Buffy season six and seven, Worth owning? by chrisisall

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Buffy season six and seven, Worth owning?

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Friday, April 14, 2006 5:04 AM

I'm on the verge of selling a ton of comics, and was planning on getting Voyager seasons 4 - 7 (Which I don't remember all that well, except for the eps on the recently released 'Collectives' that I got), but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if I might like Buffy 6 & 7 (Which I haven't seen at all yet) more (Plus, it would be cheaper, I could sell the Buffy I already own and order the Chosen Collection).

Any opinions on which would be more desireable to posess?

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:39 AM

I would recommend getting Season Six and Seven of Buffy. Although some people have complained about a drop in quality over the last two seasons of the show, that opinion is by no means universal and you can't really know where you'd stand on the debate until you watch 'em, now can you?

And no matter one's stance on the last few seasons, it has to be said that they contain some of the best "Buffy" episodes of the series. "Once More With Feeling" is really a must-see for any "Buffy" fan and is one of Joss' finest achievements. Another pair of episodes that come immediately to mind are "Conversations With Dead People" (which won a Hugo award, and also features Jonathon Woodward--Tracy--in another fantastic role) and "Chosen" (the series finale, which I feel is really the best way to end the series). There are plenty of other good episodes as well, just can't name them off the top of my head (wait, here's some more: "Tabula Rasa," "Lessons," "Selfless," "Lies My Parents Told Me").

So, I really recommend getting the next two seasons. It would be worth it even just for "Once More With Feeling" and "Chosen" alone. I don't think you'll be disappointed if go through with it.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:47 AM

So, forget Voyager? Are you saying that Treknobabble isn't as good as Caleb and Faith duking it out?
Are you saying the level of writing is better on the last two seasons of Buffy than the last four of Voyager??!!

...I could see that bein' the case...

Does Xander really get fat Chrisisall

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Friday, April 14, 2006 8:39 AM

20THCENTFOXHATER

As a huge fan of everything Joss Whedon (***especially*** Buffy), I would have to say with a resounding no to seasons 6 & 7. They were less than stellar, boring, and totally forgettable. Go for Angel seasons 1-3 (plus 4 & 5, but the first 3 were the best) if you don't already own them.

The only bright spots in Buffy seasons 6 & 7 are Spike and Caleb (played by Nathan Fillion). But if you were going to buy the Chosen Collection, I would say go for it, as it is the same price as 4 separate seasons, and you instead get all 7 (plus a bonus disc).

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Friday, April 14, 2006 8:43 AM

Side note: I read a review of The Chosen collection that said it would only be purchased by people who buy mega-sets to put on their shelves to impress others, and probably would not actually ever be viewed in it's entirety.
They don't know fans, do they?

I watch all I buy Chrisisall

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Friday, April 14, 2006 9:08 AM

Yeah, there's some good, even great stuff in there. By the by, let's all wish Sarah Michelle Gellar a Very Happy 29th Birthday while we're at it.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 9:19 AM

Okay.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SMG!!!

Chrisisall

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Friday, April 14, 2006 9:21 AM

IMO, season 6 is about 50/50. So, if you don't might 50% suck...

IMO, seaons 7 has only 1 good episode. So...

I would recommend, season 6 with season 7 optional.

That being said, if you're like me and what to have the whole series, getting these two seasons is not optional.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 9:56 AM

Lol, I meant this to be a Buffy vs. Voyager thing, but it's turning into a Do 6 and 7 Suck thread...

Well, even if they do suck, relativly speaking, are they still better than Voyager?

I sense chronoton emissions Chrisisall

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:06 AM

Get all your Buffy.

{As in: All your Buffy are belong to me.]

I'm about to buy the whole set, but do have all Buffy on tape, quality of which is not uniform.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:09 AM

If I don't see the last two seasons, I'll miss the Buffybot.

Chrisisall, who knows too much about seasons he hasn't seen
P.S., TAPE? Oh yeah, last century stuff. I got a few in my closet, I think...

