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Offensive language has included uses of “bitch,” “bastard,” “hell,” “damn,” “ass,” and “piss.” Violence on Buffy the Vampire Slayer is not only frequent, but also very graphic. In past seasons, episodes included vampires being aroused by biting their victims, Buffy being stabbed, and Dawn’s wrists being slit. In the 2001 season finale, Buffy committed suicide, jumping to her death to save the world. The 2001 – 2002 season premiere showed her decayed corpse regenerated and resurrected through witchcraft.

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Sabrina focuses on the daily struggles of a cheerful teenager who just happens to be a witch as she adjusts to collegiate life and learns to balance family, new friends, and studies. Parents will appreciate that although Sabrina is now in college, she has maintained strong relationships with her aunts, who offer her sound advice and assistance when appropriate. Episodes last season emphasized the importance of fulfilling one’s academic potential, loyalty in friendship, social responsibility, and “clean fun” as being the most fun.

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Other shows, such as Will and Grace and Friends, continue to deluge their young viewing audiences with adult themes including explicit sexual references or adult sexual situations.  These programs routinely make references to promiscuous lifestyles, masturbation and oral sex.

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Felicity has received a red light for its sexual content.  Episodes last season featured Felicity too drunk to remember whether she had sex with a stranger; Felicity being asked to donate an egg by her homosexual boss Javier; Meghan working as a phone sex operator; Sean finding out about Meghan’s romantic night with another female; Tracy’s losing his virginity to Elena; and Richard’s losing his virginity.  In addition, episodes included implied nudity and references to impotence, orgasms, pornography, STDs, sexual harassment, and transvestites.

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Originally posted by Novagrass:
What I find particulaly odd is that they consider egg donation sexual content. Hmm...

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What's really scary is their belief that ignorance is bliss. I never watch Felicity, but I assume they made it clear that alcoholic blackouts and sex with total strangers is scary and dangerous. This is not something they're going to learn from watching the insipid stories on Sabrina. The theory seems to be that the only reason teenagers abuse chemical or have unsafe sex is because they see it on TV.

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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
there also seems to be a rather Christian theme to their best list. (7th Heaven, Touched by an Angel)...
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But what does bother me is that this website doesn't expect (or even give room for) the parents to be able to think for themselves. Other than a few paragraphs about all 20 shows combined, it doesn't even really give you a breakdown of what the shows are about!

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Which, speaking as a non-Christian with a lot of respect for serious Christianity, I find pretty sad.

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It appears to me that the PTC holds more conservative views on what good TV is. I don't mind their opinion, I just wish they would not try to take shows they don't like off the air. Truly, if they don't like a show, why not just ignore it? I'm sure a lot of people ignored the show, "My Mother the Car", and look, it's off TV!

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By focusing only on a shows faults, you sometimes cause people to watch just for the novelty of the 'bad' things.

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but I have to respect the opinion of the PTC. Even if I don't agree with their idea of Buffy :D

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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
I strongly suspect this has much to do with the invasion of the 2000 - 2100 formerly family hour with much more adult scenes.

Now you have to filter every TV show and watch it with your kids. No even the history channel is safe any more.

Jeff
Who wonders about TVs effect on kids when I'm told 1 in 12 children have sex at age 12, or earlier.

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Family-friendly watchdog group Parents Television Council has named [Buffy] the worst show in primetime for its graphic violence, sex, and occult themes. CSI and Friends were also cited among the top 10 worst offenders, with Jennifer Aniston's Rachel character dubbed a bad role model for being an unmarried mother. What year is it people? 1982?

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Here's a item from TV Guide:

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Family-friendly watchdog group Parents Television Council has named [Buffy] the worst show in primetime for its graphic violence, sex, and occult themes. CSI and Friends were also cited among the top 10 worst offenders, with Jennifer Aniston's Rachel character dubbed a bad role model for being an unmarried mother. What year is it people? 1982?

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Which, speaking as a non-Christian with a lot of respect for serious Christianity, I find pretty sad.

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You have no idea how happy that statement made me. You made my day! It's so nice to read statements like that, rather than the usual bashing that usually happens.

