Buffy season six review by a newbie (BIG with the spoilers) by chrisisall

You absolutely tore through it!

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Monday, May 1, 2006 5:51 AM

What can I say; I'm Reaver-like about my shows.
I'm four eps into seven now. Spike is facinating me, might have to pick up Angel S5 to follow up on him...
Seeing Spike sink so low as to try to rape Buffy was harsh, but it made his fighting for his soul quite well motivated and believable IMHO.

And to think, a while back I was stopping with Buffy's fourth season!?!?

Spike not bugs Chrisisall

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Monday, May 1, 2006 12:15 PM

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but it made his fighting for his soul quite well motivated and believable IMHO.

That was a bit of a cheat if you ask me. Spike clearly has no intention of winning back his soul as he rides out of Sunnydale. The writers deliberately word his lines ambiguously, but it's all in his delivery - he clearly wants to come back evil. I thought they were going to deal with this in S7, but Spike just goes ahead and claims he fought for his soul. Lame.

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Monday, May 1, 2006 5:12 PM

And Simon personally assisted in River's escape. Uh-huh.
As long as it's well done, I'm willing to overlook inconsistancies. And I think, so far, 6 and what I've seen of 7 are good. Definitly not the tight perfection of 2 and 3, but any Buffy is, well, Buffy, and therefore better than most other stuff.

But I can see why you'd be sour on 6 and 7, a year ago it would have soured me, too. It's all in the timing, I guess (and the demands of viewers who may or may not require consistancy...

)

Undemanding (of Joss, anyway) Chrisisall

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:19 AM

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And Simon personally assisted in River's escape. Uh-huh.
As long as it's well done, I'm willing to overlook inconsistancies.

The big difference is that the inconsistencies in Serenity were practically essential due to the uniqueness of the cancelled-TV-show-to-movie thing. BtVS can make no such excuse.

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:34 AM

Point taken.
I allow a lot more in Buffy than I would FF/Serenity. It is a show about demons and end-of-the-world ploys, after all.

I mean, even Dark Angel had some inconsistancies...Chrisisall

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 6:55 AM

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I mean, even Dark Angel had some inconsistancies

Having said that, I can't remember any off the top of my head...

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 7:00 AM

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Having said that, I can't remember any off the top of my head...

"Twelve of us escaped that night..."
Ummm...Zack didn't; he got zapped.
Must have slipped out later that evening

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I can forgive it, though Chrisisall

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 9:03 AM

actually I would argue that there was never any inconsistancy in Spike's wanting his soul back...

obviously Joss worded it very carefully so that the viewers would think that Spike was going to get the chip out...
but if we had, any of us, thought about it logically:
the chip wasn't a barrier to Spike hurting Buffy and he knew that...
so he wasn't talking about that.

Spike keeps repeating that he is going to give Buffy what she deserves, but what Buffy deserves is a man with a soul...

the clues were there all along, the only people who refuse to see that are the ones who wanted Spike to stay a villan and not invade Angel's realm of Only Ensoul Vampire.

Personally I rolled on the floor laughing (literally, fell off the couch and rolled on the floor) when Spike got his soul,
because I should have seen it coming.
The only reason I was fooled is because Joss made James Marsters play it as angry as possible...
that isn't an inconsistancy,
that is bait and switch
(perfectly legitimate IMO)

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 9:20 AM

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that isn't an inconsistancy,
that is bait and switch

Embers saves the day with a logical analysis!
Thanks, now I know why it seemed to make sense to me.

Bloody Chrisisall

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 10:32 AM

I don't think the delivery of the line was fair to the viewer at all. The only way to realistically interpret that delivery is that Spike is coming back to do some serious damage.

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 11:01 AM

I can't believe how much I'm enjoying discussing Buffy & Angel, it has been a long long time since I've given them the attention they deserve....

I guess it is time to take out my 7 seasons of Buffy and rewatch them all!

It is true that Joss is evil and loves to try to fool the fans.

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:48 PM

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I don't think the delivery of the line was fair to the viewer at all. The only way to realistically interpret that delivery is that Spike is coming back to do some serious damage.

Maybe, but Joss ain't fair, heh heh.

Chrisisall, learning...

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:49 PM

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I guess it is time to take out my 7 seasons of Buffy and rewatch them all!

I guess we won't be hearing from you for about a week or so...

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 5:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

EMBERS wrote:

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I guess it is time to take out my 7 seasons of Buffy and rewatch them all!

Ditto. Actually, I've just recently finished rewatching all five seasons of Angel, so a Buffy retrospective should be on the list pretty soon...

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 9:35 PM

MINIME

I have always thought that, in some way, the pre-soul Spike was aware that him coming back with a soul would in some way be a torment to Buffy - the whole vampire love/hate intermingled thing. He knew how difficult it would make life for her, and, as well as desiring to give her something good, wanted to give her some confusion and pain as well.

Season 7 (for all it's many annoyances) shows that in Buffy.

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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:45 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

I guess it is time to take out my 7 seasons of Buffy and rewatch them all!

I guess we won't be hearing from you for about a week or so...

Chrisisall

I have definitely been having fun!

icon by Ponygirl2000

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:49 AM

You go, girl!

(where'd you get that BS6 icon? It's cool!)

Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:59 AM

my bad...that is by ponygirl2000, isn't it funny?
I also really love this one by madelineanne:

Buffy normally doesn't hurt humans, but Parker was asking for it...

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:12 AM

She just had bad beer. We can excuse it.

*burp*Chrisisall

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:19 AM

DIETCOKE

Loved season six. Favorite year. Yep it was dark but FULL of surprises. I cried, laughed, sat with jaw dropped, and sang along.

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:20 AM

DIETCOKE

Love you avitar! Too funny.

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:25 AM