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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Dark Mater I watched a few seasons its a few years back but not he same show

There is the new 2024 TV series, some China guy in America story worked like a beast of burden politics blocks his achievements maybe stars with Meryl Streep, also a fun Syfy tv series about a ragtag scifi spaceship crew with memory loss

maybe you were drinking a lot of booze, a good show

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

But that episode, as silly as it was, really put the glue on the characters and made you believe that this was now a team of people who cared for each other and weren't just random amnesiac strangers who didn't trust anyone and were only looking out for Number #1 like everyone did in the beginning of the series.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I can't remember a single character's name in Dark Matter now, but I do remember they did a great job making you care about all the characters as the story unfolded.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Ok might give that first ep a look

already seen a series of blogger gif or tv link online, so I know who is in it at least

Apple Tv is not the worst however they have backed up crap like the new movie Napoleon.

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EDIT having a look now

maybe some camera writing Foreshadowing the story device utilized to give a hint or indication of future events in the story ... not sure if Foreshadowing, I think we expect it these days.

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Guy who wrote this show, a positive and other novels was a show I previously watched, books were adapted into the television series 'Wayward Pines'.

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Joel Edgerton Zero Dark Thirty, Great Gatsby he almost looks like a twin of Steve Bacic, tv Stargate, BattleStar, Xfiles, guested in the Xmen movie and Andromeda tv (this site used to be an Andromeda site)
Steve is more athletic and nose is different but they look almost the same, I kinda feel like Ive seen the face a lot more?
Jennifer Connelly

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teen kid doesn't crash car, forgiving

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Schrödinger's Cat

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Friend wins a book prize a call / text disturbs night of wine with wife, he seems comfortable-ish but no satisfaction or interaction with students
Wife says go meet friend
spooky car pulling away, out of tune music we ought to get outta this place, illuminat pirate news occult tattoo, weird seeing group introduced fast their faces stare at the camera almost breaking the 4th wall so you almost feel drunkish in a bar
it slows down camera pulls in, they have a quiet moment money, Neurotech conspiracy unfolds?

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Also actress Jennifer Connelly and weird alt dimension geometry in the intro

something weird may happen?

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like that Bowie scene

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hope it adds humor, I'm both a fan and a critic of a guy like Joss but at least he throws in jokes

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Seems its going to go 'Quantum Leap' mixed with alt reality thriller horror maybe?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I can't remember a single character's name in Dark Matter now, but I do remember they did a great job making you care about all the characters as the story unfolded.

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They didn't have names they had numbers, not as wacko as an old cult TV Show The Prisoner is a British television series created by Patrick McGoohan...in Dark Matter they named each other by numbers as they came out of the cryo suspended animation pods.

Although I remember one called 'The Android'

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
They didn't have names they had numbers, not as wacko as an old cult TV Show The Prisoner is a British television series created by Patrick McGoohan...in Dark Matter they named each other by numbers as they came out of the cryo suspended animation pods.

Although I remember one called 'The Android'

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Originally posted by SIX:
Oh right! Numbers. Was "Jayne" "two"? Was the young girl "six"? I might be totally wrong on those but that's what's stuck in my mind right now for some reason.

Wasn't "One" the guy you thought was going to be your "avatar" and the main character of the show but then he turned out to be a bad guy?

Heh... Crazy how long buried memories start coming back to you but only in part.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Did you watch the 3rd season? :

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Finished the first ep seemed a little like Counterpart TV series if I could compare it to anything, 'Counterpart' is also the alternative world type show. I don't know where they might go with the plot so it could go down the alternate Universe at War or Spy Gangster Drama or the Imposter Body Snatchers route, MissionImpossible, There Will Be Blood, Kurosawa's Kagemusha, The Broken a 2008 French-British horror film exploring Capgras delusion, a psychological condition also known as impostor syndrome.

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So again I would compare the new Dark Matter more to the Counterpart TV series

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Did you watch the 3rd season? :

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It is rare for me to watch a full season of anything even more rare to finish a season 2 or 3, so no

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
its a pity you don't enjoy a style and genre born of Blade Runner

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Dark Matter 2024 still enjoying it might make it to ep 3 or 4 or whatever is out there now

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'THE LOVE INTEREST'

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Ep 2 was the weaker, I liked the Art idea it maybe even pays tribute or referenced that other movie Labyrinth the scene with Doors Riddle trying to figure out Bowie Goblin King Maze.
Something about the 3 smoking weed was it or having a drink but then an intense conversation starts 'hypothetical' that stops being intense about another man living a similar but very different life, it was a missed opportunity a joke to throw in, a chance for more anger, something else back and forth maybe humor, a reaction...but there was almost nothing, maybe they were playing sleepy and tired but I think it felt like a wasted scene.

