I predict John Carter will be the new Avatar! by chrisisall

I so can't wait for it...

2012... I *hope* the world don't end FIRST!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 12:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Sorry, not geeky enough to care.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 12:38 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

Some Folk permaybehaps just don't get Edgar Rice Burooughs ! Too bad , I always enjoyed the Tarzan books immensely...

Sounds kinda Space-Westerny , don'tcha think ?

'Synopsis: A damaged civil war veteran finds himself mysteriously transported to Mars where his involvements
with warring races of the dying planet force him to rediscover his humanity.'

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BrentSprecher/news/?a=12602

http://www.maxim.com/girls/todays-girl/79082/lynn-collins.html

Hmmm , Martian Princess ! Sapor Amo Castor , Gustatus Similis Cattus Ree-oww !

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 12:47 PM

I just hope they don't try to make it all serious n stuff, that would demean it, much like the original Conan, Army of Darkness, or Battle Beyond the Stars, it just doesn't work without the large ham, side order of cheese.

Keep your drama, gimme HIGH ADVENTURE!
*hums Conan theme*

-F

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 12:56 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

Yeah , not too serious...

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:00 PM

WHOZIT

I had to go to wikipedia to find "John Carter", my guess is no. I predict that "The Zit" will be the next HUGE thing. "The Zit" be will the next $ Bazillion fick.

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:56 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I just hope they don't try to make it all serious n stuff

Not much chance, given the film-making climate. I predict funny/serious a' la Sherlock Holmes.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:25 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Not much chance, given the film-making climate. I predict funny/serious a' la Sherlock Holmes.

I'm just hoping they don't go all moralistic and preachy. That would ruin what could be a good adventure movie.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 3:54 AM

BIGRICHARD

My Guide of "What you need to know to get you excited about John Carter of Mars..."

1. It's being directed by Andrew Stanton (Pixar's Wall E, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Life)

2. The score will be composed by Michael Giacchino (Lost, Star Trek, Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Up!)

3. The script will be written by Stanton and author Michael Chabon (Mysteries of Pittsburgh, Wonder Boys and The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, which won him a Pulitzer Prize.)

4. The cast includes the following; Mark Strong, Willem Dafoe, Dominic West, Lynn Collins, Bryan Cranston, James Purefoy, Thomas Haden Church, Samantha Morton.

And finally, will share this quote from an interview with Mark Strong...

Cinematical: How has your experience been on John Carter of Mars?

Strong: It's an amazing experience. It's proving to be a fascinating jigsaw, and each moment, each line almost, fits into this vast plan that Andrew has, and he's been working on it for years. You have to have faith; you have to go in and do your stuff, because your piece of the jigsaw allows him to complete the puzzle, so I'm really enjoying it. It's a fascinating process, and I've still got quite a lot to go I'm filming for three months, the whole of March and then I've got a week or two in April, and then I'm out to Utah for a few days. So there's still plenty to go. We're right in the middle of it, but I find it fascinating. Last week I was performing in a massive warehouse with 400 extras on this floating platform in the middle of a battle between two opposing tribes, and the sequence took two or three weeks for an incredible four-and-a-half-minute sequence. It's amazing.

Do I think this will be exactly like the book?
No.
Am I excited for this?
Oh hells yeah.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 5:34 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by BigRichard:
My Guide of "What you need to know to get you excited about John Carter of Mars..."

1. It's being directed by Andrew Stanton (Pixar's Wall E, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Life)

2. The score will be composed by Michael Giacchino (Lost, Star Trek, Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Up!)

3. The script will be written by Stanton and author Michael Chabon (Mysteries of Pittsburgh, Wonder Boys and The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, which won him a Pulitzer Prize.)

4. The cast includes the following; Mark Strong, Willem Dafoe, Dominic West, Lynn Collins, Bryan Cranston, James Purefoy, Thomas Haden Church, Samantha Morton.

So, Hollywood pablum then.

