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Boycott ENTERPRISE .. it's just that bad.
Monday, September 27, 2004 10:57 AM
DESANGRO
Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: Even more ... er, worse - this model of Fanboy pandering only encourages crap shows like SG-1 or Babylon 5 (which aren't horrific like ENT but are just as boring... if written competently, and that's not saying much). . . . I want shows like Firefly!!!
Monday, September 27, 2004 3:30 PM
JEST
Monday, September 27, 2004 4:06 PM
DANFAN
Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: Lately, T'Pol has inexplicably decided that wearing a silly cat suit isn't enough to degrade herself so she has become a sort of ships whore by fucking the engineer... again for no apparent reason.
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:42 AM
NEUTRINOLAD
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:15 AM
GHOULMAN
Quote:Originally posted by DeSangro: Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: Even more ... er, worse - this model of Fanboy pandering only encourages crap shows like SG-1 or Babylon 5 (which aren't horrific like ENT but are just as boring... if written competently, and that's not saying much). . . . I want shows like Firefly!!! How is Babylon 5 a bad show? I think that it's just as good as Firefly, albeit in a different way. The main characters in it have solid moral values, stand up against tyranny (no matter the cost!), and the show teaches that ideas, opinions, prejudices, and lies can have serious consequences. It is as meanful a message, in my humble opinion, as anything Firefly has given us.
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Jest: Here is my two cents worth. I've always found it very hard to respect anyone who has a "This show sucks and no other opinion matters". Likewise, the "This show is wonderful and no other opinion matters" doesn't win points with me either.
Quote:I'm a woman of very marked opinions, but I can still manage that huge leap of logic to think "Gee. This person is not a clone of me. And - hey! That's alright."
Quote:(Though, then I have to get over being disappointed that I don't have a clone, but that's another thread).
Quote:I don't watch Enterprise. Why? I'll be honest -> She-Who-Defies-Gravity-with-Pointy-Ears offends my sensibilities about what Vulcans should be. Its okay if you love her to death. I just miss the old Spock mode of Vulcanism.
Quote:Now - am I a fan girl? I haven't collected anything, I have no desire to collect and while I find threads about Picard vs. Kirk interesting, I don't participate.
Quote:But you know what? I can like a series, like the ideals it held once upon a time, and not be this Dark-Geek-Fan that He-Whom-I-Will-Not-Name seems to think is beneath him. I ain' beneath you, baby. You should be so lucky ;)
Quote:My point? I don't care what you think about a series, idea, or point so much. What matters is that you have thought it through and find it to hold up for you. Don't get me wrong. I believe whole heartedly in ultimate truth and the concrete nature of reality. A dog is not a cat and a cat is not a machine gun. But truth is something much more powerful than any of us. Someone who is searching will find it. So the responsibility is to search. And, of course, don't hinder others searching by being elitest and combative.If the goal is discussion for enlightenment....You don't get that by pointing to a group of people and insulting their intelligence.
Quote:See - that's a lot like racism. :)
Quote:This is all, of course, my most humble and modest opinion.
Quote:(As for the spelling errors and such? I apologize for those it will inevitably grate upon. But I'm writing in notepad and trying to do a hundred things at once. I don't have time to run for my dictionary and, yes, I am a bad speller.)
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by danfan: Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: Lately, T'Pol has inexplicably decided that wearing a silly cat suit isn't enough to degrade herself so she has become a sort of ships whore by fucking the engineer... again for no apparent reason. I've actually seen a fair amount of interesting debate about message vs. entertainment in this thread (in between the irritation many have felt over the tone and delivery). But the claim that I qouted above really startled me. That one sentence sounded more misogynistic than any element I've ever seen in the show. Here is my rationale... I think that all the alien characters in science fiction shows are intended to represent one or more human characteristics... when you imbue an alien character with a human trait, then you can explore that trait in a different light. Thus, I think that the Vulcans are just the embodiment of a few specific human traits. If you agree with that, then what human trait is T'Pol displaying in her interest in Tucker? I'd say its all about isolation, loneliness, and the desire to connect. GM refers to her as a "whore" who is "fucking the engineer." It's an unnecessarily ugly way to characterize a woman who choses a lover. She has only just now done that for the first time in the show's run. Doesn't seem whorelike to me. Very strange. Did it seem misogynistic to anyone else?