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That weed smoking scene was to make a voice over for the trailer, my friend.

Sometime in the future you should get around to watching the trailer for the show. I didn't watch the full thing myself because I didn't want anything spoiled for me, but before I posted about the show here I wanted to see how spoilery the trailer was and it was awful.

What he was saying during that pot smoking scene as a hypothetical is played throughout the trailer, but in a way where it's presented as known fact about what happens to him in the show. I'd like to think that this is now NOT what is actually happening and the whole trailer viewing audience got punked.

I wouldn't watch the trailer yet, because I do believe it will spoil a lot of the show for you if you do, but remember this and go back and watch it after the season wraps up and you'll know that the scene was not wasted.

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Still feel like there is a whole Stolen Identity Face-Off Body Snatcher possession memory transfer mind hijacking into Body Suit Evil Doppelgänger from the Bizarre Mirror Universe...a common plot point Wolverine asks who am I and Identify your real self through Amnesia and missing Memory, forgetting your thoughts and person later proves to be important, the newbie not really new engages in acts that do not make sense...again similar to the other 'Dark Matter' with a space ship who forgot who they were but they twins one good and one evil? they have switched places. 'A Stolen Life' about Twins there was also a Van Damme movie, Double Impact? Sherlock Holmes, CSI, Poirot Murder Mystery maybe Xfiles, Enemy of the State

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There it is... Face-Off. If you remember before I said the following...

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SIX: I think you need to get ready to feel that way a lot. My mind has been swimming with the possibility of what is actually going on this whole time too. After 3 episodes, hilariously, part of me is starting to think that everything going on has a much more simple and almost trite/tropish motivation behind them. I don't think it's possible at all that these feelings are right, and I think that I'm being manipulated to feel that way by the story.

I REALLY want to tell you a certain Nicolas Cage movie part of this is really starting to remind me of, but I don't want to spoil anything for you because just mentioning the name of the movie would be a spoiler so I can't. You'll know what I know after you watch 2 more episodes.

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The "simple and trite/tropish motivation" was referencing Nicolas Cage's Face-Off. I think we're being lead to believe this on some level, but I expect the real motivations to run a whole lot deeper than this. The stakes just seem way too high for that to be all this is about.

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Sudden jumps between worlds is not as smooth as I thought it could be and adds a little confusion interrupting what could be a more natural flow of scifi drama story, its good they added that stopwatch droplet train car move by sound effect maybe a finger snap sound effect mixed into to that acoustic envelope effect otherwise you are not grounded when maybe unknowingly watching it all move between worlds.

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I'm okay with how they did that. I think it keeps the pace up and allows them to transition back and forth quickly without putting words on the screen or otherwise pulling you out of the experience. In fact, at some point, probably by the 3rd episode, I consciously stopped even noticing the snapping effect but I always seemed to know exactly when a transition happened and I've never found myself confused about where we were or what was going on.

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There are other hints if you don't catch the sound effect' you can notice the home is different, Jimmi Simpson as Ryan is fatter? or Jennifer Connelly dresses more seductive as the other Daniela or you have a more Housewife Soccer-mom look or one Joel Edgerton character Jason is unshaven and maybe has a cut and a scar. Jason-1 is adaptable and creative doing the bait and switch to get into 'technically his own house'. The Abortion angle adds a lot of drama and what if, is he losing his mind she asks. Is one of them a Bad 'Immoral' Jason, the spooky mask? Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde? There are hints that Jason-1 is sensitive type while new-Jason that jumped into Jason's bed, arriving at original Earth 1 is a bit more sociopath cold psychotic? proof he's really different are the thickened skin calluses from the Wedding Ring. So you have Abortionist Painter Artist Daniela and the other Soccer-mom Daniela?

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Yeah. I really like the differences in characters and the whole Butterfly Effect angle being played out in two universes simultaneously.

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it has weird drama
adding new life to an old romance a lot of movies do it, Casablanca, Great Gatsby, re-finding the Erotic and Romance, even slashers like 'Scream' but making husband replaced by psycho Earth-2 version is another level of weird and strange, the Falling-in-Love but psycho man from Earth-2 Falls Out of Love goes Abortion-man or was only thinking of himself but then he goes to Earth-1 and finds good sex again.