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:17 AM

Well Buffy > Voyager, but I'm not one for buying dvd sets I won't watch. I got stuck on Buffy. I've got 1, 2 & 3 but I don't like 4 and going out of order seems weird...so I just haven't bought anymore.

I'm one of those who thinks the quality dropped off during 6 & 7. I'm also one of the ones who liked season 5. Anyway there are still a few great episodes in there, but are a few great episodes enough? That's a question only you can answer.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:27 AM

I really, really like seasons 6 and 7. They are very different, even from each other, but I think they are definitely worth owning. I understand how some people might not like the changes in Buffy, especially in the 6th season, but personally I think the darkness of the 6th season made for good drama and some excellent episodes. Season 7 was also difficult with so many new characters, but I think it all paid off splendidly in the final episode. I don't think you could have asked for a better ending.

A couple great character moments from seasons 6 and 7:

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Willow's darkness and Xander's love, the humanizing of both Anya and Spike, Andrew's transformation (and his friendship with Anya), Faith's return. Really, though, I think the best character arc would be Spike, and he's not anywhere near my favorite character!

So yes, get seasons 6 and 7! If you don't like them, you can always sell them on ebay or something....

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Well, even if they do suck, relativly speaking, are they still better than Voyager?

Unfortunately, I can only say that season 7 definitely suck and season 6 is hit and miss (IMO of course).

But, it depends on how much you like Sci-Fi.

From what I hear, Joss wrote the end of Season 5 to be the end. Then F*X ordered more. So, season 6 is the last bit of the good ideas, and season 7...

Perhaps, snag season 6 and the next season of Voyager you want and make a further decision then. Or you could "try before you buy" if you know what I mean. There's also renting them as well.

Beyond that, I can't exactly say anything else. To do so would stretch my poor memory and likely result in mis-information.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:31 AM

@KellyofLuthien:

Pleeeease put in spoiler tags!!! He hasn't seen the seasons yet!!!!

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@KellyofLuthien:

Pleeeease put in spoiler tags!!! He hasn't seen the seasons yet!!!!

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Ok fine, but certainly he hasn't lived under a rock for the past 4 years? I knew practically everything that happened in the entire Buffy arc (seasons 1-7) before I watched a single episode! Also, he alludes to Caleb and Faith, so he at least already knows SOMETHING of the plot.

Anyway Chris, if I spoiled you, I'm sorry, but I didn't really say much at all, considering how much DOES happen in seasons 6 and 7. Buy them, and I hope you like them!

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I wonder if I might like Buffy 6 & 7 (Which I haven't seen at all yet) more (Plus, it would be cheaper, I could sell the Buffy I already own and order the Chosen Collection).

you need to have season 6
it has a lot of interesting & surprising developments,
but the thing you own (and rewatch many times)
is the amazing musical episode...
Joss wrote the music to fit the abilities of each of his actors,
with lyrics which really specifically tell their secrets and advance the season's arc
it is an amazing episode, and the commentary is great AND there is a 'making of' special which is wonderful....

then in another year or so I'll advise you that you should also own Season 7, just to have the whole set....

(BTW did you love S4 as much as I did?)

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by KellyofLuthien:
I knew practically everything that happened in the entire Buffy arc (seasons 1-7) before I watched a single episode! Also, he alludes to Caleb and Faith, so he at least already knows SOMETHING of the plot.

I know as much about seasons 6 & 7 as Spock did about Edith Keeler, all the general happenings, but not too many specifics, so no sorry needed.

I must say that I thought Glory (S5) was an uneven Bad at best, I hope the First is more effective at being powerful and dangerious...

Mean Willow will be fun Chrisisall

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Friday, April 14, 2006 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by embers:

(BTW did you love S4 as much as I did?)

It was a hoot and a half, liked it almost as much as 3, about equal to 2.
Was lukewarm on 5, mostly due to lame 'God' Glory who had problems in heels...

And hated to say bye to Reilly

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But The Body shook me for DAYS!!!! And Fool For Love was awsome.