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by NeutrinoLad: Let me just hit the peaks and valleys as I see 'em. Ghoulman, you are reading way WAY too much into the story lines. Frankly, I don't think there's any such depth to any of the stories, much less a concerted effort at misogyny, fascism, or any other isms.
Quote:I think the problem is, as I've read, that Bragga believes they've told every Star Trek story that can be told (pretty sure that's close to the quote). Hell, if you really believe that, stop telling them and get out of the way so someone else can. BTW, I consider Bragga's sentiment complete bushwah.
Quote:I just do not give a gorram about the characters on Enterprise, or their situation. Who cares if the Earth gets blowed up real good? Daniels will just come back and twist time around, no imagination required. No real drama generated.
Quote:For the fella who made the snide aside about, "I've seen better comic books...", well so have I. A lot. In fact, I would estimate there are more comics worth reading than television shows worth watching about now. Try Small Gods, Powers, Planetary, GCPD, or Deus Ex Machina. And dig into the stacks for From Hell, Jinx, and Moonshadow.
Quote:Well hell, there's even this new fella, Joss Whedon, writing this book about a team, well a family really. The X-Men I think they're called? Been a damn fine read so far, for a rookie. Been a damn fine read for anybody.
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:57 AM
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Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:53 AM
Quote: But truth is something much more powerful than any of us. Someone who is searching will find it. So the responsibility is to search. And, of course, don't hinder others searching by being elitest and combative.If the goal is discussion for enlightenment....You don't get that by pointing to a group of people and insulting their intelligence. See - that's a lot like racism. :)
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by danfan: Brave try, Jest. You've done what you can... I was impressed with your response regarding whether fanboys deserve respect. Doesn't matter what identifiable group/culture people refer to. That's a sentiment that seems to get lost way too often anymore. It lifts my spirits to see it restated so simply.
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: And yet, not one point in my essay is brought up.
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:06 AM
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:41 AM
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:01 AM
COSMICFUGITIVE
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:21 AM
Friday, October 1, 2004 8:33 AM
Quote: Why no one else thinks that is a good thing to be mad about says far more about them than me.
Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman. "And considering the USA is a fascist state these days it's important for everyone to PUT DOWN THE FANBOY CRAP AND GRAB A LITTLE REALITY! TAKE THE RED PILL!!!"
Quote: "It's senseless to get annoyed with the world, for it isn't in the least bit bothered if you do." - MARCUS AURELIUS, Roman Caesar.
Friday, October 1, 2004 10:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by CosmicFugitive: It's true about the state of conventions. In the U.K, the numbers are going down slowly every year.
Quote:Although, Enterprise is set closer to our timeline and the show needs to reflect that. In the Trek universe, humankind went through centuries of war (WWIII as hinted in First Contact and the Eugenics war or something as hinted in the original series?), before they changed their ways and formed the Federation.
Quote:Enterprise is just part of that process showing that war's never good and that humans aren't perfect at dealing with it no matter what type of enemy they face.
Quote:Why no one else thinks that is a good thing to be mad about says far more about them than me. I'd really like to hear your opinion on this. Other examples of similarities to real life in Star Trek: The Borg were a representation of The Roman empire who assimilated other cultures into its own. The same might apply to early christianity when it assimilated the gods and holidays from paganism into its religeon.
Quote:In Voyager, the Kazon were a mild reference to the troubles that early American settlers had with Native Americans. Technology differences between the two tribes? Native Americans without shotguns = Kazon without phasers.
Quote:Sci -fi is just a new way of re-telling myths based on human truths. It's old stuff. The Gods have just been replace by man. Their powers and the way they used it have been replaced by technology. Instead of the land and sea (which were humankind's final frontier in ancient times)it's now space.
