I think a mod is necessary by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown

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Originally posted by ormaybemidgets:

(Also, that trailer park would ROCK. Firefly marathons and Serenity screenings all the time!)

that would be worth living in a trailer park

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:45 PM

PAGANPAUL

Ummm... ShadowFLY, that's my SIGNATURE, and has nothing to do with you. You've seen it a hundred times before. Why would you think it was about you?

Anyway, the signature has nothing to do with you, but the comments you made about PhoenixRising in the "Putting Faces with Names" thread have offended me and just about everyone else on this board.

As I said in the thread you made those comments in, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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流口水的婊子和猴子的笨儿子。
Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh hoe-tze duh bun ur-tze.
"Stupid son of a drooling whore and a monkey."

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:48 PM

You guys get so offended so easily. Such thin skin. How do you even get up in the morning?

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:49 PM

Pretty easily because I don't have all that extra skin weight holding me down.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:51 PM

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Originally posted by PaganPaul:
Ummm... ShadowFLY, that's my SIGNATURE, and has nothing to do with you. You've seen it a hundred times before. Why would you think it was about you?

Anyway, the signature has nothing to do with you, but the comments you made about PhoenixRising in the "Putting Faces with Names" thread have offended me and just about everyone else on this board.

As I said in the thread you made those comments in, you should be ashamed of yourself.

I have nothing to be ashamed of Mr. Watcher.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:53 PM

PAGANPAUL

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Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
And just what have I done to you to make you say that?

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

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Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
You guys get so offended so easily. Such thin skin. How do you even get up in the morning?

My oh my, were you offended by what I said?

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流口水的婊子和猴子的笨儿子。
Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh hoe-tze duh bun ur-tze.
"Stupid son of a drooling whore and a monkey."

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:56 PM

Forget I even asked.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:58 PM

PAGANPAUL

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Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
I have nothing to be ashamed of Mr. Watcher.

Then why did you immediately issue a public apology if you've nothing to be ashamed of?

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流口水的婊子和猴子的笨儿子。
Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh hoe-tze duh bun ur-tze.
"Stupid son of a drooling whore and a monkey."

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:00 PM

Public apology?????
What public apology?
I have nothing to apologize for!!!!!!!!!

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:03 PM

There is no public apology on this forum coming from me. Good try Mr. But you failed. I searched. I have nothing to feel sorry for. I did no wrong.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:11 PM

MATTEBLACK

It has been my general experience on a variety of forums that the worst trolls share a large dose of craving for any type of attention. When you get dragged down into their arguments you are playing the game they want.

There will always be people we don't agree with and, like it or not, we don't get to decide what is the right way to think for the rest of the forum. The more you press the issue over trollish behavior the longer it will be an issue.

The forums generally work better if we comment on statements and ideas and not eachother. I am a big believer in ignoring personal attacks (or at least not trading them) to avoid unneeded forum drama. Perhaps, it is time to consider that strategy now.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:13 PM

have you read the above thread?

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:16 PM

Perhaps it is. They claim I'm someone called river and I'm not this person. I didn't even like river in firefly. They have a problem with me poking fun at their photographs. I did it for fun and a certain level of meanness, which I do confess too, but I kept it in Troll Country. In order for them to to be offended, they had to venture into Troll Country, therefore they made a choice.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:29 PM

BELUGASMOM

I so agree with you MATTEBLACK. Now, off to some fun and interesting thread. This one, and SHADOWFLY, are BOOOORRRRIIINNNNNGGGGGG!!!!

Life is short, brutal, and unpredictable. EAT DESSERT FIRST.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:32 PM

CAUSAL

Now, of course, I'm all for Shadow going away, but people, s/he's baiting us. S/he wants the attention, and apparently can't get it by posting anything thoughtful. So s/he just says assinine, insulting and generally trollish things. Because s/he wants the attention. Because s/he wants the attention. Because s/he--hell, no need to beat a dead horse, but the best medicine for a jackass like this is to ignore them. Like with PirateNews. No attention=they find some other forum to troll around in. But constantly fighting with this (obviously troubled) individual just plays into his/her hands.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:33 PM

read the thread I mentioned and you won't feel that way

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:37 PM

CAUSAL

I did--and you're right, those were some horrible things to say. But s/he's saying them for the attention. S/he wants to get a rise out of people because after all, bad attention is better than none at all. Fighting with this individual isn't going to work--that just plays into his/her game. Until Haken bans this person (which I'm not convinced he'll do) we can either fight with him/her or ignore him/her. For my sanity and my blood pressure, I'm going to try the latter.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:43 PM

this person should be banned, end of story

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:43 PM

I should be banned?