The Initiative was a real kick Chrisisall

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Friday, April 14, 2006 11:10 AM

The Body is my favorite episode. :)

I liked Glory overall. I think her craziness might have been part of the "uneven" aspect.

But I think my favorite Big Bad would have to be the Mayor.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by KellyofLuthien:

I liked Glory overall. I think her craziness might have been part of the "uneven" aspect.

As a god, she should have made creme tartar out of Buffy AND Willow; she was more like a REALLY powerful demon, and as such, would have been more believable IMHO.
The actress was great.

Agreeing about the Mayor Chrisisall

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Friday, April 14, 2006 11:18 AM

yep, they're definitely worth it, voyager is awesome, but buffy beats it :)

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Friday, April 14, 2006 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
yep, they're definitely worth it, voyager is awesome, but buffy beats it :)

I love Voyager, but if memory serves, there's a lot of same-ness about the shows (except the Borg eps), whereas Buffy was always changing. Change is good, dramatically speaking.

Chrisisall for drama

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Friday, April 14, 2006 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Buffy was always changing. Change is good, dramatically speaking.

Chrisisall for drama

yeah, I think the worst of Buffy holds up to repeated viewings (I know people who think 'Beer Bad' is one of the all time worst episodes, but it definitely had some amazing moments (I like it better now than when I first saw it).

I wasn't crazy about season 5 either...because I didn't get into Glory,
but there were amazing individual episodes: The Body being one of the all time best. Did you listen to the commentary? Joss was really sharing a lot of his personal pain in that one.

I really do want you to watch Season 6 soon, and tell us what you think... I think you'll feel that it is worth the angst.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 11:39 AM

Tape can be OK for things you are only viewing once or twice, but don't discount all the old formats. I will never relinquish my Golden Age of Looney Tunes, Art of Tom and Jerry, or Song of the South Laserdiscs, so I have my regular player, and a backup LD player that I keep in my closet just for parts.

BTW, I'm right there with ya in wishing SMG a happy happy one!

mmmmmm--buffybot.

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He's my husband.
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Friday, April 14, 2006 12:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Side note: I read a review of The Chosen collection that said it would only be purchased by people who buy mega-sets to put on their shelves to impress others, and probably would not actually ever be viewed in it's entirety.
They don't know fans, do they?

I watch all I buy Chrisisall

I bought The Chosen Collection to save money. I got hooked after renting the first two seasons. Also, I had to buy my own set because I couldn't stand the skips and scratches on the rentals.

I'm up to Season 4. But, I have a thing about completeness. If I don't have the whole picture, I feel like I don't have the whole vision of the writers/cast/crew.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 3:22 PM

Chris, I honestly couldn't tell you which one to buy. I know I would buy Buffy, but that is only due to the fact that i have not seen a single Voyager episode and that Star Trek has never piqued my interest.

My opinion on 6 and 7 is "changeable but intense" (quoting Anya from season 7). Sometimes I love these two seasons and other times i'm not that into them. 6 is really dark and deals with addictions and abusive relationships. 7 is lighter and deals with power- "those that have it and those that know how to use it."

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Friday, April 14, 2006 9:39 PM

OMG, are people actually comparing Voyager of all things to Buffy? What are you guys on over here? I saw the entire series of Voyager (to my retrospective embarassment) and can only say that I was stunned by how consistently mediocre it was. Only a small handful of standout episodes in the whole series, and when put up against Star Trek: The Next Generation, a complete failure.

Anyway, I'm always in a way hurt by the amount of online hate towards S6 and S7. I suppose that's why I decided to start up my own in-depth Buffy review site, so I can make a (likely feeble) attempt and showing how awesome S6 is (it's quite possibly my *favorite* season), and how decent S7 is (not the best *Buffy* season, but still incredible with a ton of stand-out episodes).

Please ignore everyone who tells you it sucks -- opinions widely vary on this issue and you HAVE to decide for yourself.

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 12:17 AM

I would say Buffy S7 is comparable to Voyager in that most of the eps produce an emotional response equivalent to 'meh'. Buffy S6 on the other hand makes me want to scratch my own eyes out.

