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I've never seen this show but it's been getting great buzz.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The intro to each show still fascinates me too. I like how, when introducing a new 'realm' or what ever, a different city appears. Is there an idiots guide to GoT ? I've peeked at the 'official' pages, but only briefly, and it seems a tad overwhelming, to a newb like myself.

For all the 'civility' of the kingdoms, there sure is a lot of violence and back stabbing that goes on, and with very little repercussion or legal reprisals. The 'because I said so' rule of law seems to be every much as common in the cities as it is in the wild.

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What I wish this series had was a complete set of maps.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Season 1 was a gem, as good as tv gets. Season 2 though... is slow rolling. I think plot logistics and writing have dropped + the producers/hbo have decided to double up on the nasty bits. Too bad that comes at the expensive of story telling time.

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Having not read the books, I'm both addicted and a tad lost w/ this series.

All the houses and different characters...reminds me a bit of DUNE. ( Another series of books I never read )

Anyways... gotta do me some catch up now. A few eps behind already.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Season 1 was a gem, as good as tv gets. Season 2 though... is slow rolling. I think plot logistics and writing have dropped + the producers/hbo have decided to double up on the nasty bits. Too bad that comes at the expensive of story telling time. I'm still hooked, and still enjoying the production quality, but it's yet to reach the same level as season 1. I did see a review that said the second half of season to was a cracker.

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Season 1 was a gem, as good as tv gets. Season 2 though... is slow rolling. I think plot logistics and writing have dropped + the producers/hbo have decided to double up on the nasty bits. Too bad that comes at the expensive of story telling time. I'm still hooked, and still enjoying the production quality, but it's yet to reach the same level as season 1. I did see a review that said the second half of season to was a cracker.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
It really could do with a bit less of the gratuitous sex, though; there are many times it just doesn't seem to add anything to the story or move anything ahead, it's just there because they can do it on HBO.

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Hmm, Ive yet to see episode 4, but the first 3 seemed to me to have less sex. Of course, I don't think of them as "nasty" so perhaps we have differing persepctives.

I also don't see how it comes at the expense of storytelling time. Every sex scene they've done has been there just to give some visual spice to an expository speech filling in some backstory or other detail. Thus the term "sexposition" coming into prominence. Never has any sex scene on that show been just about sex...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

It really could do with a bit less of the gratuitous sex, though; there are many times it just doesn't seem to add anything to the story or move anything ahead, it's just there because they can do it on HBO.

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Roz flashing her muff... Theon and his sister on horseback (godz!)... Little Finger wiping *something* off one of girl's faces... Joffrey's beating sex scene in ep 4 with what I'm sure the producers/writers want us to thing is a giant dildo that may be used for something else, we're relieved to hear him say, "beat her"... there's plenty of nasty that doesn't propel the story in my opinion. It's like others mention, people expect it from HBO and they can get away with it, "we want you to know your not watching network tv."

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Several of those are character building moments. And others are literally just tiny moments, seconds at best - which happen during other events. They're details that add to the whole Sexual, yes - but people are sexual animals, even in fantasy worlds.

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Roz flashing her muff... Theon and his sister on horseback (godz!)... Little Finger wiping *something* off one of girl's faces... Joffrey's beating sex scene in ep 4 with what I'm sure the producers/writers want us to thing is a giant dildo that may be used for something else, we're relieved to hear him say, "beat her"... there's plenty of nasty that doesn't propel the story in my opinion. It's like others mention, people expect it from HBO and they can get away with it, "we want you to know your not watching network tv."

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Several of those are character building moments. And others are literally just tiny moments, seconds at best - which happen during other events. They're details that add to the whole Sexual, yes - but people are sexual animals, even in fantasy worlds.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I've seen all 20 episodes and I think the show is very good. Emilia Clarke is mesmerizing. She's the main reason I watch the show.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I don't know if the opening credits have won Emmy awards or not, but they damned well should.

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I've seen all 20 episodes and I think the show is very good. Emilia Clarke is mesmerizing. She's the main reason I watch the show.

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One of the main draws for me as well. But Peter Dinklage does a fantastic job, as does Maisie Williams too.

Plus, there are a couple top notch sniveling villains who I can't wait to see get what's coming to them.

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What's going on here? I haven't seen a British Invasion like this since the 60's.

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Mostly all Brits on the show. I also learned last Sunday that Rick and Maggie on The Walking Dead are Brits too. What's going on here? I haven't seen a British Invasion like this since the 60's. Jolly good shows, more appropriately bloody good shows!

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I don't know if the opening credits have won Emmy awards or not, but they damned well should.

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Game of Thrones won the 2011 Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Main Title Design. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Emmy_Award_for_Outstanding_Main
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Director Angus Wall at Elastic in Santa Monica: "The project started with a conversation almost two years ago. Since the series takes place in a made-up world, we were tasked with creating a map to orient the viewer, similar to how the legend in fantasy books orients the reader. Fortunately, the book series' author, George RR Martin, created a series of 2D maps that we used as our foundation. we ended up creating four versions of the main title, each representing the locations visited in each individual episode.

"I really wanted to create something different. I also wanted to create something that felt like a real physical object, something that would have taken several man-years to build in the real world. I initially thought the map should be shaped like a bowl - so we couldn't see beyond the edges of it - but quickly realized we needed to go further and wrap it inside a sphere. It then made sense to light it from within (hence the astrolabe/sun structure at its center).