I loved the books and was young enough when I read them that I have an unfortunate, sentimental attachment to them. It's almost as bad as some of those Tekkie/er folk who can't bare to see Lucas do what he's done to his own stories. At least I recognize it. It still means I'm getting ready for a big perfunctory, Blockbuster By-The-Numbers, Hollywood style disappointment.

I disagree with the cheese and humor - there's such a high demand for suspension of disbelief with this material that if you add Funny you'll end up closer to Ice Pirates and self-parody, or some of the lesser bits of LOTR. Speaking of which, LOTR would be the tone I'd shoot for; it's fantastical to us but it needs to be very real to the actors/characters to work. imho

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 7:00 AM

Oh come on, Ice Pirates ROCKED and you know it!
Guilty pleasures abound in the B-movie section...

Actually I am hoping for something similar in tone to the original Conan movie, I've always been partial to the soundtrack.

I just picked up Conan for the Xbox 360 for ten bucks and happen to be reveling in the carnage, not to mention the amount of smack he talks in the cutscenes, VERY true to the early novels.

(and yes, it's almost as awesome as it looks!)
So I am indeed kinda hopin the movie stays true to the pulp roots of the story, but as you say, too likely to be typical hollywood pablum.

At least they didn't hand it off to Uwe Boll...
*twitch*

-F

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:01 AM

Metal pasties?

Metal pasties.

METAL ******' PASTIES. In leopard print.

*brain broken*

(Don't worry, it happens a lot. I'll be good as new... Oh. Now, I guess.)

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:22 AM

Frem: I dunno if you play MMORPGs at all, probably not because you wouldn't have much time for kicking ass and giving cops and feds the finger, but Age of Conan has a... kinda unsavoury element you might want to watch out for. >_> Just FYI. You might not mind the gore, but you might not like the intentional objectification of women that the whole "nude model" feature they implemented can cause. Though technically the male models have it too, but... yeah.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 11:43 AM

Well, Conans objectification is so over the top I just can't take it seriously so it comes off as funny, especially when they start playing along with him to stroke his ego and talk him into shit against his better judgement, such as he has...

And yeah, the time lack thing is kind of a deterrent to playing MMOs, but I do play a couple free ones here and there, but they're really cutesy ones cause when you deal with ugly all day, well...

When I *am* in a mood for that sorta thing I just fire up GTA:San Andreas, go downtown and KILL EVERYBODY - that's quite, quite satisfying it is.

-F

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 11:47 AM

Oh! Do you play Mabinogi? Back when I had free space on my computer, I LOVED Maginogi. The battle system is less about your level, and more about how well you can anticipate your enemies and use your attacks in response. That, plus you can write and play your own music in game, and you can also get pets you can play as separately from your character.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Metal pasties?

Metal pasties.

Yeah. I prefer straight nudity.
But, PG13- what can ya do?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:16 PM

Nudity might be better because at least then it might be slightly artistic. Metal pasties just makes the women more objectified fantasy/sci-fi erotica, it's like the next step up from a chainmail bikini in tackiness and complete nonfunctionality of wardrobe. Leopard metal pastie princess doesn't strike me as "Amazonian" but rather "ornamental, decorative, and useless" which only furthers anti-female stereotypes in the genre.

The damn slave chain hanging from her collar doesn't help matters.

I mean, whoever drew that, do you think they were intending to draw attention to the sadness and despair in her face, or the overly-sexualized look of her body? And then, even more troubling, is her crying and slave collar supposed to APPEAL on some level to some abuse fetish?

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Nudity might be better because at least then it might be slightly artistic. Metal pasties just makes the women more objectified fantasy/sci-fi erotica, it's like the next step up from a chainmail bikini

The guys in the comic I read based on it wore as little, measured in inches of fabric. I would like to see sexual objectification equally distributed between the beautiful males AND females.
EQUALITY NOW!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

I mean, whoever drew that, do you think they were intending to draw attention to the sadness and despair in her face, or the overly-sexualized look of her body? And then, even more troubling, is her crying and slave collar supposed to APPEAL on some level to some abuse fetish?

