Dobson on Serenity by est120

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Dobson on Serenity

POSTED BY: EST120
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 9, 2005 13:11
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Monday, May 3, 2004 5:33 AM

Okay, here is another thought. In Serenity when Mal and Zoe are off dealing with Patience, Book goes to the room where they are holding Dobson (the Fed) and he says "I think you are in more danger than you know" and he opens the door whereupon Dobson hits him in the face with the bottle and knocks him out. Any thoughts on what Book was doing? Some people have mentioned the possibility that Book is a Fed, could Book have been trying to save a fellow Fed?

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Monday, May 3, 2004 5:50 AM

HKCAVALIER

I think he was simply trying to save another human being. There is, however, that peculiar line in Inara's shuttle about "the man I swore to protect." What the? Since when does a priest swear to protect someone? Makes me think of "Protect and Serve." More evidence that Book is a (former?) cop.

HKCavalier

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Monday, September 6, 2004 1:09 AM

CAPNERIC

I think Book is referring to the fight in the cargo bay. After Book punches Dobson, Jayne is ready to kill him (Dobson) and Book stands in his way, "Not gonna happen".

Yes?

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Monday, September 6, 2004 1:53 AM

PURPLEBELLY

Book is referring to the Blue Sun agents on the cruiser that Dobson has called in who, when they have River, will kill all the remaining occupants of Serenity including Dobson.

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Monday, September 6, 2004 4:07 AM

GAVIDA

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Book is referring to the Blue Sun agents on the cruiser that Dobson has called in who, when they have River, will kill all the remaining occupants of Serenity including Dobson.

I guess, you assume that it is that way, since I was not able to find any proof to that theory

Keep flying,
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Monday, September 6, 2004 4:21 AM

SHINY

We could give you proof, but then we'd have to brain-melty-thing you.

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Monday, September 6, 2004 5:54 AM

PURPLEBELLY

Quote:
Originally posted by Gavida:
I guess, you assume that it is that way

We learn later that Blue Sun agents are treated as guests of some authority on board Alliance Fleet cruisers (The Train Job)
We learn later that Blue Sun agents clean up (Ariel)
Whedon is introducing the idea that there is faction within the Alliance that acts covertly with extreme prejudice; the main narrative drive of the series.

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Monday, September 6, 2004 7:23 AM

GAVIDA

Sorry, I might be missing something here, maybe you can point me in the right direction....

Where was it said that the HoB are Blue Sun "agents"?

Maybe they work for Interpol?
Or maybe for an offical federal agency?

Keep flying,
Gavida

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Monday, September 6, 2004 8:44 AM

PURPLEBELLY

Quote:
Originally posted by Gavida:
Maybe they work for Interpol?
Or maybe for an offical federal agency?

And when Simon will kiss Kayley becomes the most powerful narrative device

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Monday, September 6, 2004 12:59 PM

GAVIDA

Not really, but having the HoB belonging to Blue Sun isn't that much different, is it?

It might well be, but you always state the things as facts and there is absolutely no proof for that.

We can speculate about it of course

Keep flying,
Gavida

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Monday, September 6, 2004 7:46 PM

PURPLEBELLY

IANAL. I would assert that Simon is gay, but you'd want poof

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:00 AM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Quote:
Originally posted by est120:
..."I think you are in more danger than you know" and he opens the door whereupon Dobson hits him in the face with the bottle and knocks him out. Any thoughts on what Book was doing?...

Point of interest, he hits him with a Fire Extinguisher. If you look closely during the scene where Mal and Jayne are talking about interrogating the Fed, you can see it behind Mal. I thought that was excellent set design/scene shooting, because you don't have to question where the (easily overlooked) blunt object comes from that is used to beat Book.

Now that aside, Book's statement could be taken a couple of ways, I think:

A) These crazy people are gonna kill you, let's you and me figure a way out of here. (At the time, book didn't know the crew from Adam, and Mal had already threatened to chuck Simon into space if Kaylee died, so it makes sense).

B) I am a Fed who understands what is going on with this situation, and when the Feds that you called arrive, they are gonna kill you too.

C) I am an ex-Fed, and left for a damn good reason. Time to give up the crazy pursuit and not get dead, because if these people don't kill you, the Feds will because you know too much.

Another point of interest, Dobson's poor widow. Sure it may have been part of the "disguise", but Dobson was wearing a wedding ring. I can see the Fed sent to break the news...