"Once the shape of the world was settled, it was a question of how many locations we wanted to show and how much detail the map should have. I wanted to reveal the key locations in a dramatic way, and we settled on having each major location grow out of the floor of the map and build itself mechanically. We referenced Leonardo da Vinci's machine designs for how these mechanical structures should look and operate. After several rounds of concept drawings, we created CG models and started to block out the sequence.

"There aren't any shortcuts to creating a world from scratch, so we ended up creating layers and layers of detail - so much that it's impossible to show all of it in 90 seconds. Hopefully you feel that when you watch. Technically that meant creating a mechanical language and sticking to it. It's a testament to everyone who worked on the project that there is such a granular sense of detail in the sequence."

Design by Elastic www.elastic.tv
VFX by A52 www.a52.com

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I finished the first book, am well started on the second, and have rewatched both seasons of the show thus far. I did not read the books before seeing the show, and I loved the show so much it made me want to read the books. So I bought "Game of Thrones", and it's *amazing*. It's fantastically amazingly unbelievably stupendous. And for the record, I hate swords-n-sorcery books. This one grabbed me immediately, and I could tell it was going to be better than the series. Well, not better, exactly, but different. Deeper.

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I hear ya, M4P - I rarely gush, and I just about never (Okay, maybe once in a generation) like the movie or TV show better than the book, but HBO really did nail it with this series.

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I have no idea where Martin is taking me, or where we're going to end up, but it's a hell of a fantastic ride so far!

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I've never read Tolkein. I admit it. I tried when I was 12, but threw the damned book across the room because I felt like even as a 12 year-old, he was patronizing with his writing style. It was like listening to Bobby Jindal give a speech, with undue emphasis placed on every word like it was extra-special or something.

And I actually tried to watch the LoTR movies, more than once I tried, and I cannot stomach them. They're just far too juvenile for me to get into.

There. I said it, and I'll likely be nailed to a cross of books for finally saying it out loud.

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Oh, and several people have told me that the books are just as full of gratuitous lascivious sex as the series (Game of Thrones, I mean, not those dreadful Hobbit books!), but frankly I'm just not seeing it. I'm not a prude by any means (more of a libertine, truth be told), but I think the show wouldn't lose a thing if people spent more time with more clothes on. I hear they're talking about naming close-cropped patch of pubes on the women "the King's Landing Strip" instead of the Brazilian.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I'm so glad it didn't get made into movies. It needs multiple seasons of episodes to handle all the intrigue and different characters and plots and settings.

I have heard people opine that Martin has no idea where he's going, . . . but I don't agree . . . I think he has a goal in sight. I have no idea what it is either, but there are threads that make sense...

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Showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss intend to adapt the entirety of the still incomplete A Song of Ice and Fire novel series, if HBO permits it. They envision the series to have a scope of some 80 hours, about eight seasons' worth of material. However, Benioff and Weiss have no intention of padding Game of Thrones out so as to wait for George R.R. Martin (who has taken up to six years to write an installment of A Song of Ice and Fire) to finish writing the last two novels. Knowing the broad outlines of Martin's intended ending for A Song of Ice and Fire, and concerned that extending Game of Thrones to ten seasons would kill its sense of momentum, they consider it possible (if not preferable) that the TV series ends before the last novel is published. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(TV_series)#Adaptation_sc
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:


Spoiler alert for anyone not through 2 seasons!

One example is the Melisandre, the red woman. She bugged me at first. But I'm seeing how her religion with the worship of fire and fear of darkness might be related to whatever is beyond the wall. Song of fire and ice: battle between dragons/ the red woman's god against the white walkers and whatever else is up there.

Not that I'm suggesting it's so simple. There are all kinds of complications with the different factions getting in the way of this main conflict, and those complications will likely be a bigger part of the story. But I see that main conflict underlying things. I think he's got a plan with it.

Even if not, the ride is so enjoyable!

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Should Martin die before his novels are finished, the show goes on, God & HBO willing.

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By the way, do any of them realize what Melisandre is and who she's working for with her "Lord of Light"?

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The question is, is there anyone alive who knows his real parentage?

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Said Kwicko: It's going to get kinda weird when Danaerys Targarian finds out that Jon Snow is her nephew. Rhaegar, Dany's oldest brother, fathered Jon Snow with Ned Stark's sister Lyanna.

OK, that's a very interesting idea. I don't know though, I'm pretty sure Ned is Jon's father. There's a whole thing about how he loved another woman before marrying Catelyn. But that could be a misdirection. Hmm. Even if it's not Rhaegar and Lyanna, I wonder if it could be Ned and some Targarian...

There have been some statements in the books as to the possible mother, I vaguely recall two of them, like characters who thought they knew but it was different women. Or they told stories which made me think - aha! Jon's mother! But I don't remember who exactly. I tend to read fast and not note these things. Next time I read through, I have to pay more attention!

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
So, are you against reading ahead with the books? Not trying to convince you either way, except to say they ROCK (some find them slow, but I loved all the detail) and it's really sucks not to be able to talk about all of it! None of my friends that I know of have read all 5, so I have to keep all this to myself. Eek! My head may explode!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Having not read the books, I'm both addicted and a tad lost w/ this series.

All the houses and different characters...reminds me a bit of DUNE. ( Another series of books I never read )

Anyways... gotta do me some catch up now. A few eps behind already.

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