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Buffy died and Kendra was called.
Kendra died and Faith was called.
Now the chain of slayers is just waiting for Faith to die to call the next one.

When Buffy died a SECOND time, she was already out of the chain and thus the slayer to be called at the time of her demise was already done.

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That's how I remember them explaining it just after her second death. I don't know which ep, but I seem to remember Xander asking about it and Giles saying how Buffy was now "out of the loop". So, they seem to stay pretty consistent in their mythology.

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Originally posted by Angeldove:

Showtime, 7.11

RONA
Excuse the newness of me, but, just
so I understand... If Buffy dies...
EVE
Well, when Buffy dies... I mean,
nobody lives forever, right?
RONA
One of us...
EVE
Gets activated, uh huh.
MOLLY
I prefer "called."
EVE
Whatever. You become the Slayer.
With the weight of the world on your
shoulders. The future of the whole
human race in your hands.

Potentials, 7.12

BUFFY:
My death is what could make you a
Slayer.


XANDER
Wow, she's...
(to Dawn)
You're a Potential. You could be the
next Slayer.

DAWN:
She (Buffy) has to die. I mean, if I ever
was the Slayer it would mean she died.

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Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
But still, esp. since they intro'd a new slayer in the 1/28 episode of Angel ("Damage") and could've made her that replacement, I think they just ignored/forgot their own mythology.

Anyone?

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Originally posted by AlferdPacker:
...sometimes the characters don't know everything....

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Originally posted by JustDavid:
This was one of several things that were never completely explained by the writers, and I'm just fine with that.

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Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:


Buffy died at the end of season five, and was dead all summer. So why was no new slayer called? When all the potentials were being killed, from the start of Season 7, there was no mention of any full slayer out there. I can't believe that the Watcher's Council didn't know where this new slayer was.

"Bang."

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Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
Sure, Litwolf, I understand. All that's already been said in this thread. It's gotten down now to saying that because this logic has only appeared, apparently, in interviews with the creators, that it's bloody bad writing to have not only never explained this on the show, but to have had, as quoted above, put more than one mislead on the topic into Season Seven scripts.

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Originally posted by Angeldove:

Showtime, 7.11

RONA
Excuse the newness of me, but, just
so I understand... If Buffy dies...
EVE
Well, when Buffy dies... I mean,
nobody lives forever, right?
RONA
One of us...
EVE
Gets activated, uh huh.
MOLLY
I prefer "called."
EVE
Whatever. You become the Slayer.
With the weight of the world on your
shoulders. The future of the whole
human race in your hands.

Potentials, 7.12

BUFFY:
My death is what could make you a
Slayer.


XANDER
Wow, she's...
(to Dawn)
You're a Potential. You could be the
next Slayer.

DAWN:
She (Buffy) has to die. I mean, if I ever
was the Slayer it would mean she died.


Don't forget that in the 7.11 conversation between the potentials, that the girl named "Eve" is actually the First Evil. He/She/It is deliberately trying to scare/confuse the real potentials by lying to them. So Eve saying that Buffy has to die to make one of them the new slayer doesn't mean anything.

In the next episode, when both Buffy and Dawn say something similar, that's more difficult to explain. The only thing I can think of is, at that point, the potentials don't know about Faith. Although I remember one of them saying something about a "rumour that there's another one (slayer) somewhere", they don't really know she exists and since, as far as Buffy knows, Faith is in jail for life, the Scoobies are pretending that she doesn't (exist). It's not until Faith actually shows up that they explain her origin to the potentials (Who, you'll remember, were totally confused by Faith's existence). So references by any of the Scooby Gang to Buffy having to die to create a new slayer, before Faith's appearance in "Bad Girls", were probably just meant to simplify things for the newbies.

That's my (admittedly weak) theory to explain the seeming inconsistancy in the conversations from episode 7.12. And, as I said before, the statements by Eve (the FE) in 7.11 were meant to deliberately mislead the potentials, so that is very easily explained.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Originally posted by Litwolf689:
We saw almost his whole time in the Initiative cell and they never once gave him anything to stop the pain. That is a good example of the writers being stupid.

Sorry I repeated what has already been said.

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BELJOXA'S EYE
The mystical forces surrounding the chosen line have become irrevocably altered, become unstable, vulnerable.

ANYA
Something The First did?

BELJOXA'S EYE
The First Evil did not cause the disruption, only seized upon it to extinguish the lives of the chosen forever.

GILES
Then what has caused the disruption? What—what is responsible for letting this happen?


BELJOXA'S EYE
The slayer.

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ANYA
(limping) Yeah, I just—I don't understand how Buffy's death mucked up the whole slayer mojo. You know, it's not like she hasn't died before.

GILES
It's not because she died. The Beljoxa's Eye was quite clear about that in its enigmatic way. It's because she lives. Again. Buffy's not responsible for that.

