Re: Buffy- Calling all those who DIDN'T hate the Potentials or Kennedy... by chrisisall

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
that's how I feel about kennedy.

Did you hate Riley too? 'Cause I see Kennedy as kind of a female Riley- Rebound Girl....

Only prettier

Chrisisall

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Friday, July 20, 2007 3:25 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

You always ask such good questions , Chrisisall !

I liked Kennedy as a potential slayer.She was feisty & accepting of her role.I just didn't like her as Willow's love interest.It was too forced.

I really liked season 7..
Buffy & the gang were all grown up ( no more silly teen angst) ,the First was an interesting and challenging adversary & Nathan was soooo creepy as Caleb .
Plus Faith was there & she is one of my all time favorite Joss charachters !

And before I forget......I think turrning all the potentials into activated slayers was brilliant !

Bryce
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Friday, July 20, 2007 4:08 AM

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross29:

Plus Faith was there & she is one of my all time favorite Joss characters !

Hey Bryce, did you see Faith in Angel season 4...I haven't. I was wondering if that alone made it worth buying (I'm not such a big Angel fan...

)
I have Faith's appearance in season one though. GREAT stuff!

5x5 Chrisisall

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Friday, July 20, 2007 5:01 AM

22CLAWS

Entirely pointy.

I loved season seven. Some of the best episodes of the series. I liked the potentials (not so much Ronna).
I liked Kennedy. She was the perfect slayer potential: brave, intelligent and eager. I didn't mind her relationship with Willow ( except maybe Kennedy was a little young).
My only complaint was that Chosen should have been two hours. There was more story to tell.

Season seven lovin'
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Edit: I'm also not an Angel fan, but I recorded every ep because I'm a Joss fan. Every Faith episode is spectacular. I think she shines brighter in Angel than she does in Buffy.

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Friday, July 20, 2007 5:14 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

I actually just finished watching the series

It is worth it, if you like Faith's story .

While I'm not a big fan of season 4 in general, I think she really shines in those appearances

Bryce
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Friday, July 20, 2007 5:24 AM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross29:

Plus Faith was there & she is one of my all time favorite Joss characters !

Hey Bryce, did you see Faith in Angel season 4...I haven't. I was wondering if that alone made it worth buying (I'm not such a big Angel fan...)
I have Faith's appearance in season one though. GREAT stuff!

5x5 Chrisisall

I haven't bought Angel's S4 either, but there was awesomeness: the beautiful Faith, the amazing [s]Zoe[/s] er...Gina Torres, and a VERY fun appearance by Alyson (Willow) Hannigan!
(maybe I need to watch it again...LOL)

And I really agree w/you about S7 of Buffy: I loved it, the potentials were not that annoying, and Kennedy needed to be the anti-Tara
(I never believed that Willow loved Kennedy nearly as much as she had Tara, your comparison w/Riley is very apt IMO)

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Friday, July 20, 2007 6:43 AM

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Originally posted by 22Claws:

My only complaint was that Chosen should have been two hours.

Wasn't it though, I mean, if you count the last two eps as like a two-parter?

Cookie-dough Chrisisall

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Friday, July 20, 2007 6:45 AM

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross29:

It is worth it, if you like Faith's story .

More stuff to buy...

Faithfull Chrisisall

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Friday, July 20, 2007 7:16 AM

EMBERS wrote:

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I haven't bought Angel's S4 either, but there was awesomeness: the beautiful Faith, the amazing [s]Zoe[/s] er...Gina Torres, and a VERY fun appearance by Alyson (Willow) Hannigan!
(maybe I need to watch it again...LOL)

You certainly do :D Season four had some great episodes.

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In particular the spectacular battle with the beast mid season. The hilarious encounter between Fred and the human eating midget demon. Lilah. Faith. Angelus. SPIN THE BOTTLE! It's all there... Granted the whole Cordelia/Connor thing was cringworthy, but then the writers were backed into a corner with Charisma's pregnancy.

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Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:17 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I'm finding it tough to remember any of the potentials besides Kennedy. To be honest, she's the ONLY one which I thought measured up as to being a Slayer. The only negative I had on her is that her and Willow hooked up. I can see how it might work for some, but I just didn't see the chemistry between them as I did w/ Tara and Willow. Not by a long shot.

A couple of things I'm sorta shady on, is this whole notion of potentials and the Slayer. We know in history there's only suppose to be ONE Slayer at any given time, but how many potentials are there ? Seems like there's a lot.

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And then there's the transferring of Slayer power from Buffy. Was her power spread out to JUST the potentials, or all young women? And finally, was that power some how diluted because it was spread out so much, or was each young woman on level w/ Buffy in terms of strength, endurance, agility, etc....

