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Here's something I found really deep compared to the ending. Remember when they all go into the school and go their separate ways and only four people are left in the hallway. Who are they? The only four characters left from EPISODE ONE! I found it very symbolic expecially when they started talking.

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Okay, what was up with Spike's dream? I didn't hear it very well. It kinda sounded like something about drowning in footwear? That can't be right.

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Originally posted by Tolmek:
Nice ending. Buffy got something she's always wanted. She's no longer alone. Though, I suspect it will only be that way until the last one of those awakened by Willow's magicking dies. Then, the next will awaken and the pattern begins anew with only one Slayer.

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Originally posted by Tolmek:
Nice ending. Buffy got something she's always wanted. She's no longer alone. Though, I suspect it will only be that way until the last one of those awakened by Willow's magicking dies. Then, the next will awaken and the pattern begins anew with only one Slayer.

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I have to rewatch it to be sure, but from the way they were talking at the end, it sounds as if Willow permanently changed the Slayer legacy. From now on, there are no potential Slayers. All future Chosen will be full Slayers from the moment they're ... well, chosen, whenever that occurs. Birth, puberty, whatever.

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Nice ending. Buffy got something she's always wanted. She's no longer alone. Though, I suspect it will only be that way until the last one of those awakened by Willow's magicking dies. Then, the next will awaken and the pattern begins anew with only one Slayer.

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I have to rewatch it to be sure, but from the way they were talking at the end, it sounds as if Willow permanently changed the Slayer legacy. From now on, there are no potential Slayers. All future Chosen will be full Slayers from the moment they're ... well, chosen, whenever that occurs. Birth, puberty, whatever.

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So, where does that put "Fray"? It was my understanding there was only the one Slayer in that series. I could be wrong. I haven't read much of it.

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And, what a way to end a series. Just eradicate the place where it happened. "There's another one in Cleveland. Smaller, though."

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Originally posted by SerenityValley:
Whoa hey now, where did you hear about this Fray person? This slips my memory. Um, explain?

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"You know, Vir, you have what the Earthers call a 'negative personality'."
"No I don't."
"There, you see?"

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"Fray" is a comic book about a slayer several hundred years in the future in a time when there have been no vampires (and no slayers) in ages.

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
I think that there was a mention that it was at least 100s of slayers now. I think that a big thing in angel could be dealing with the slayers. Not only is there nothing whatsoever that says that a slayer must be good, but there is also evidence that as tie has gone on slayers have degraded.

Look at Spike, first slayer he ate, all business, did her job, did it well. Next one, more like Buffy, more arrogant, more of a superiority trait in the attitude (I’m better than you are [insert childish taunting sounds.]) Buffy, she’s fairly arrogant, acts like it’s all a game, plays with her prey before she kills it (when was the last time she wasn’t sarcastic and insulting when killing an ordinary vampire?) Faith, not far beyond Buffy when she was at her worst, she just treated everyone the way Buffy treated the enemy, like they were less weaker (this is true) and that gave her the right to manipulate and even kill them (debatable, but I say no.)

What we do know about the slayers is that they do have blood lust, and they are quite strong. So now we have somewhere between maybe 50 and a thousand girls who are very strong, have an urge to kill, and as general trend have a quite large view of themselves as being superhuman in ways that include more than just strength (i.e. they don’t see other people as being equals or deserving of equal respect.)

You’ve got abusive relationships, it’s a fact that in most abusive relationships it’s the female that’s abusive. People don’t usually care as mush about these because it is usually emotional and psychological abuse. The accepted reason for this is because the women, or girls (depending on age) only used mental abuse is that they don’t consider themselves strong enough to physically hurt the guy they are with.

I’m not a woman hater, but so many people are being like oh that’s great, and it’s not. Giving any large group of people (regardless of gender) that much power would have horrible results. The world would writhe, and someone would have to fix it. (Angel?)

Do we really want people like Beverley Allitt, Genene Jones, Julius Fazekas, Waltraud Wagner, Lenora Perez, Filipina Narciso, Elizabeth Bathory, Velma Barfield, Nanny Doss, Anna Marie Hahn, Marie Hilley, and Dorothea Puente with super powers? (These are just some of the first few names that come up when you search for serial killers [the female ones of course]) Some of these killed hundreds, without slayer strength.

The good guys will have their hands full, so I think that it’s an interesting turn to make for the last episode.

Think of the damage. Think of the damage that 50 slayers could do.

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Originally posted by Nicola:
Wow. You are really assuming something when you suggest that a large amount of the new 'chosen' would be bad. Holy cow.

And that the good 'guys' will have their hands full! Like the only good people left will be guys. Holy cow again.

Also, I would like to know where you get your fact that most abusive relationships are female on male abuse. I never heard that one before, and I have done some study of the issue.

I would like to have a reference for that last item if possible.

I am still gasping.

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