Quote:Bush ignored the will of those against the reasons for going to war in Iraq. It was wrong. When they protested, he ignored that percentage's opinions. He was so strong willed in his beliefs that nothing could change it. He thought he was right. Do you fall into that category?
Saturday, October 2, 2004 1:50 AM
Quote: "Is it bad that what she just said made perfect sense to me?" -MAL, 'Safe'
Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman "Ah, from my old Trek Memory Alpha I can tell you that the Eugenics War was in 1996, it was from this conflict (mostly in the Middle East region of Earth) that Khan (Noonien Singh) escaped in a "sleeper" spaceship. And the Federation was formed after the Romulan War, before that Earth was simply the "United Earth" and the United Earth Space Probe Agency was still the authority for Star Fleet in Kirks time.
Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman. Well, an accurate parallel to the Native slaughter by the white man wouldn't look nearly as pretty.
Quote: Originally posted by CosmicFugitive Bush ignored the will of those against the reasons for going to war in Iraq. It was wrong. When they protested, he ignored that percentage's opinions. He was so strong willed in his beliefs that nothing could change it. He thought he was right. Do you fall into that category?
Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman. Well, check out the "Real World Politics" forum here. My opinions about liars are pretty clear.
Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman. You certainly get interesting insights on your own.
Monday, October 4, 2004 3:56 AM
Quote:Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman "Ah, from my old Trek Memory Alpha I can tell you that the Eugenics War was in 1996, it was from this conflict (mostly in the Middle East region of Earth) that Khan (Noonien Singh) escaped in a "sleeper" spaceship. And the Federation was formed after the Romulan War, before that Earth was simply the "United Earth" and the United Earth Space Probe Agency was still the authority for Star Fleet in Kirks time. That's cool. I was misinformed. The old braincells aren't as sharp as they once were. I have to admit Rick Berman had destroyed the Trek universe a little. Is it true that Gene Roddenberry hated him?
Quote:I read that Enterprise will be touching on more of the original series and TNG? Do you see that as a good thing?
Quote:Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman. Well, an accurate parallel to the Native slaughter by the white man wouldn't look nearly as pretty. It wasn't a direct link, but that's how I interpreted it at first. Voyager was all about survival in new territory. The Kazon had the upperhand on the Voyager crew because they knew the territory, but they were technologically weaker - similar to the Native Americans and the early settlers. The Voyager crew were split into two factions too. They had to learn to co-exist with each other. It was funny that the second in command (Chakotay) had a Native American background. That's how I read it.
Quote:I don't understand why the show's racist or sexist. What do you mean? I'm counting on your comments here.
Quote:I read the link on Plato's cave. I agree. We still live in a world of bread and circuses.
Quote:This thread is a lot better. It's hard to disagree on much.
Quote:Quote:Originally posted by CosmicFugitive Bush ignored the will of those against the reasons for going to war in Iraq. It was wrong. When they protested, he ignored that percentage's opinions. He was so strong willed in his beliefs that nothing could change it. He thought he was right. Do you fall into that category? Originally posted by Ghoulman. Well, check out the "Real World Politics" forum here. My opinions about liars are pretty clear. You misunderstood me. A lot of what you're saying makes sense, but it's done in the wrong way - or people take it the wrong way. It comes across as a little extreme. That's not a criticism. Their behaviour can just be as bad too. Hell, it's been just as bad.
Quote:Originally posted by CosmicFugitive Bush ignored the will of those against the reasons for going to war in Iraq. It was wrong. When they protested, he ignored that percentage's opinions. He was so strong willed in his beliefs that nothing could change it. He thought he was right. Do you fall into that category? Originally posted by Ghoulman. Well, check out the "Real World Politics" forum here. My opinions about liars are pretty clear.