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Family-friendly watchdog group Parents Television Council has named [Buffy] the worst show in primetime for its graphic violence, sex, and occult themes. CSI and Friends were also cited among the top 10 worst offenders, with Jennifer Aniston's Rachel character dubbed a bad role model for being an unmarried mother. What year is it people? 1982?

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They say 'family' tv.

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But I have to ask myself, what is family tv?

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"Family" in this context, is just a political buzzword. A way of justifying a repressive, intolerant social attitude. Nothing to do with anything in the real world.

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Originally posted by TinyTimm:

Children are NOT adults and should be shielded from some things in "the real world" until such time as they have the education to understand and chose. Keeping adult themes off the "Ghod Box" for a few hours in the evening does not seem unreasonable. If the networks are not interested in filling the time slot, just run a test pattern.

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Jeff Timm
Who thinks people who cannot take responsibility call themselves "liberal." The effect on the Mendez brothers comes to mind.

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I disagree. Children are NOT adults and should be shielded from some things in "the real world" until such time as they have the education to understand and chose. Keeping adult themes off the "Ghod Box" for a few hours in the evening does not seem unreasonable. If the networks are not interested in filling the time slot, just run a test pattern.

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Jeff Timm
Who thinks people who cannot take responsibility call themselves "liberal." The effect on the Mendez brothers comes to mind.

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With conservatives charging that television is ruining children, or that metal and rap are ruining children, or that Clinton's foibles are ruining children, or that the absence of "under God" in the Pledge is ruining children, or that the absence of the Ten Commandments on the classroom wall is ruining children ... etc.,

I don't think conservatives have sole claim on the "Personal Responsibility" line.
Well, know. That was a bit political, wasn't it?

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And if "Parents TV" were about helping parents choose what their kids see, then you might have a point. But it's not. Their agenda is censorship, not parental control. They talk about bringing back the family hour, but they crusade against shows that are on late. They...

Oh, I'm repeating myself. Jeff, if you want to dispute what I'm saying, respond to what I've already said. I enjoy a good argument, but I have no interest in arguing in circles.

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Sorry, I'd forgotten your earlier comments, until you reminded me. There is NOTHING wrong with crusading against things you find objectionable. Censorship is often an excuse for excreble bad taste.

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Sorry, I'd forgotten your earlier comments, until you reminded me.

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There is NOTHING wrong with crusading against things you find objectionable. Censorship is often an excuse for excreble bad taste.

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Sorry, I'd forgotten your earlier comments, until you reminded me.

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Trying to dictate what other people can watch on television is wrong. Yeah, they have the right to crusade against entertainment they dislike. But by the same token, the rest of us have a right to be unhappy with self-appointed censors. Especially when they're as dishonest and ignorant as Parents TV is.
Your remark that "censorship is often an excuse" is pretty ironic in this context. It's perfectly true that a lot of pornographers, talentless hacks, and general idiots thoroughly abuse the first amendment. But that doesn't change the fact that free speech is funadmental right. No more than the abuse of that same right by Parents TV.

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Don't know how to break this to ya Zic, but I don't memorize everything you say as if it were scripture.

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But TV speech isn't free and the courts have said so...

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If you're only interested in hit-and-run quipping, then don't expect to have any actual influence over other people's ideas.

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If you're only interested in hit-and-run quipping, then don't expect to have any actual influence over other people's ideas.

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Zic,

I think you have seriously distorted concept of the relative importance of message boards in the universe. Not to mention your own opinion of your own opinion.

Jeff
Who notes, "Angels can fly, because they take themselves so lightly."

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Besides, the 1st Admendment, like the 2nd was revoked by congress, and we, the people, didn't care enough to toss them out of office for it

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Besides, the 1st Admendment, like the 2nd was revoked by congress, and we, the people, didn't care enough to toss them out of office for it

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Jeff
Who liked this country more when it was free.

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In my family, Buffy is a family bonding experience in its own right. Before I went off to college, my parents and I would watch Buffy every tuesday. Religiously. Serious discussions would stem off of the Scoobies latest adventures and experiences: binge drinking and college, substance abuse, homosexuality, and guys that make a game of seeing how many girls they can sleep with.

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