smoking by laurel

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POSTED BY: LAUREL
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Sunday, January 16, 2005 7:43 AM

this has bugged me for years and i'm wondering if anybody else noticed it,

there's a big fuss made about how vampires don't breath and have no breath to do mouth to mouth yet they manage to smoke, how?

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Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:21 AM

REEQUEEN

They can still move their chest muscles, and simulate breathing. Also, moving smoke from mouth through nose does not require anything but the smoke.

I smoke, so I know these things.

(edited to add)

But, yes, you do have a point. The whole "not breathing" thing really falls down when you see Angel or Spike, or any other vampire really, panting after exertion. Kinda destroys the verisimilitude.

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Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:03 AM

STARPILOTGRAINGER

Quote:
Originally posted by ReeQueen:
They can still move their chest muscles, and simulate breathing. Also, moving smoke from mouth through nose does not require anything but the smoke.

I smoke, so I know these things.

(edited to add)

But, yes, you do have a point. The whole "not breathing" thing really falls down when you see Angel or Spike, or any other vampire really, panting after exertion. Kinda destroys the verisimilitude.

It's, uhm, an 'instinctual reaction of the body to exertion'. The vampires don't _need_ it, but it's hard-wired into our bodies that when we exert ourselves, we breath in heavily, so it still happens.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

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Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:07 AM

REEQUEEN

Oh! Great save!

I love the rationalization portion of the brain, it makes watching anything so much more enjoyable.

No, I'm not being entirely sarcastic, I'm sincere. Anything that helps me get over those lack-of-verisimilitude humps is helpful. Thank you.

(edited to add husband's contribution)

Frequently, vampires will pant or smoke, or produce other "live human" physical ticks, to seem more....alive.

Right on.

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Sunday, January 16, 2005 1:27 PM

DIETCOKE

That's right, even after you're dead you still need your smokes.

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Monday, January 17, 2005 2:45 AM

IDEFIX

the "it's a reflex" safe is a pretty good one I think.

what bugges me all the time is the vampires have no body heat thing. they always forget this and have someone touch or even kiss a vampire and don't know that he/she is a vampire.

I can get over shaking hands and not thinking much about room temperature hands although that is pretty much very cold, people usually have warmer hands even if they have 'cold hands'.
what I can't overlook is touching the face or arm, let alone kissing or sleeping with soemone and not knowing if they are a vampire or not.

like in the EP where Wes tried to stand in for Angel because Angel wasn't ther eor something. and this girl actually slept with him and supposedly knew about vampires and still managed to not get that Wes was NOT a vampire.

and if vampires can smoke they can also perform CPR, it's just about pumping air into someones lungs, no 'life-giving' necessary.

Idefix

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Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:10 AM

GORRAMREAVERS

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and if vampires can smoke they can also perform CPR, it's just about pumping air into someones lungs, no 'life-giving' necessary.

Idefix

How about at the end of 'Prophecy Girl' where Angel cant perform CPR on Buffy and Xander has to do it?
Probably just another inconsistency I think. Doesntg bother me much...its a TV show about vampires..ya know?

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Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:02 AM

EST120

Quote:
Originally posted by laurel:
this has bugged me for years and i'm wondering if anybody else noticed it,

there's a big fuss made about how vampires don't breath and have no breath to do mouth to mouth yet they manage to smoke, how?

actually, one of the things that really gets me is how vampires bleed. of course, if there is pressure in their vessels, any cut will cause them to bleed, but you would think that after years of fighting that there would be no blood left! of course, it could be the blood they drink that is flowing their their veins.

okay, i just logic-ed myself out of this post.

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Monday, February 21, 2005 12:43 PM

ZEEK

Oh yeah! Well somebody explain to me how Angel sucked that one lady's blood and then exhaled the smoke she had just inhaled. This was right when he first turned back into Angelus in Season 2.

I mean did he puncture her lungs with his fangs or something? Those would have to be pretty darn long fangs.

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Monday, February 21, 2005 2:41 PM

GROUNDED

This is a show set in a fantastical universe. Talking about the fact that vampires bleed when they have no circulation makes no sense - they're mythological creatures in the context of the show, animated by supernatural forces. If Joss wants them to bleed, they bleed.

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Sunday, February 27, 2005 12:32 PM

DIETCOKE

Hey, Laurel....you DO know that vampires AREN'T real.... ;)

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:58 AM

SERENE

Actually, we are real, we just don't tend to make a fuss about it...

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:40 AM

CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS

I am going to cast my vote with "reflex action." They are "breathing" but they don't need to. You could put them under water and their lungs might fill, but they wouldn't drown.

I've always thought of it as kind of a magicky-deal anyway. When Angel can't resusitate Buffy it has at least as much to do with him being dead as "not having breath:" he's not alive, so he can't directly resusitate someone like that. Flimsy excuse, I know, but what are you gonna do?

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:05 PM

SERENE

Don't underestimate the fact that Angel is kinda dumb, too. I mean, it's entirely possible that he *could* resusitate someone but just got his own limitations mixed up.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:09 PM

SIGMANUNKI

I believe that in Jews texts the word for breath is also life. Also, since this is a fantasy world, it probably is that one can only return life if they have it (similarly from the above).

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