Quote:That's been part of the problem. There's been too many people with their thumbs up their a on the thread to bother about the bigger picture. (Plato's cave?) It's easy for both sides to hurl abuse at each other when they don't understand what they're both trying to say. It's just how the world works. It's good for people to be passionate about what they believe in too, and I respect that, but it's not a good look when they (both) don't listen to what others have to say. It becomes fascist. I'm no Dr Phil , but I'm learning from this. It's been a lot easier to read than the other stuff. Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman. You certainly get interesting insights on your own. I have a few interesting insights on stuff. There are things I believe that people get a little wigged out on. It's not their fault, 'cause they aren't aware of the facts. I respect their beliefs though. Although, I have a fairly sober approach to what I believe. I'm not just gonna believe stuff outright. That would be crazy. I try to keep it balanced. It's always about challenging those beliefs. It's easy to get bogged down in it too. Whenever I do, I just say: "It's all mad!" Thanks for taking the time to work through this, and it would be good to hear your thoughts..
Monday, October 4, 2004 4:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: Quote:Originally posted by DeSangro: Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: Even more ... er, worse - this model of Fanboy pandering only encourages crap shows like SG-1 or Babylon 5 (which aren't horrific like ENT but are just as boring... if written competently, and that's not saying much). . . . I want shows like Firefly!!! How is Babylon 5 a bad show? I think that it's just as good as Firefly, albeit in a different way. The main characters in it have solid moral values, stand up against tyranny (no matter the cost!), and the show teaches that ideas, opinions, prejudices, and lies can have serious consequences. It is as meanful a message, in my humble opinion, as anything Firefly has given us. My point isn't that is was a "bad" show. It was well written, though I thought the acting and production was crap. My only real complaint was that it was boring, with simplistic and predictable plots. Pretty much Star Trek style space opera all over again. Oh, don't start the whole B5 DS9 thing.
Monday, October 4, 2004 5:05 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman. Stupidity isn't an opinion. Ignorance and vindictive childishness isn't acceptable behavior. That goes for Fanboys and GWB. Defending greedy, fascistic, hateful, story telling isn't going to give one any points or respect from me. But I mixed this essay with the Fanboy culture that is, obviously, been a bane on Fandom for over 10 years. Yet, when I used this term in my essay it was the only thing people seemed to read. The ONLY thing. And they seem to have reacted violently. Yet, I'm the bad guy?
Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman Well, Voyager is a show that dropped it's premise right after the first show. After that, Bermans' orders were to make the show as bland as possible. Or I can only imagine. Ever notice how the Voyager actors barely talk about the show and hated the experience? It's because the show was crap on a stick. Voyager was the hint that showed there was a real moral problem developing with Star Trek - that is, the stories were lacking in even basic morality (Janeways tendancy to murder whole species)... then came the camel toe from Borg.
Quote: Originally posted by Ghoulman. That's because you are talking to me, talking about the topic in this thread, and not attacking me. Notice this Jest person has disappeared? Sock puppet. Th eoly purpose of that accout was to attack me. Childish and pathetic... something people love to accuse me of but the truth is they are such loosers they have to resort to smelly, Fanboy. tactics.
Quote: "All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third it is accepted as self evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860.
Monday, October 4, 2004 5:51 AM
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 4:08 AM
BOOKSWORD
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 5:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Booksword: Still I still think UPN should have dropped it and picked up Angel instead.
Quote:Stray thought, Captain Sisko - alliance or browncoat ? Maybe should start a thread ...
Thursday, October 7, 2004 9:47 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Quote:.. "It would be different if the ratings-and-quality-deprived Enterprise had been saved by some sudden, mass outpouring of fan support, as happened with Sci Fi's so-far superior Farscape. But no. Enterprise plods on, despite overwhelming national disinterest, simply because Paramount is determined to keep the Star Trek name in front of the public. And never mind how much damage this dull, misbegotten enterprise does to the franchise." ... "No need for extermination camps," the alien says in one of the most cringe-worthy scenes of the new season. .
Friday, October 8, 2004 11:57 AM
LJC
Friday, October 8, 2004 1:45 PM
CLEANER
Friday, October 8, 2004 11:22 PM
METROPOLIS
Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:06 PM
AX
Quote:Since ENTERPRISE began it has been hailed as being the very worst Star Trek ever done... and after Voyager that's quite an accomplishment. Now, after three seasons of fascistic, racist, and horrifically mysoginistic story lines the TV viewing public, who avoided this show like dog shit on the sidewalk, will get more.