ANYA
Oh. Oh. Willow and me and Xander and Tara. We're the ones who brought Buffy back. We're—we're the reason The First is here, the reason those girls were murdered. No, it's our fault. The would would've been better off if Buffy had just stayed dead. (walks off)

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Originally posted by amrcanpoet:
Here's the problem as it stands:
1) The characters have stated in the 6th season that Buffy's second death does not instigate a calling of a slayer, since Faith is still the current slayer. This is what we were always led to believe.

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We learn in Fray that after Buffy's death no slayers were called. Well, what about all the other slayers that were already alive? Did they all die in that great war that "killed" (we don't know if she died in the battle or of old age) Buffy?

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Originally posted by Quicksand:

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Originally posted by Litwolf689:
We saw almost his whole time in the Initiative cell and they never once gave him anything to stop the pain. That is a good example of the writers being stupid.

Sorry I repeated what has already been said.

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Hate to burst your bubble, but this is a good example of YOU bein' stupid. ;)

Spike was LYING... because he could hurt Buffy, and didn't want anyone to know that his chip was malfunctioning.... when in all actuality, it was Buffy that was malfunctioning. "A tan at the genetic level," as Tara referred to it. There was an entire episode (after Buffy found out Spike HAD BEEN LYING) where Buffy worried that Spike could hurt her because she was no longer human.

Tara put that fear to rest.... and thus, your arguement.

Sorry 'bout that.

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Cut to somewhere dark and outdoors. Buffy and Spike bumble along. They've both got flashlights because, while they can see in the dark, I can't. And while this show on occasion may make me wish for the sweet relief of blindness I'm not ready to turn in for The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Radio Hour. Spike asks Buffy if she's sure she "want[s] to go back to this place with me." "Eh," replies Buffy, "nothing good on TV tonight." This pun fails to hit "clever" and instead lands on "unfortunately apt." Psst, writers -- it's not really much of a joke if it's true. They swing their flashlights around for a while until they come to an unmarked place on the ground that looks much like all the other bits of ground. Must have been their blocking tape or whatever that told them where to start digging. Then Spike, for reasons I will never understand, starts spouting some bull about how they're after any surplus drugs the Initiative might have left behind. Spike knows about the existence of these drugs because, during his captivity, the soldiers would dose him to help him manage the residual chip pain from whenever he acted up. Let's just think about all the problems with this statement. First, the Initiative was never all that huggy-feely when it came to vampires and demons. I don't think the organization that wanted to vivisect Oz despite the fact that he was mostly human would be handing out Percocet to the soulless undead. Sure, they knocked the vamps out to experiment on them, but I can't believe that Buffy or Spike would consider being constantly unconscious a viable solution to Spike's problem. Secondly, we saw pretty much all of Spike's captivity. He woke up. He was disoriented. He talked to a vamp in the next cell, who told him about the scientific experiments. He escaped. Furthermore, he had NO IDEA that he had a chip put in his head until he was out of the Initiative. Otherwise, why would he be so darn surprised when he couldn't get his fangs up with Willow? If Drew Z. Greenberg was intent on resurrecting the Initiative (and let's remember what a rousing success that was the first time around), maybe he could have bothered to idly flip through the scripts from Season Four? This is more than a continuity hole; it's a continuity chasm, and it goes straight on down all the way to freakin' China. So.

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Originally posted by Quicksand:
No. I don't know who wrote your cute little article, but his/her entire arguement about the Initiative falls flat, becase after season #4, THERE WAS NO MORE INITIATIVE. When we see them seasons later, they are no longer any kind of Initiative. The high-ranking government-types shut the whole program down... the people who show up to remove/repair Spike's chip are just Army Guys. Army Guys, by the way, who are under Riley's command, and will do what he says no matter what-- and what Riley told them was, "Do what Buffy says."

Ever been in the army, pal? They SUCK at questioning orders. You can try it, but then they tend to shoot you.

Now, as far as Spike's line about the drugs they gave him to keep him in line.... at face value, I'll give you, it looks like Greenberg dropped the ball. But Joss reviewed every script that came in; I haven't seen the episode in question since it was new-- but I'm sure there was something else at work there.

Sorry your website friends don't like "Buffy." Maybe they should try WATCHING SOMETHING ELSE.

Warm Smoochies,



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BUFFY: It’s true none of you has the power Faith and I have. (she glances at Dawn) I think both Faith and I (beat, should she?) and Dawn... would have to die for a new one to be called,(the potentials react, Buffy hurries to continue) and we can’t even be sure that girl is in this room...
KENNEDY: What do you mean, Dawn would have to die?
BUFFY: (hesitant) When I died, the second time. No new slayer was called. Because Dawn was me...is me. The monks who sent her here made her from me and now the line moves through all three of us. That’s the rule... The mystical forces surrounding the Chosen ones have been destablized and we can’t fix them. The line is vulnerabe and we can’t put things back the way they were. So we’re going to change the way things are. Here’s the part where you make a choice.

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ANGLE : Debris, the fallen school.
A hand, bloody and beaten, pushes it’s way up through the rubbel.
BLACK OUT.

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