Select to view spoiler:

She starts out as a slave & potential execution before John Carter frees her by killing the due that hit her in the courtroom;

and no one wears much clothes on Mars- it too warm.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:28 PM

Okay then. It's still kinda troublesome, you understand. That picture doesn't scream "feel my pain and abuse" like an emaciated imprisoned slave on death row would suggest. It instead says "lust over me and my unbelievable body that's perfect and desirable despite all I've been through."

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:32 PM

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The guys in the comic I read based on it wore as little, measured in inches of fabric. I would like to see sexual objectification equally distributed between the beautiful males AND females.
EQUALITY NOW!!!!

Sure. Functional clothing for everyone.

I'm just offended by how sexualized the woman here seems to be by it, to the detriment of her backstory and emotions.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Okay then. It's still kinda troublesome, you understand. That picture doesn't scream "feel my pain and abuse" like an emaciated imprisoned slave on death row would suggest. It instead says "lust over me and my unbelievable body that's perfect and desirable despite all I've been through."

Well, I didn't post it, and I wouldn't have because Deejah is TOO voluptuous & John is TOOOOO muscular IMO. There's a bit of a food shortage on Mars at that point.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

I'm just offended by how sexualized the woman here seems to be by it, to the detriment of her backstory and emotions.

In the book she was totally naked. in fact, most but the warriors were.

There will be coverage in the movie though, PG13, remember?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:39 PM

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:40 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Oh come on, Ice Pirates ROCKED and you know it!
Guilty pleasures abound in the B-movie section...

Indeed, it did rocketh much, saw it 5 times I did. BUT, it wasn't trying to be much - I have hopes for JC of Mars.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:43 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:

I'm just offended by how sexualized the woman here seems to be by it, to the detriment of her backstory and emotions.
In the book she was totally naked. in fact, most but the warriors were.

There will be coverage in the movie though, PG13, remember?

The laughing Chrisisall

Yeah, looks like plenty of sexual objectification for both sexes - maybe we should just enjoy it?

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:48 PM

It's not just the clothing, but how it's used. Even in that next picture posted above, the guy is armed and striking a heroic pose, and the girl is behind him and seeming to recoil, like a damsel in distress, and you tell me now, as I suspected, that she becomes one of the warriors and that she is supposed to be amazonian.

A loincloth may expose a lot of flesh on the guys, but it doesn't have the overt meaning that pasties and a slave collar do.

I can see I'm not making any headway here, so, yes, I'll leave you to your enjoyment.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 1:08 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's not just the clothing, but how it's used. Even in that next picture posted above, the guy is armed and striking a heroic pose, and the girl is behind him and seeming to recoil, like a damsel in distress

She IS!!! On Mars, a woman is no match for Green Men; John retains all his Earthly strength being raised on a planet with a higher gravity, therefore he IS a heroic figure on that planet!!!
Byte- please read the first novel at least before passing judgement. Sure, lusty pulp fiction, but does it bother you when Tarzan's Jane wears a skin toga or bikini in the movies?

It's all in fun, M'lady!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 1:12 PM

Is THIS a little better?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 1:50 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

A loincloth may expose a lot of flesh on the guys, but it doesn't have the overt meaning that pasties and a slave collar do.

Okay. Be like that.
You must absolutely *HATE* Avatar for it's naked *pussycat* vibe...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:07 PM

Actually... Yeah.

And I'm not overly fond of Tarzan and Jane, either. The mentality towards women in some of these older fictional franchises is an unfortunate remnant of other times. If they want women to like these things, then they ought to try to update them. But they don't, so they're turning away 50% of their potential consumer base. Sure, it's their choice, and you guys are free to consume whatever media you want to, but don't expect women to like demeaning portrayals of their gender unless it's parody.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:10 PM

Did you hate Return of the Jedi for Princess Leia's Deejah Thoris-like outfit?

Or was it the Ewoks???

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:15 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
demeaning portrayals of their gender

WHAT???

Strong, beautiful & smart???