Quote: No one cares for the material except a very, very, smelly and small number of Fan boy freaks. You know... the kind who have no life but fetishizing dolls and other 'collectibles'. Forget those who appreciated the intricate and smart stories from the original series 40 years ago... those people are looong gone.
Quote:Notice how popular shows (can we think of one? Hmm... something by that Joss guy) get the shaft while "franchises" get perpetuated as if they deserve too. The lesson being that a brand name is far, far, more important than a good show.
Quote:Notice how the protagonist, Capt. Archer, is the son of a "great man" who was held back by the (liberal) Vulcans.
Quote:As the show progresses, Archer becomes increasingly more angry and with a terrorist attack on Earth by an alien race he agrees to "do what it takes" to ... well, the actual goals aren't defined. Stop the bad guys? Sound familiar? Propoganda is not what I watch Star Trek for let alone a soft sell for the War in Iraq. It's become painfully obvious that Enterprise means to present the 'War against Islam" as a great adventure. Sick.
Quote:Then, just to undermine the characters rather like on Voyager... soldiers are brought into the show to "solve the problem". Enterprise just failed first year English... sad.
Quote:Looking at the original Trek compared to ENTERPRISE one has to wonder why in 1965 they had a multi-racial show that portrayed a ship full of different people while today they can't even give the one black guy on the show lines. The producers lack of giving a shit or even basic morals becomes more apparent. There is an asian girl who is portrayed rather like all women on Enterprise; a weak willed child who's job is so unimportant the stories forgot about her main skill early on. And just when you thought you'd seen the main characters turned into put upon tokens Enterprise will come along with an ep about fundamentalist suicide bombers that deserves an award for being the most racist and ignorant story put on TV in some years.
Quote:If this weren't bad enough I can't leave without bringing up the horrifically mysoginistic undertone of Enterprise that is personified by the character T'pol. Even from the first show we see a woman who is attacked by Archer and yet she is drawn to him like a battered wife (and is a psychology T'Pol demonstrates consistantly. I think it's the producers true feelings about women. Scary). Make sense? Only to certain sexually twisted fanboy writers. Anyho', this has continued and is sure to keep on going. Lately, T'Pol has inexplicably decided that wearing a silly cat suit isn't enough to degrade herself so she has become a sort of ships whore by fucking the engineer... again for no apparent reason.
Quote:If you are wondering why Sci-Fi, that is... GOOD Sci-Fi is so rare it's because tptb don't want to pay a wonderful creator like Joss - they just want rehashed crap to sell fanboys fetish objects (Oh that coveted demographic). The days of trying to tell people to watch Star Trek (because it's good) are over. Worse, Enterprises' pro-war message is a complete betrayal of the shows past.
Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:43 PM
GINOBIFFARONI
Monday, October 11, 2004 9:04 AM
CAPTAINCDC
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Ax: Grrr....leave my show alone. If you don't like it--cool. But do you really have to stir up an entire campaign against it? I don't think so. I think that's just a little bit spiteful--and it irks me.
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:08 PM
CREVANREAVER
Thursday, October 14, 2004 2:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by CrevanReaver: You guys might find this interesting: The demise of Star Trek is greatly exaggerated.
Quote: I always get a kick when rumors are stated as fact. Today I happen to stumble across an article posted by SciFiUniverse that claims that Star Trek may be cut down to14 episodes due to the poor ratings that the season opener received. I must say that speculation is not based on any facts.
Quote:As of today the 10th episode is almost completed and the episodes that Brent Spiner will guest star in will be one of the best that Trek has had in years, trust me I have already seen them. The studio is firmly behind Enterprise and we will see the completed season.
Quote:Negotiations to have William "Capt. Kirk" Shatner return to Star Trek are still being actively pursued and insiders believe that it is almost a done deal. The studios would not still be pursuing Shatner if there was any doubts about the season.