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:34 AM

GOMITHROUS

I did quite enjoy Season 7 and the Potentials. A couple of them could be annoying at times but hey, there have been more annoying characters on Joss's shows (Season 5 Dawn and pre-Season 5 Connor). I didn't however like Kennedy, she was a brat and I think Willow getting involved with anyone was just way too soon.

Some things, man just wasn't meant to know, like how Wayne Static does his hair... It's the Devil's hair gel I tells you!

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Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:43 AM

JWHEDONADDICT

I loved Season 7, too. Didn't have a problem with Willow moving on, or that it had to be an anti-Tara type (by the way, who's more anti-Tara than OZ?

). I had a problem with Kennedy before she even got with Willow...when she had that disgusted kind of reaction to Buffy when she arrived in Buffy's house. Being Willow's next girlfriend only made it worse. I didn't hate Riley, though. Wasn't a fan originally, but by the time he was about to leave I really started to feel for him. Not necessarily as Buffy's boyfriend ('cuz that should be Xander--

) but in general.

By the way, always wondered why I didn't remember you posting on the ANGEL boards. Now I know...

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So I say we change the rule. I say my power should be our power...
Every girl who could have the power, will have the power. Can stand up, will stand up...
Make your choice. Are you ready to be strong?"--Buffy Summers, May 20, 2003

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Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:40 AM

AURaprtor

The way I understood it was thus:

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All girls who would be potentials in the future would now become slayers too. Irrespective of their age, as with the little girl at the baseball game. As for wether the power would be diluted, I don't think so. I think it was the Slayer's power now in every potential.

How many potentials there are at any one time I think is indefinite, I seem to remember reference to that at some stage. (Season TwoI believe)

I always wondered if this meant that all these Watchers would now be called up too and if so where are they going to be coming from given that the council was blown up.[/spoilers]

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 1:26 PM

WYTCHCROFT

never had a problem with the potentials except watching molly die! i liked her dammit!

Vi was my other fave - kinda willowy.
Kennedy - never had a problem with her as a jr Faith just never convinced by her as Willow's lover. and no, the chemistry isn't there but the actress plays her part fine in The Killer In Me and Aly always makes me cry in that.

season seven has some of my fave eps in it but as a whole... its qualities and flaws are exceedingly complex...
anyone else think it was planned to be 11 episodes long - to mirror season one more completely?

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 1:34 PM

Ha! I liked Molly too. Her poor english accent just endeared me to her. I was desperately sad they killed her off too.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 1:47 PM

WYTCHCROFT

yes indeedy it was the chim chimminey that swung it for me!

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Wednesday, August 8, 2007 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by wytchcroft:
yes indeedy it was the chim chimminey that swung it for me!

Ha! Nice

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Wednesday, August 8, 2007 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hey Bryce, did you see Faith in Angel season 4...I haven't. I was wondering if that alone made it worth buying (I'm not such a big Angel fan...)
I have Faith's appearance in season one though. GREAT stuff!

5x5 Chrisisall

WTF? I did not know this about you... yes, buy it, buy it now

it's amazing, the series and particularly the faith episodes...

I've mentioned my feelings on kennedy before so I won't comment

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Wednesday, August 8, 2007 1:00 PM

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Originally posted by wytchcroft:
yes indeedy it was the chim chimminey that swung it for me!

you know in the simpsons when sideshow bob keeps stepping on rakes and making that "urrrrrr" noise? that's the noise I'm making thinking of her accent *shudder*

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Thursday, August 9, 2007 3:13 AM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:

WTF? I did not know this about you...

I've not seen series 3 or 4 of Angel...
*hangs head in shame*

Got 5 for Spike though Chrisisall

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Thursday, August 9, 2007 5:38 AM

that's shocking, can't believe you were asking whether to buy supernatural and you didn't even have all of angel, it's SOO much more important

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Thursday, August 9, 2007 5:49 AM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
that's shocking, can't believe you were asking whether to buy supernatural and you didn't even have all of angel, it's SOO much more important

But Angel doesn't do it for me like Firefly or Buffy...or Dark Angel

Worked Max in yet again Chrisisall

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Thursday, August 9, 2007 6:06 AM

well maybe that's because you haven't seen 3 & 4?

logicalisall

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Thursday, August 9, 2007 6:10 AM

I liked season one, but I think that was mainly because of Buffy, Spike and Faith's appearances...Two just didn't keep my interest as much.

Buffy>Angel Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:50 AM

ZONER

from zoe nowhere

series 3 n 4 - they suck!

if u like buffy and sum angel 1
then try angel 5 -
it's kickin', has lotsa buff stuff 2!

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Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:46 PM

JOSSISAGOD

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by charliethebloody:

WTF? I did not know this about you...

I've not seen series 3 or 4 of Angel...
*hangs head in shame*

Got 5 for Spike though Chrisisall

Season 3 episode 13, our dear, crazy girl, Summer Glau, guests! that episode is well worth getting the season on dvd!