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:47 PM

CAUSAL

So first we ban the trolls. Then what? Then we ban people who use foul language, maybe. Then ban the folks who argue in the RWED threads. Then ban everybody whose political views don't agree with the moderator's. I mean, where do you stop with the banning? Person's got a right to be an asshole. But that doesn't mean I need to pay him/her any mind. Any hopefully, if enough people do that, they'll find another thread to drag their psychoses around in.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:47 PM

I miss River....wha?

Sorry.

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'Shiny moments aren't a destination any of us get to, and stay put forever. They're unknowable, brief flashes in time. That's what makes them shiny.' -GorramReevers

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:49 PM

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So first we ban the trolls. Then what? Then we ban people who use foul language, maybe.

I think that these are pretty different things. I mean, you can write thoughtful, relevent post and still use foul language. But you can't write thoughtful, relevent posts and still be a troll. Good posts are what we're aiming for. Good posts and trollishness are mutually exclusive behaviors.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:50 PM

I think you all should go to hel....WTF is happening? ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:50 PM

I think you all should go to hel....WTF is happening? ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by ormaybemidgets:
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So first we ban the trolls. Then what? Then we ban people who use foul language, maybe.

I think that these are pretty different things. I mean, you can write thoughtful, relevant post and still use foul language. But you can't write thoughtful, relevant posts and still be a troll. Good posts are what we're aiming for. Good posts and trollishness are mutually exclusive behaviors.

trollishness should be banned

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:54 PM

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Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
I think you all should go to hel....WTF is happening? ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here I stand. Back to me. Ms attention wanting not getting enough of anything. Here I stand a fool on the hill. Laugh at me and call me an idiot, which I am, but you should have the tact to not say.

I'm sorry. I'm not sure what I'm sorry about about but I'm sorry and I hate each and every one of you.

Ban me? I think that's the proper thing to do. I accept being banned. I'm banned River. Bannaged rivergirl.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:58 PM

River-
I'm not sure if that was you actually talking, or you're just acting this way. But, if it's the latter, I have to honestly tell you that what you said was very nicely arranged. Very poetic and nice.

Although, probably I'm only saying this because this is the first such post of yours I've read. I'm guessing that, had I read more, I wouldn't have the same appreciation.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:00 PM

I will personally kick all asses of those who wish River-girl to be banned.

Virtually.

Wow, that lost it's steely effect.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:02 PM

I will fight for the banning of trolls with my lightsaber

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:04 PM

Ban me? This is okay. This is a good thing, and I don't care. I could care less. Casual, you say I'm a troubled person? Well this is earth Mr. Warrior man. This is the earth of cause and effect. This is the place where just getting up in the morning can be a tragic affair. Troubled person....troubled...

Attention getting? Sometimes, but this week not really. I simply wanted to be mean. I got what I wanted, so I'm alright. Just sitting here reading your posts on how to ban the troll is what got me annoyed. Ban the troll. Thats the human experience. Our whole lives are about banning the trolls.

Screw all of you and good luck with the banning of me.

River

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:07 PM

Well, see now we can ban ShadowFLY and still keep the actual person. i guess.

Although i don't think a banning is necessary, i think simply the united front of defense of Ged and stuff and the attack on the simply rude behavior of ShadowFly was good enough.

We should all try to be civil and not attack people. Unless of course someone attacks someone else for some reason that isn't valid or is insensitive.

Someone tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:10 PM

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trollishness should be banned

Oh, yeah. Anything that ends in -ishness.

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Someone tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back.

Amen. See how Firefly teaches us about life?

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:16 PM

MATTEBLACK

Quote:
Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
I will fight for the banning of trolls with my lightsaber

On some forums, campaigning for the banishment of another poster is considered harassment. Ultimately, though, it is pretty pointless. You provide the offending troll with their oh-so-wanted attention and at best you force them to create another account.