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Yeah. I like that part too. The whole time though I'm thinking to myself that "this cannot be what the show's all about". I think the relationship is all a big red herring. It's something that "bad Jason" always wanted with the grass being greener on the other side, sure, but there's no way he went to those lengths to get it. I also wonder if he's really even bad or not. He certainly is unburdened by morals and the societal code. But maybe he's seen some shit and knows stuff that nobody else knows and is on some sort of mission now that nobody at the company he created back in his own world are even aware of? Has he spent too much time staring into the void and seeing things that none of us were meant to ever see???

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Finally it starts to explain itself super position and multiple realities of Quantum Physics. Bad Jason from Earth-2 finds an unfinished Big Box in an old dirty warehoose, fix it and step inside big multi dimension mutliverse teleport thing happens? the Box the Cube important plot element, like a Borg ship or that Rock jihadi islamics walk around. they are about to have sex but then noise interrupts, phone and bad guys coming...ends with gore and shocker.

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Yes. I was not expecting that scene at all. As much as it sucked seeing it happen right after you finally got the sense that he found somebody safe that he could trust in this alternate reality, it lets you know the stakes are very real here and you should take nothing for granted. Like I said, I wouldn't expect any Joss Whedon style humor with this show, and just take a breather during the moments of levity that spring up from time to time in between the story. If they took anything from Joss at all it's the ability to kill off a main character unapologetically.

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I haven't really noticed the other merc military guy he has a kind of LeBron or Malcolm-Jamal Warner Theo Huxtable look about his features.
Marquita Brooks plays a murderous violent solider merc imbecile with a gun 'Dawn Lawrence'. What is the role, the Orc, the Beast, the Demon you see in other movies and shows?
Alice Braga playing Amanda even though the role is small it is adding a lot of presence to the show.

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Man... You are really good at names, aren't you? It's never been my strong suit. I don't think I knew all the characters of Firefly by name until toward the end if the season. I'm impressed. I know exactly which characters you're talking about by the descriptions, but I wouldn't have known any of their names. Heh... as much as I love this show so far, I forgot the main character's name was Jason and I couldn't have told you that Connelly's name was Daniella unless I looked it up if you didn't say it here.

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Can you see it coming, predictions, foreshadowing.
How will it go....So Amanda from Earth-2 will now help Jason from Earth-1? free him so he can fix the box? and bring back Jason-2??
the organization...working for something, the military, a world government? evil nazi scientists or afraid the public will learn of Cern Mandela-effect 'Quantum Jumps' or the public is forbidden to learn of alt reality? so they will now hunt Amanda just as she frees Jason-1...but it gets confused as they also focus on Jason-2 or they learn or Amanda learns that Jason-1 is not Jason-2?
A bloody shocking ending might give it another ep 3

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I honestly have no idea where it's going right now man. And I love it.

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Those tropish motivations as you mentioned?

Screen writing notes
https://scriptmag.com/features/script-notes-major-character-types-love
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'THE LOVE INTEREST'

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Yeah. The "Love Interest". Boy... what a letdown if that's what this is all about. I don't believe that in the slightest though.

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They could have added more colors to one of the worlds, both worlds seem very gray, black, brown, dark blue, greyish everything faded with dark filters, one of the reason I like some of the Asian shows and movies is the colors are vibrant, jumping out of the movie screen and tv while eeverything Hollywood has that dull Napoleon look.

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I like it though. This show is a little like Fringe, and if I recall they actually did use different light/color filters for the separate universes when that arc came into the show. The dark tone suits the show though. I think it also suits both worlds. Ours ("Earth-1"), is dark because it represents a man who just kind of coasted through life and settled for things. His life is safe and easy, but it is also boring and drab. Earth-2 is just dark because what little we've seen of that world is dark. I get the sense that however bad people here on Earth-1 might feel they've got it today, things are going a lot worse for the people of Earth-2... which may or may not play out into the story going further.

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I've seen other movies and shows in this style or at least trailers, 'Otherworld' is very dated and a family show, novels, movies and comicbooks can do the parallel universe thing well, Dredd is an interesting British take on the cartoon scifi comic world but also incredibly cheesy at times, is Counterpart worth watching?....maybe I watched one season. 'Charlie Jade' might be a better show than both but if you don't like Cyberpunk you might not enjoy Charlie Jade. The tv show Charlie Jade is very Blade Runner-ish.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
ok watched ep 3, it was excellent, lots of new characters introduced if we classify 1-2 as 'The Pilot' takes the show in a new direction.
The female henchman or henchwoman is basically just a monster.
but new concepts and plot elements taking it in another direction and a Female Cop detective shows up trying to sniff things out and had a few twists I did not expect.

