibilities of asking Haken to make available the e-mail addresses of the thousands of members registered here for a once-off e-mail, calling them to arms? (in a manner of speaking) Would such an e-mail be considered an invasion of privacy and in contravention of the terms of use of this board?

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Originally posted by redhead:

I can understand the no giving out email addresses but if, as I understand it, an email would be sent out to all members just pointing them to a thread or an announcement, would that really make people angry?

I'm pretty easygoing myself so I might just not be aware of problems that could ensue.

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The outreach department of the Firefly WikiProject is a centralized work are for project recruitment and member interaction efforts. The major programs currently underway are a monthly project newsletter and a welcoming message for new members of the project; further ideas are always welcome, of course!

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Originally posted by redhead:
Can we get a list of a bunch of websites devoted to Sci-Fi...

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Originally posted by xardoz:
I'd chip in $50 for a Variety "Thank you Universal, now how about Serenity II, pretty please?" ad.

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Originally posted by Anduine:
Xardoz! I think you'd chip $50 for anything related to FF. But that's why were so glad to have met you!

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Originally posted by Roy:

Just wondering what folks would think of a monthly Email newspaper 2-4 pages hitting on main events, threads, sundries and such. A lot of folk don't have the time to wade through 100s of threads, but would still like a heads up every now and again. Needs contributers, editors and the like but can be done.

If at first we don't suceed, try, try, try again

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Browncoats, are you content to see Firefly in 2nd place or would you rather see it at #1. It won't happen unless you vote.






I'll contribute...If you want me to. I might make it a slightly interesting bad idea.........

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@Anduine:

You're ignoring the ethical implications by making reference to people who already spam. The question is _not_ what other people do, it's whether it's right and whether we want to generate that image. IMO, being known to spam, if only each-other, isn't exactly a good image to have.

You're also ignoring another important fact about spam. Namely that it "works" /only/ when it's advertising a product that needs only a one time communication. So, for advertising purposes if one in a couple million works, then profit will typically be made.

BUT, what we're trying to do here is open a dialogue and get people on side. Spam is hardly an avenue to get that done. Not to mention that we hardly have a couple million emails to send to. The pretty much guaranteed outcome is that we piss off *far* more people than we get. And that's rather counter productive for our purposes here.


@Redhead:

Or one could just post a thread here and get it marked as "News Headlines" or some such.


It is no doubt that an ad in a high profile mag would bring about a fair amount of attention. But, one needs to think about what kind of attention that'd bring. IMO, it wouldn't exact be good en masse. After all, it's been how long since the show was cancelled and how long since the BDM came out? We already have a reputation of being delusional. Best not to fuel that.

Basically, we must consider how we look from that outside and let that guide our decisions. Because without outside support, anything we might try to accomplish will be doomed before it begins.



Please note that I'm not trying to poo-poo the ideas here. It just seems to me that people aren't considering the /con/ sides. Sure with any idea there will be pros. But, when one doesn't consider the cons bad things can happen. I guess you could say I'm doing some risk analysis.


IMO, anything that we might do has to "fly below the radar" until we get substantial support. That way, if the support is there, conversations will turn from, "Look at the delusional Browncoats" only, to continue, "But, there are so many people involved it isn't funny. And not just the die-hard fans either". Then things might get a second look.

Basically, critical mass is needed before public declarations are made. Otherwise, the most likely situation is that any movement we make will be written off out of hand. This has happened more than just once before. Let's not have history repeat itself again.



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Originally posted by Anduine:

I agree! Thanks for the reality check. The only question I have is in regards to the spam and ethics comment to me? I dont think I made any mention of spamming. Or I'm guessing it's regarding my comments to buy an email list (which I dont think is as effective anyway).

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Originally posted by Anduine:

But I especially like the comment about keeping under the radar until you've got something that will work and is credible and shiney.

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Originally posted by Anduine:

But hey for everyone out there...this is just brainstorming. I think we're getting a bit of a pulse or barometer with all this. So keep the idea's BOTH pro and con flowing!!

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Originally posted by redhead:

I love this fan site, obviously. But I have to think that there are maybe 250 different people who visit a day and that's probably a stretch. However, from my experience that doesn't even touch the real base of fans.

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Originally posted by redhead:

In my own experience, I know 8 people besides myself And I've only been a fan 2 1/2 months) who would love to see the show come back--would pay money to see the show come back and none of them are ever going to come to this site unless they get an invite that piques their interest.

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Originally posted by redhead:

I'm guessing there are past fans who are registered at this site who no longer or rarely visit. Many would be glad to be informed of something they could do. Is one notice asking them to check out the site really offensive?

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Originally posted by redhead:

Sheesh, I get between 10 and 20 spams a day. Probably every month or so, I'll get one that interests me--usually from some site that I've registered on. I'd rather not get the rest but (other than the porn ones) they don't bother me much.

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Originally posted by redhead:

What is unethical about a one time advertisement --for something they have shown interest in?

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Originally posted by Anduine:

Simanuki,

Ok. Thanks for clarifying. Personally I agree with you on unsolicited email anyway. So thanks for making it a point. It's good one.

cheers

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Originally posted by Murkymerc:
I don't want to add negativity here, because you all are so cute with your little revolution. It seems like we all go through this. Discover the 'verse through Serenity (except for you elite ones who saw the series first), go through the DVDs of the series, the sorrow of realizing that there is nothing left to watch, come here with some organized way to bring it back, finally acceptance. Frankly, I hope you pull it off and I was here to see it, however there are a few things you are going to have to consider.

That’s what you are up against. That being said....give 'em hell.

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Originally posted by prototype7:

"bringbackserenity.com" , "saveserenity.com" or somesuch. I'm sure we could find a pretty good deal on webhosting and it shouldn't be that expensive even if only a handful of people wanted to chip in.

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Hope springs eternal in cutesy revolutions.

Well. I imagine that, in part, is the definition of being a fan....


Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt

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