For my money, I'd rather ignore them initially and be able to have all their idiocy recorded under one name. This way, you cut them off from the drama they seek and you can go back and search their old posts to sink their arguments with their own hypocracy. This of course assumes that you, yourself, do not enjoy the drama as well.

Again, refute their opinions and ignore the personal wars. Let their own trollishness speak for itself. The posters here are, for the most part, intelligent enough to see when someone is just being a loudmouth jerk.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:17 PM

No, banning of me the Troll is a good thing. I'm not a nice person. I hate all of humanity and that's my fault. Life just creeped up on me and one day I woke up and I was 44 and realized that I'm no longer even human. Ban me? Yes! Ban the troll because that's what I am. I've always been a troll. But as a Troll I have to say this...at least I was an honest troll.

I've looked at all your photographs in the other threads and I have to say this. For all the money I have made in my life and it’s a lot. For all my position and prestige. For all my success, I have not been able to achieve what you people here have. Friends, love, fun, creativity, hope, spontaneity, silliness, courage, and family. These things are beyond me. Troll? Yes, I'm a Troll because all trolls, troll because they too lack these things and are trying to find them through all of you who are quick to ban them.

Ban me? Go ahead and do your worst Haken. I dare you.

River

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:18 PM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by nanite1018:
We should all try to be civil and not attack people. Unless of course someone attacks someone else for some reason that isn't valid or is insensitive.

Someone tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back.

well that is the problem isn't it?
we have this needy broken person (River) who decides to take on the persona of a nasty little troll (Shadow) and proceeds to attack and hurt a lot of people who weren't doing anything to call for that kind of behavior.
It was all a pitiful attempt at getting attention,
and having gotten the attention she now wants everyone to feel sorry for her and her stupid mulitple personalities.

Banning is pretty extreme, in the past we've only banned people who actually tried to destroy the site through hacking,
not drama queens whith delusions of ...
whatever.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:20 PM

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Originally posted by MatteBlack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
I will fight for the banning of trolls with my lightsaber

On some forums, campaigning for the banishment of another poster is considered harassment.

anyone with half a brain cell would look at those posts and say "that person should be banned" and if that's not the way of the forum I'm on (no matter the subject of said forum) then I wouldn't want to post on it

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:22 PM

I say ban away. My posts in that thread where the guy lost his dog, I meant every word I said. BAN ME!!!!

River

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:26 PM

I wouldn't say that I'm needy. I live alone and the only time I reach out is on this board. Attention, sure, why the hell not? Sue me or ban me. Hurting people? I doubt my words sliced into the hearts of any of you. Its words on a screen people!!!! How can words on a screen hurt!?

I stare at all of you and wonder where you end and where you begin.

River

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:30 PM

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Banning is pretty extreme, in the past we've only banned people who actually tried to destroy the site through hacking

Interesting. I didn't know that.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:32 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I say ban away. My posts in that thread where the guy lost his dog, I meant every word I said. BAN ME!!!!

River

What the hell is your problem? I don't want to ban you, i simply want you to act like a reasonable and polite person. Sure, people have bad days and whatnot, and i can forgive them. As long as you remain a relatively polite/compassionate/rational human being i'm fine. Just don't go back to ShadoFly. And you know, in reference to what i quoted, that's pretty strange. At this point it seems like you simply want people to pay attention to you or feel sorry for you.

Please, don't be a troll anymore. It's not like it is a chronic condition. Troll's can be reformed. So reform. Who knows, maybe you'll be a productive member of the Browncoat community.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:33 PM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:

anyone with half a brain cell would look at those posts and say "that person should be banned" and if that's not the way of the forum I'm on (no matter the subject of said forum) then I wouldn't want to post on it

Guy: I'm really sorry you got caught in this sick needy woman's deaire to hurt other people in order to give herself the illusion of having a life.
You didn't deserve to be treated like that by anyone.