Quote:With Manny Coto now at the helm Enterprise will see it's best episodes thus far. To all the Trekkers out there be patient and you will be greatly surprised. Star Trek Enterprise can be seen on its new time slot on Friday nights. Check your local listings. Author: Robert Sanchez http://www.iesb.net/tv/tv101304.htm
Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:45 AM
Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:41 AM
CHANNAIN
i DO aim to misbehave
Quote:Originally posted by CrevanReaver: Negotiations to have William "Capt. Kirk" Shatner return to Star Trek are still being actively pursued and insiders believe that it is almost a done deal. The studios would not still be pursuing Shatner if there was any doubts about the season. With Manny Coto now at the helm Enterprise will see it's best episodes thus far. To all the Trekkers out there be patient and you will be greatly surprised.
Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:22 PM
THEPLAGUE
Saturday, January 1, 2005 3:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Channain: I did finally give up on this after T'Pol married what's his name and I realized the writers had copped out AGAIN!
Sunday, January 2, 2005 4:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by theplague: Whoa, Enterprise still exists? I thought it would've been culled off by now. Does it still have that atrocious 80's power ballad as the theme song? ------------------------------- Are these our lives? NNNOOOOOO!!!
Sunday, January 2, 2005 7:59 AM
Sunday, January 2, 2005 2:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Ax: Just a quick question--how do you define 'cop-out'? Because I've always used it to mean taking the easy way out. Now, assuming you mostly agree with that definition, which is the easier road for the writers: 1)Having T'Pol marry a character not a part of the main cast, and thus complicating her relationship with Trip. or 2)Having Trip give a big long cliched speech that stops her from marrying this man, and thus opening up a relationship between the two.
Monday, January 3, 2005 11:57 AM
Quote:No, when I wrote that the writers had copped out, I meant they were following the ST:TNG pattern. HEAVEN forbid there should be a relationship on board ship. Of course now T'Pol is Starfleet, so there's regulations to consider, but then again, Starfleet isn't the Air Force, and has been known to be a little lax in that regard, hasn't it?
Monday, January 3, 2005 12:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Ax: Ahh...I gotcha. I would say though, that on the two other Star Trek shows between TNG and Ent there hasn't really been this problem. On DS9 Worf marries Dax, and Odo and Kira eventually got together. And on Voyager Tom and B'Elanna got married. So I don't know if you can really claim there's any real pattern going on.
Quote: On the other hand I can understand liking Trip, as he's my fav character (along with Phlox, of course). I guess I personally just find the story more interesting if Trip and T'Pol are kept apart. However, I'm not certain that you won't ever get to see them together. Just not yet.
Monday, January 24, 2005 4:26 AM
PANIC
Monday, January 24, 2005 10:10 AM
FARSCAPEPKWARS
Quote:Originally posted by Ax: Quote:No, when I wrote that the writers had copped out, I meant they were following the ST:TNG pattern. HEAVEN forbid there should be a relationship on board ship. Of course now T'Pol is Starfleet, so there's regulations to consider, but then again, Starfleet isn't the Air Force, and has been known to be a little lax in that regard, hasn't it? Ahh...I gotcha. I would say though, that on the two other Star Trek shows between TNG and Ent there hasn't really been this problem. On DS9 Worf marries Dax, and Odo and Kira eventually got together. And on Voyager Tom and B'Elanna got married. So I don't know if you can really claim there's any real pattern going on. On the other hand I can understand liking Trip, as he's my fav character (along with Phlox, of course). I guess I personally just find the story more interesting if Trip and T'Pol are kept apart. However, I'm not certain that you won't ever get to see them together. Just not yet. "I'm so tired of days that feel like the nights." Something Corporate