If you *must* choose between these two (and I think there are tons of other dvds you could be watching...) then probably Buffy, since you might enjoy the last two seasons as some crazy folk tend to ;)

Side note: Was the OMWF individual dvd released in the US?

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:37 AM

As a fan of both I would easily recommend you own Voyager 4 - 7 but as a new Buffy fan you must own 6 and 7. Season 6 is my second favorite season. The Trio are a sci-fi geek's dream come true villans. Joss and the writers had fun using every Star Wars, Star Trek, Potter, ect.... reference they could.

I own the Chosen Collection and I love it.

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:28 AM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
(and I think there are tons of other dvds you could be watching...)

I'm waiting for Brisco, other than that, what should I be watching, Grounded?
Andromeda!
Charmed!
Smallville!
(Non of the above!)

Chrisisall, leaning heavily toward Buffy

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by landodapimp:

I own the Chosen Collection and I love it.

Ah, but do you own Voyager? And if so, how did you finance it?

Scraping $ Chrisisall

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:36 AM

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Originally posted by Lovok:

Please ignore everyone who tells you it sucks -- opinions widely vary on this issue and you HAVE to decide for yourself.

I've seen up to season 5, and I have to say, I thought it SUCKED when Reilly left!
Later I thought about it, and it's not about what I personally am comfortable or un-comfortable with (See: Wash), it's a story Joss wanted to tell.
I think I'm ready for 6 and 7 now.

Dawn still bugs me Chrisisall

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
(and I think there are tons of other dvds you could be watching...)
I'm waiting for Brisco, other than that, what should I be watching, Grounded?
Andromeda!
Charmed!
Smallville!
(Non of the above!)

In terms of TV shows, I suppose it depends what you've seen already/what you like besides Trek, Buffy and Dark Angel. Off the top of my head: Miracles, Wonderfalls, Harsh Realm, Lone Gunmen (all cancelled :( ), Millennium, The 4400, The Dead Zone, Lost, Battlestar Galactica, Sliders (early seasons), Quantum Leap, The Invisible Man (R2 only I believe).

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Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:39 AM

Well, I haven't seen season six of Buffy recently, but over winter break this year I watched the entire seventh season, and every episode, except for maybe three of them, had me teary-eyed/actually crying by the end. Its seriously powerful stuff. Definately worth owning. I would chose Buffy over Voyager in a second (and I did; I own the Chosen collection, but no voyager at all -- and I fraking *heart* voyager).

If you do get voyager, tell me if they have any good special features or anything.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:53 AM

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Originally posted by Grounded:

In terms of TV shows, I suppose it depends what you've seen already/what you like besides Trek, Buffy and Dark Angel. Off the top of my head: Miracles, Wonderfalls, Harsh Realm, Lone Gunmen (all cancelled :( ), Millennium, The 4400, The Dead Zone, Lost, Battlestar Galactica, Sliders (early seasons), Quantum Leap, The Invisible Man (R2 only I believe).

I have the new Galactica, the rest I've seen and/or hold no interest in owning, I'm afraid. A show must have martial arts, star Bruce Campbell, or be set in space for me to want to pay for it, bottom line (With the rare exception of Airwolf, although it kinda has martial arts...).

Hard line Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:03 AM

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Originally posted by Arcadia:
I fraking *heart* voyager.

If you do, you must at LEAST get the Borg Fan Collective; It is mostly Voyager eps- the best ones, including the last one. It's only $30, cheap for 14 eps when you see that 24 (a season) is $100!!!!!

While I like Voyager, I remember that it did have quite a few medeocre eps, I think I'll stay with the Voyager I have on the Fan Collectives, and go for the Chosen Collection!

Thanks for the season seven review, Arcadia. Oh, and from what I've read, the special features are the standard stuff on Voyager, selected cast interviews, makeup, FX... (They should read 'standard features' on most DVD's now)

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:28 AM

LONGLOSTBRISTOW

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I've seen up to season 5, and I have to say, I thought it SUCKED when Reilly left!
Later I thought about it, and it's not about what I personally am comfortable or un-comfortable with (See: Wash), it's a story Joss wanted to tell.
I think I'm ready for 6 and 7 now.