I hope you know that you are valued and appreciated,
I'm not a mod, and I don't know Haken, so I'm not involved in an decisions about banning one way or the other.
I know that this has caused you a lot of unnecessary pain, and I hope that you can get past it and enjoy this site in spite of all the ugliness brought here by the Drama Queen.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:37 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I wouldn't say that I'm needy. I live alone and the only time I reach out is on this board. Attention, sure, why the hell not? Sue me or ban me. Hurting people? I doubt my words sliced into the hearts of any of you. Its words on a screen people!!!! How can words on a screen hurt!?

I stare at all of you and wonder where you end and where you begin.

River

Well, if this board is the only time you reach out, maybe you should be a little nicer. And you know words can hurt, no matter what form they come in. To be honest, i was angry for you blatant disregard for people's emotions. And i certainly would have been hurt if you'd said that to me about my dog, if my dog was dying, which she's not.

And i don't get that last part of your quote. What's it mean?

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:42 PM

MATTEBLACK

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Its words on a screen people!!!! How can words on a screen hurt!?

In actuality, those words are really all that exists on these forums. What we say and share is all we can really be judged on. Names, ages, info and even pics can be very easily faked.

Many posters are able to express more of themselves here than many other places so, it should be no surprise that slamming someone here can be painful. Earlier on, Shadowfly mentioned saying those things to be mean, presumably to hurt someone's feelings.

If everything a poster presents is hate, idiocy and negativity then, that is all that poster is to me here. As far as I am concerned, all you are is what you bring to the discussion and how that can help or enlighten me or others.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:46 PM

ONEMANSHORT

To ShadowFLY:
I wasn't going to post on this thread, because I knew it would just be fueling your ego. It must make you feel great to have a whole legion of fans dedicating a thread just to you. But you know what? You remind me of Badger, a sad little king of a sad little hill. Even worse than Badger because you're not getting paid for any of it. If we are the "small people" you claim we are, then you have nothing to be proud of because we are so "small" and our opinion should not matter to you or to anyone. If we are the "big people" however, you feel that you got our attention, and that is what fuels your upsetting posts, so I'm assuming here that you think of us all as wonderful people, or else you would not want attention. So I guess, in a way, you're complimenting us...thanks for the compliment. And so, if we are the big people, I guess that makes you small...

To All Nice People:
Yes, we are great people, we have the ability to recognize an amazing show when it comes around, and to use it as a sort of guide. The morals established in Firefly are quite simple, and great lessons can be learned, whether it is to tell someone you love that you do love them when you have the chance, to fighr for what you believe in but not at the expense of losing your humanity, or being willing to give anything for a friend, we were able to learn. Based on the amazing art and writing produced from this site, it also fuels our creativity and taps into a place that may have been unknown to us. We are mighty, and it is wonderful that we can band together in our love for Firefly. Because we are so great, I think that ShadowFLY or River, whoever it is, does not deserve any more of our attention, because he or she is truly a small person. This has been said a few times before and I'm sayign it again now, he or she got his thread and that's about all the attention he or she deserves. It's time for this to stop.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:52 PM

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Originally posted by nanite1018:
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I say ban away. My posts in that thread where the guy lost his dog, I meant every word I said. BAN ME!!!!

River

What the hell is your problem? I don't want to ban you, i simply want you to act like a reasonable and polite person. Sure, people have bad days and whatnot, and i can forgive them. As long as you remain a relatively polite/compassionate/rational human being i'm fine. Just don't go back to ShadoFly. And you know, in reference to what i quoted, that's pretty strange. At this point it seems like you simply want people to pay attention to you or feel sorry for you.

Please, don't be a troll anymore. It's not like it is a chronic condition. Troll's can be reformed. So reform. Who knows, maybe you'll be a productive member of the Browncoat community.

River stares ar Nanite1018 for a few moments before she comes over to him, grabs him by the neck, forces him up against the nearby wall and unsheaths her extremly, sharp knife and holds it up against his throat.

A bad day? You think this is all because of a bad day? Feel sorry? You think I want people to feel sorry for me? How could you feel sorry for me? What would feeling sorry for me look like?

I don't want anything from any of you. No, let me correct myself. I don't want nor need your pity. I don't want your attention, but I do want to not be dismissed which you people are so very good at doing.

You sorry, simple minded heard animals. Fit it all in a box have you? If you can't understand it, and if it doesnt subscribe to what is considered rational thinking its sick is it? I guess by your standards I'm sick because I don't line up and enter your social order of operations. Be nice and play well with the other is it?