Quote:SFX magazine Christmas 2004 has a big interview with Jolene Blalock, in which she talks about Enterprise and her feelings about it with impressive honesty. I've never heard someone in an ongoing show let rip like this *cough*notevenRobertBeltran*cough*. On the plus side, she really likes Manny Coto's work, and thinks he's making the changes that need to be made: "... what's interesting is that I opened the first script of the fourth season ... and it was good! And that was weird! Then I got the second script - and it was good too!" But she doesn't hold back about the stuff she's been unhappy with previously. When SFX mention that some of the semi-nudity and "Vulcan neuropressure" seems a little, uh "... unecessary", she replies: "I agree. It was. You can't substitute tits and ass for good storytelling. You can have both, but you can't substitute one for the other, because the audience is not stupid. You can't just throw in frivolous, uncharacteristic ... well, bull and think it's gonna help the ratings. Because that's not our audience. I'd like to appeal to their intellect. I mean, God forbid we inspire the question, 'What if?' 'What if we travelled in space?' 'What if we met other species?' 'What if?' So it has been frustrating for me. But I don't have any say in it." "If you can't find consistency in your character, then it's a transparent character, and that's very tough, because it turns out that you are a different person from episode to episode. And it's not fair, because I don't know what to count on!" When asked if she flagged up her concerns with the show's creators: "Absolutely! Well ... I did at first. Now, I've got to the point where I raise my hands. I wave my little white flag!" On the positive changes in the show: "It's bizarre that all of this is happening in our last season. Unfortunately, it takes people upstairs to turn their heads to a distraction in order for others to come in and freshen the concept and make the show good ..." " ... I mean, you're talking about a show where the captain doesn't sweat! T'Pol's hair doesn't move - even in battle! And if it does, we reshoot it. We don't bleed here, and nobody dies. Give me a break! And we're all-knowing. Where's the risk? Where is the danger? Where's drama? Where's the challenge? Where's the story? Give me a break, I'm bored!" Character consistency: "You can't take T'Pol and say 'Okay, you're a Vulcan' and take away the Vulcan characteristics. You might as well clip the ears! For example, eating food with their hands - they don't do that! And yet they'll throw in episodes where she's eating popcorn, and I'll say, 'Can I use a napkin? How can I ...'" Jolene cuts herself off in the booming, uncaring voice of The Man. "'No! Use your hands!'" Not very logical, say SFX: "It's not, but that's not what they care about. They care about ... " Jolene sighs. "I don't know what they care about. But y'know ... I'm resigned." On why she cares so much: "... being a part of the Star Trek legacy is very important to me. It deserves a bit of respect. You can't just crap on it! It means something." And despite her faith in Manny Coto's work, she seems to believe it's too late and this will be the last season: "I think this will be our last season. I do. You can feel it. And after this show is over it's gonna be the first time in 17 years that Star Trek isn't on television. I don't know how people feel about that, but I know I'm affected by that thought. But I'd rather let it go than let it die a slow death. It deserves the respect it's due, and if we can't do that ... then let it go."
Quote:The Trek Report: Beam Me Up, Beam Me Down Is Paramount trying to hide Enterprise? January 13, 2005 - Is Paramount Trying to Silence Early Enterprise Reviews? It hasn't been much of a secret that Enterprise feeds a day early to networks that run the series in Canada and that a number of fans who own satellite dishes have been able to view that feed. Until fairly recently, most television series that were produced by US studios and were also purchased for broadcast in Canada had early feeds like this. That was before the entertainment industry's latest scapegoat for everything from bad box office returns for bad movies to sliding ratings for mediocre television series: Internet ..... Coto talks to issue 125 of SFX magazine, Question : You must feel like the kid who's been handed the keys to the sweet shop. The only problem is - will the shop get shut down ? Coto : Well, it's always possible. It's the fourth year of the show and who knows ? Question : Does it feel like a terrible burden of responsibility ? Coto : Actually, there's very little. I think a lot of people are expecting it to end this year. If it does end, then that's what everybody expected, and if it doesn't, it's a pleasant surprise. So I don't really feel that much responsibility. It's not about 'saving it'; it's about doing a great season. And we can do a great season and people still might not watch ! A lot of great shows get cancelled. It's a lot of factors, it's not just putting on a great show. But we'll start with that and hope for the best SFX mag out in the UK, few excerpts from brief interview found on trek web
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