Joel Edgerton is a good actor, and very skilled playing as good guy Jason-1 or as narcissism Jason-2 playing a role of an imposter trying to fit into another person's shoes

it hints at the modern world, maybe even kind of a warning about all the stuff you put out there on the Instagrams, Snapchats, Facebooks

poor Ryan can't get a break but he's a lot more financially successful in Earth-1

Without doubt going down that stolen memory stolen identity route.
I thought he should have kicked the Female-Monster in the face, she was trying to put a gun into the room thought he should have kicked her teeth out, maybe the writers film makers wanted to make that scene shocking but I thought it was hilarious she lost her hand, pity she's still alive and I will be forced to watch more of her

didnt expect the ending with a super box tunnel

not sure if I'll watch more but its an entertaining show

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
The 'Capgras Syndrome' the Deep Fake or Body Snatcher plot or drug that renders him unconscious for the Quantum Jump Mirror Universe might be an important plot point, Dissociative Body Double paranoia identity...or Psycho thing I kind of hinted it might feel like it could go that way.

There was also maybe a trailer for a Scottish an Irish a Welsh movie? 'Hole in the Ground' imposter I never seen the film but it was maybe no scifi, more super natural horror, maybe an old actor from Braveheart was in it?

I might go back to this show, ep 2 put me off but I thought ep 3 was excellent as I said. If you class ep1-2 as a 'pilot' or join the two as a tele-movie it would lift the second part and make it stronger. I watched the trailer for the series and you're right it really spoils a lot of stuff about to happen and the show has a few twists and turns yet it seems to go in directions I was not expecting.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I think I might get to the rest of this show soon, casually watch stuff in evening either Nature Documentary or with French, German, Korean or Japanese language.

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There are other scifi from South Korea for example but Scifi seems kind of dead with the big Star Treks and Star Wars starting to fall down

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Dark Matter some face-off quantum leap stuff I will get back to it, probably won't have finished watching the older Dark Matter 2015 Canadian on the spaceship but what I seen of it I did enjoy
new Dark Matter 2024 I think its worth a binge watch, its a pity the DVD market is dead I used to enjoy buying them watching the extras, actor and director commentary and behind the scenes, will stream again with more free time.


the remake of Shogun is another show I need to finish (non scifi)

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I love shows like this that make you think about choices and how you think you would handle situations outside of the mundane. It's really good writing when you can empathize with and understand the motivations behind character's decisions. Especially when when they're making really bad choices.


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I think I'm current now on ep 7, it feels like its all lined up for a conclusion soon like a mid-season ending or end of season finale but I don't know whats a season anymore back in the old days with DVDs and television a season was almost half a year 24 episodes an episode per week on tv? I didn't realize Roxann Dawson had done so much writing and directing, known for her Star Trek acting playing the half Human half Klingon character B'Elanna Torres

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
My predictions - not always correct I admit but I think they change it, they will introduce a new timeline or world and go Man in the High Castle style...Jason-The-3rd-Stalin-Hitler is introduced.
They wrap it up in the last episodes or so...roads never taken but it changes....
but as it seems like its about to be a happy ending, they introduce Jason-3 who is a Multi-Universe spanning 'Vilos Cohaagen' so by indorducing a 3rd Jason it seems Jason-2 is not that evil and instead a new Jason-3rd will be introduced not like Jason-1 and even far worse than Jason-2...in fact Jason-2 is running from Jason-3 but as he ran to different worlds, Jason-2 is bad-ish got distracted and seduced, the new Jason-3 is basically Vader, a really evil Joe Stalin Adolf Hitler mustachio villain which explains why Jason-2 is not so bad and didn't kill Jason 1 during the first kidnapping, even wanted to offer the kidnapped Jason-1 riches and unfortunately went a little nuts and maybe Jason-2 watching Jason-1 went insane and felt some connection while stealing and destroying the lives of people...he's bad but a different shade of bad compared to what is yet to come.

I'm not sure how you would write beyond multi-verse evil Jason-3

I'm not sure how a writer would wrap it up fitting 'Ryan' who never gets a break, the kid Charlie and therapist girlfriend Amanda in all this, maybe an event happens that allows another kidnapping or marooning that links to Season 2 ...unless I have predicted all of the future writing beyond ep 7 incorrectly the author has the plot figured out and warped it all up in the books?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Your prediction wasn't that far off, but was entirely off at the same time.

Have you seen Episode 8 yet? I'm amazed right now. I didn't see that coming, and I'm only just a little bit mad at myself for that. They got me good.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I don't necessarily want a BAD ending, but that's why the ending to Episode 8 was the perfect ending to the series. The ambiguity. Leaving it up to the viewer to ponder and come up with their own infinite possibilities about how everything could play out from there.

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