Dawn still bugs me Chrisisall

I was one of the people cheering when he left, mainly because I never liked his character...And Dawn still bugs me...3 years after it's been off the air.

And I say go for 6 and 7. I've always been a fan of both. I actually find myself watching the episodes from 6 and 7 more often than any of the other seasons. ::shrug::

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:57 AM

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Originally posted by longlostbristow:

And I say go for 6 and 7.

At the risk of sounding like Mal, after I get the Chosen Collection, I suspect I'll be a fan of all seven

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:15 AM

Season six will always be my favorite year. It goes dark and intense but it really packs a punch.

Also it's a very, very funny year too. And the musical will always go down in history. Buy it!

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:43 AM

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Originally posted by dietcoke:
Season six will always be my favorite year. Buy it!

Well, if it's an order....

Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:29 AM

I hadn't heard about the borg collection. I'm going to check it out! Thanks, Chrisiall!

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:27 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:

In terms of TV shows, I suppose it depends what you've seen already/what you like besides Trek, Buffy and Dark Angel. Off the top of my head: Miracles, Wonderfalls, Harsh Realm, Lone Gunmen (all cancelled :( ), Millennium, The 4400, The Dead Zone, Lost, Battlestar Galactica, Sliders (early seasons), Quantum Leap, The Invisible Man (R2 only I believe).
I have the new Galactica, the rest I've seen and/or hold no interest in owning, I'm afraid.

You've seen them and you'd rather spend money on Voyager? MADNESS!

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:33 AM

Never did claim to be particularly sane.

Warp NES cell brained Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:42 AM

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Personally, I thought season 6 of Buffy was incredibly good, but then I seem to be in the minority. Depends on how you like your Buffy. Season 7 is okay, but a real letdown after the brilliant season 6.

However, if you haven't seen Angel I'd reccommend getting that instead. Each season just gets better and better. On the whole tho, it's better watching than Buffy.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:45 AM

I'd personally go with Voyager. Not just because I am a Trek fan, I am also a big Buffy fan - but in my opinion season 6 of Buffy was directionless and poorly put together, and you can buy 'Once More With Feeling' as a separate DVD if you want it. I certainly felt let down by season 6 of Buffy, so much so my DVD collection stops at season 5.

But this is just my humble opinion and I know there are those that loved season 6, and they have every right to their opinion too. So I guess the only decision you have to make is what your feelings are now that you've heard from those that loved it and those that didn't.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:48 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

I've seen up to season 5, and I have to say, I thought it SUCKED when Reilly left!
Later I thought about it, and it's not about what I personally am comfortable or un-comfortable with (See: Wash), it's a story Joss wanted to tell.
I think I'm ready for 6 and 7 now.

Dawn still bugs me Chrisisall

Personally I never bonded w/Reilly, so I didn't mind when he left (it isn't like I ever expected to see Buffy HAPPY, after all...she isn't likely to be allowed to get married and have many fat babies)

And everyone finds Dawn annoying, the poor thing, that is her only purpose in life: to be a burden for Buffy....

Joss never did believe in telling the boring tales of happy people... he always has to keep Buffy just as miserable as possible.

I'll be interested in your comments on Season 6!

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:50 AM

Well, the only full season I own is 3, and getting the Chosen collection would give me them all, so even if I don't like 6 or 7, I'll still have 2 thru 4 (my faves) in full.
That pretty much makes my decision for me, I guess.

Still a Voyager fan Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:00 AM

Sounds like a wise choice, let us all know what you thought of them though, ok? After all this debate I'm curious to see what you think!

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:00 AM

It occurrs to me that the opinions on Buffy's last two seasons are about as polarized as the level of acceptance over a certain character's demise in Serenity...

Joss likes it when we squirm, eh?

Grrrr Chrisisall

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