River moves away from Nanite1018 and throws the knife away. She walks away from him and his fit-in the-box friends, and she's totally disgusted. She wonders how is it that there is no flexability in the minds of the human animal.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:04 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
River stares ar Nanite1018 for a few moments before she comes over to him, grabs him by the neck, forces him up against the nearby wall and unsheaths her extremly, sharp knife and holds it up against his throat.

A bad day? You think this is all because of a bad day? Feel sorry? You think I want people to feel sorry for me? How could you feel sorry for me? What would feeling sorry for me look like?

I don't want anything from any of you. No, let me correct myself. I don't want nor need your pity. I don't want your attention, but I do want to not be dismissed which you people are so very good at doing.

You sorry, simple minded heard animals. Fit it all in a box have you? If you can't understand it, and if it doesnt subscribe to what is considered rational thinking its sick is it? I guess by your standards I'm sick because I don't line up and enter your social order of operations. Be nice and play well with the other is it?

River moves away from Nanite1018 and throws the knife away. She walks away from him and his fit-in the-box friends, and she's totally disgusted. She wonders how is it that there is no flexability in the minds of the human animal.

Very sorry. um... hm. I don't dismiss you. I simply disagree. Now, i'll take part in a good hearty rational debate anytime, i'd love to. But simply saying "grow some balls" and "stop feeling bad, it's an animal" and whatnot is not part of a rational debate. You explain your side, i'll explain mine. Sorry to offend. And yes, you should play reasonably well, such as not throwing people against a wall and holding a knife to their neck. Stand up for what you believe in but don't attack someone unless they attack you first. I didn't attack you. Hell, i've probably been one of the nicest people on this thread or the other thread. To you at least.

And you know, my mind s flexible, but only to facts, to rational discussion, to cost-benefit kind of things. Weigh the pros and cons. I weigh everyone's opinions to my own moral standards and see if they fit. Hell, i even weigh other's moral standards to see if they are more rational and beneficial then mine. Normally my opinions/beliefs don't change. But if someone can truly give a valid, logical reason for me to change my mind, that tips the scale the other way, then i'll change. It's only that so far, i haven't seen a logical argument, just rants and/or emotional outbursts. I am sorry if i offended you in any way. Didn't mean to.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:50 PM

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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
Quote:
Originally posted by MatteBlack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
I will fight for the banning of trolls with my lightsaber

On some forums, campaigning for the banishment of another poster is considered harassment.

anyone with half a brain cell would look at those posts and say "that person should be banned" and if that's not the way of the forum I'm on (no matter the subject of said forum) then I wouldn't want to post on it

a little edit to that statement what I meant to say is "anyone with half a brain cell would look at those posts in the context of that thread and say "that person should be banned""

that is the meaning. I don't want to be accused of campaining for the bannishment of another person because I don't agree with their opinions.

I would like to say ,however, that when expressing one's opinions one should do so in a manner that isn't thoughtless with regards to whoever they are speaking to.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:52 PM

SINGATE

I'm at a loss here. Someone please explain to me why anyone gets offended by words on a computer screen. Very few of us have ever met in person. Very few of us ever will. I know a lot of people refer to those they meet on the internet as a significant part of their lives. I really don't get that. There is almost no way to validate anything a person says about themselves online. If I see someone referring to their being rich, gay, catholic, charity worker, lawyer, or whatever I pretty much ignore these things as extraneous information. I can't prove or disprove these things nor would I care to.

I really need to get back on topic. I do agree with SF on one point, people do need to grow thicker skins with regards to many things. The barbs thrown around on the internet are more or less meaningless no matter how insensitive they may be.

Pesonally I prefer to argue with people in person. It's much more fun seeing the physical reactions to a well conceived insult. Since I joined up at this site I can't remember having really gone after anyone because that isn't why I come here. If that is another person's cup of tea so be it. Tussle with them then move on with your life.

This rant isn't directed at anyone in particular. It would be more accurate to say it is directed at everyone because there has been an awful lot of bellyaching lately.

One last thing. People please stop calling everyone you don't like a troll. It's really getting old.

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