"Mrs. Dobson, we regret to inform you that your husband was shot in the head by a criminal, whom fought in the war against the Alliance, but we let him go, after pursuing a psychic teenager, whom we made in a lab by playing with her brain, and was left on a border world, where we really don't care to police, to be feasted upon by Reavers, who incidentally do not exist, so it must have been buzzards that ate him, and the sympathies of the entire Alliance is with you. Now in compliance with U.A.P. directive 43-A article IV subarticle 3b, your are entitled to compensation equal to the level of recognition your former husband recieved as an Agent. Please accept this as a small token of the recognition of your husbands sacrifice to the safety and preservation of all Alliance citizens." and he hands her a coupon book for Blue Sun Products.

Face it, Dobson may not have been a *complete* back-birth, but he was still a developing back-birth. :) To psuedo-quote the comic store owner in the Simpsons...

"Worst. Cop. Ever."

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:23 AM

RABIT

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Originally posted by TenthCrewMember:
Another point of interest, Dobson's poor widow. Sure it may have been part of the "disguise", but Dobson was wearing a wedding ring.

Uh, just FYI: according to Joss, Dobson wasn't dead. He says that in the commentary, if I remember correctly, something about there not being any blood and that they'd fully planned on him coming back. Now that would have been shiny!

Unless my imagination has started taking over again - man I hate it when that happens...

Rabit

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:37 PM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Quote:
Originally posted by Rabit:
Uh, just FYI: according to Joss, Dobson wasn't dead. He says that in the commentary, if I remember correctly,

(This post may sound mean spirited at times, but its not meant to be, just my honest feelings on the matter.)

Aroo? This spoils my fun and speculation, where was this said? I seem to have missed it. I mean, they couldn't exactly show "brainsplatter" on national TV, as realistic as it might have been. Besides, if the bullet goes into the head and doesn't come out (often results in death), there usually isn't a lot of blood pouring from the head.

He fell over, looking quite dead after being shot, and Mal (a hardened war vet) looked him dead in the face (pardon the pun) and seemed satisfied enough to toss his carcass out the door...in the middle of nowhere at the assend of the system. Sure it's an assumption that he is dead, but I don't think I would have enjoyed the worst cop ever coming back from the dead. Save that lame stuff for daytime soaps. Just my take on it, is all, and I was simply trying to be fun with something I think people overlooked, that being the wedding ring on Dobson.

It was an observation. It was an opinion. It was humor. Sorry I tried to be thought-provoking AND entertaining.

But, just so we're clear...
A) I was speculating based on what I saw on the show (not in commentaries, blogs, livejournals, interviews or anything else that was not the show)
B) I was having a bit of fun (this is the important part)
C) I really don't care whether he was "really" dead or not because it is a show. A show I really really LOVE, but still just a show.

Hell, as long as you brought up the idea, either way, Dobson's wife would make a better enemy than DobsoCop for the simple facts of vengeance (you killed or paralyzed my husband, now you must die) and that Dobson was clearly inept (at best he was having the worst day of his career, which doesn't say much for what his good days were like).

I think, IMHO, Joss would never bring back such a lame (though necessary in that episode) character, and *IF* he said that, it was in jest. That is my opinion. It wouldn't be the first time he said one thing and did another just so you wouldn't expect what came next.

Anyway, I guess that's all. Defending my right to add humor and hypothesis to a fictional situation makes me paranoid and crotchety.

Not-enough-space-dimentia...

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Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:46 PM

SMOKE

Dobson sucked at doing his job. lol That's all I have to say on this subject atm.

Smoke em if you got em

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Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:14 PM

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Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Seems the comics prove me right AND wrong.

Select to view spoiler:

See, Dobson lived AND he's STILL the most inept man in the 'Verse! Everybody's happy now!

BWAH!
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Wednesday, November 9, 2005 1:11 PM

CAUSAL

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
We learn later that Blue Sun agents are treated as guests of some authority on board Alliance Fleet cruisers (The Train Job)
We learn later that Blue Sun agents clean up (Ariel)
Whedon is introducing the idea that there is faction within the Alliance that acts covertly with extreme prejudice; the main narrative drive of the series.

And where exactly do we learn that they are Blue Sun agents? And please don't say, "Their gloves are blue!" That's not gonna cut it.

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