I guess I should be happy that Kirk was weak, ugly & dumb then.
And that he didn't get his shirt torn off him in lots of episodes.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:25 PM

Yes, because relying on a male to fight all their battles is such a sign of strength.

Smarts I'll give you, maybe, but that's demeaning to men too, to have it depicted that all these smart women are manipulating the dumb men.

But then, if they're NOT manipulating the men, then the women are too stupid to stay out of trouble and again need the men to save them. There's no winning. No equality for EITHER side, no matter which way you slice it. It's very unfair for both.

And there are unfortunate implications if the woman is expected to fall in love with the guy and reward him with sex in return for his help.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:56 PM

Okay. You win. Fantasy movies are worthless.
Stardust, Somewhere In Time, Star Wars, Lord Of The Rings-
any movie that show differences between the sexes strengths & weaknesses is garbage.

No, make that ALL movies.

Sorry Byte, I'm a relic. A brutish fossil, symbolic of a decayed era gratefully forgotten.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 3:14 PM

And strawmanning the opposition is a perfectly reasonable way to dismiss valid complaints.

No, fantasy and sci-fi are NOT worthless, but there ARE some stereotypes that could stand subversion. Scantily clad damsels in distress are one of them. It hurts and demeans the medium, because it makes its detractors have a harder time taking it seriously. It comes across as fetish fuel and using sex to sell, and distracts from the deeper themes that the medium is capable of.

OK, seriously, Chris. I know you're just trying to get my goat, and I actually didn't want to threadjack here and was going to leave you guys to enjoy in peace, because clearly there are fans here. I've tried to bow out once, and I'm going to do so again.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 3:21 PM

KIRKULES

Damsel in distress!

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 3:28 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
fetish fuel and using sex to sell, and distracts from the deeper themes that the medium is capable of.

Sex DOES sell!! Are there less than sexy peeps in most big movies? Princess Leia was covered & modest until Jedi, Megan Fox is WHY those idiot Transformer movies are blockbusters...
I'm sorry here, but men & women are just wired differently, it seems.
Hotgirls are WOW, whereas Hotguys are merely "cool, look at Hotboy. Yum."

Deeper themes are in the undercurrent of well made movies. The reality is that it gots to look good first & foremost to make back the millions, whatever else we get is extra.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Damsel in distress!

Please, don't HELP me here, Kirk!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 5:47 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Oh! Do you play Mabinogi? Back when I had free space on my computer, I LOVED Maginogi. The battle system is less about your level, and more about how well you can anticipate your enemies and use your attacks in response. That, plus you can write and play your own music in game, and you can also get pets you can play as separately from your character.

Interesting - imma look into it.

Currently messing around with Luna Online, and I still have Flyff around, but they're both a little too repetative and grindy for me - I've never really found an MMO that much appeals to me, City of Villains is a classic example of why heros shouldn't write villain storylines... I do have an interesting Character there, but it pales after a while.

The closest I've gotten is maybe Eve-Online, but it's set up to appeal to, and tremendously (and deliberately) unbalanced in favor of the very worst of griefer/scammer/scum, which wouldn't be so horrible if they hadn't loaded the game mechanics to more or less hand folks to that type on a plate all but defenseless - it makes it too easy for em, and leaves little room for entertainment other than that since most folk with any sense don't pay good money to be some griefers bitch over and over cause the game mechanics render them a helpless target.

So I mostly play Freelancer Discovery instead, when I have the time to spare.

But if you wanna set up some FF-Fan action in Mabi, I might be down for it, but I keep odd hours, mind.

-F

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 5:49 PM

Oh yes, and "damsels in distress" - well, there's an amusing dynamic between me and my ex, what with me playing to type (evil overlord) and HER playing to type (damsel in distress) which she *knows* I see right through, and the fact that she's willing to try to play me appeals to my inner trickster and winds up baiting me anyways - she knows all this, which is why she does it, but it is an amusing appeal-to-the-villain kinda trick.

-F

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:51 PM

HKCAVALIER

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
fetish fuel and using sex to sell, and distracts from the deeper themes that the medium is capable of.

Sex DOES sell!! Are there less than sexy peeps in most big movies? Princess Leia was covered & modest until Jedi, Megan Fox is WHY those idiot Transformer movies are blockbusters...
I'm sorry here, but men & women are just wired differently, it seems.
Hotgirls are WOW, whereas Hotguys are merely "cool, look at Hotboy. Yum."

Deeper themes are in the undercurrent of well made movies. The reality is that it gots to look good first & foremost to make back the millions, whatever else we get is extra.

Do I even dare?

Guess so.

The male obsession with physical "attractiveness" is really the severe male aversion to the male inner life. It's our subconscious that gets us involved with the opposite sex, not what she looks like. The more distracted we are by her looks, the less we care about our mommy issues and our low self esteem and a whole lot of other factors that are working, behind the scenes, to get us mixed up with this particular woman. The more obsessed we are with her outside, the less we ever learn about our own inside. It's not "the way we're wired," it's how we've learned to cope with the pain and isolation which our mothers routinely subject us to as male children in this culture. Boys aren't born with an aversion to crying, it is learned behavior, pure and simple. And guess who we blame?

Of course the suffering slave woman is hyper-sexualized, because if she weren't, the man would be called upon to feel something in response to the image of her suffering, and for the typically repressed man, that feeling is going to be some species of acute pain and then nobody buys anything.

Sex sells not because "it's what guys want," it sells because it's man's favorite method of covering up "what guys DON'T want," i.e.: to feel their loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness. Sex as anesthesia. Sex in the media doesn't take away our feelings of loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness, it merely obscures these feelings while keeping them in play and THAT is why we buy whatever the sex is selling: to fill the void. But guess what? The void doesn't get filled, so we buy more. And so it goes. Hyper-sexualized imagery is a cover, a means to an end. Wake up. You're being mind controlled and the reason it works is 'cause you want to be mind controlled, because the alternative is too frightening to contemplate.

Sure, a lovely physical body is lovely, but you are being played, my friend. And the species is suffering for it.

Ha ha! Sleep on it! You'll feel better in the morning! Deprogramming is fun!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 6:43 AM

EDIT: Oops, wrong thread. Sorry.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 7:07 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Nudity might be better because at least then it might be slightly artistic.

In a pg-13 Disney film.... don't hold your breath.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 3, 2010 7:12 AM

Yeah, I was referring to the comic book series that the images were apparently taken from.

Anyway, my part of the conversation has been split off from here, so you can all enjoy in peace. :)

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Monday, May 3, 2010 7:15 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
fetish fuel and using sex to sell, and distracts from the deeper themes that the medium is capable of.

Sex DOES sell!! Are there less than sexy peeps in most big movies? Princess Leia was covered & modest until Jedi, Megan Fox is WHY those idiot Transformer movies are blockbusters...
I'm sorry here, but men & women are just wired differently, it seems.
Hotgirls are WOW, whereas Hotguys are merely "cool, look at Hotboy. Yum."

I'll agree that sex does certainly sell - though I really doubt that the success of Transformers is solely down to Megan Fox and her assetts - if that were even marginally true Jennifer's Body (which features said assets a fair bit more) wouldn't have been a flop.

Also, I've read some studies (which I don't have links to off the top of my head - been a while) that basically say that, statistically speaking, women will go to a movie just for a hot guy (see: the success of any number of lousy films with Gerard Butler or Matthew Mcconaughey), men almost never go to a movie just for a hot woman (see: the failure of many female-led action/genre pictures with women such as Angelina Jolie and Charlize Theron).

Men will go for big FX and spectacle most of the time, but for the cheescake, we just resort to the internet.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 3, 2010 8:24 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:

Sex sells not because "it's what guys want," it sells because it's man's favorite method of covering up "what guys DON'T want," i.e.: to feel their loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness. Sex as anesthesia.

While there is much truth in this, a beautiful smile on Jane Seymour's lips just melted me at age 11, before I truly keyed into the idea of what sex was all about.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, May 3, 2010 8:26 AM