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Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:19 AM

DEATHISMYGIFT

I spoke with one of the writers and exec. producers about Kennedy. She said they really didn't like her either.

That made me smile. (and the fact that she asked Joss if Buffy ever really loved Spike. The answer was yes!!!)

"it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off. there's no mystical guide book, no all knowing council, human rules don't apply. there's only me....i am the law" -Buffy the Vampire Slayer

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Monday, February 18, 2008 6:35 PM

RIVER6213

The potential slayers were a good idea, and I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with them. What if Buffy in an alternate reality was a potential? We would have had a problem with her and her character.

Kennedy was new energy injected into the close group of Buffy, Xander, Willow, and Giles. I found her refreshing and energetic.

If the Kennedy character didn't work its because of the writers.

-River

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Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:44 AM

DEATHISMYGIFT

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The potential slayers were a good idea, and I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with them. What if Buffy in an alternate reality was a potential? We would have had a problem with her and her character.

Kennedy was new energy injected into the close group of Buffy, Xander, Willow, and Giles. I found her refreshing and energetic.

If the Kennedy character didn't work its because of the writers.

-River

Or because Iyari Limon can't act her way out of a paper bag. Just sayin'.

"it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off. there's no mystical guide book, no all knowing council, human rules don't apply. there's only me....i am the law" -Buffy the Vampire Slayer

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Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:40 PM

GROOSALUGG

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The potential slayers were a good idea, and I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with them.

...

If the Kennedy character didn't work its because of the writers.

You just answered your own question.

They were an "interesting" (I stop just short of saying "good") idea, but they were handled badly by the writers. Hey, what else is new for S7, right?

There were too many of them, for one thing, and I'm not even talking about the house overflowing with about 40 of them by the final episode. The "core" group was really just five--Kennedy, Rona, Vi, Molly, and Amanda--but even that was too many new characters to just drop in all at once. Not only did they take screen-time away from the regular characters, the ones we tuned in to see, but they took screen-time away from each other, and we didn't get to know them as well as we could've if there'd only been, say, two or three.

And their characters weren't developed like they should've been, deeply enough to make us invested in any of them, but again, that's totally endemic of S7, because none of the characters were developed anywhere near as deeply as in seasons past. If the quality of writing had been as good in S7 as in, say, S2 or 3, the potentials probably would've had more depth to them, and people would've liked them better...

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:06 PM

KWICKO

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Or because Iyari Limon can't act her way out of a paper bag. Just sayin'.

I thought she did all right in the Taco Bell "Avalanche" commercial. (Didn't even notice it was her, did ya?)

Mike

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:08 PM

KWICKO

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I always wondered if this meant that all these Watchers would now be called up... and if so where are they going to be coming from?

Yes. And obviously Andrew and Xander are going to be watchers now. :)

Mike

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:09 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

I am sorry that I can not participate in this thread - seeing as how Kennedy sucked, the potentials sort of sucked and no Oz the last few years sucked majorly.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Monday, August 11, 2008 6:14 AM

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
none of the characters were developed anywhere near as deeply as in seasons past.

The series was pretty through with 'developing' the characters- in season seven it was wrapping up the overall story, not giving us character growth...don't you think six years was enough? Don't they get to be plot driven for a spell?
Same thing I hear when folks weedge about Serenity...hello, we KNOW these peeps now, we can get on with STORY

Burninatorisall

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Monday, August 11, 2008 8:51 AM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Groosalugg:
none of the characters were developed anywhere near as deeply as in seasons past.
The series was pretty through with 'developing' the characters- in season seven it was wrapping up the overall story, not giving us character growth...don't you think six years was enough? Don't they get to be plot driven for a spell?
Same thing I hear when folks weedge about Serenity...hello, we KNOW these peeps now, we can get on with STORY

Burninatorisall

I would actually argue that Spike was developed more: he had just gotten his soul and we didn't know what that meant, but we also got to find out about his Mother's death ...

I would also say that Dawn was developed a lot more, when she thought she was going to be a slayer, and then understood she wasn't going to be,
when she insisted on fulfilling the promise (Buffy made at the end of Season 6) in becoming more involved, and not being forced to sit on the sidelines.

We got to learn more about Anya's past (one of the best episodes in S7)

I feel that people who hated season 7 were watching it with some heavy prejudice because they weren't getting to see what they wanted to see, but if you watch with an open mind: to see what Joss is trying to show you, then you'll find that there is a lot there!

PS: I'm glad Chrisisall is a Burn Notice fan! I am ALL about Burn Notice these days!

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

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Monday, August 11, 2008 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by embers:

PS: I'm glad Chrisisall is a Burn Notice fan! I am ALL about Burn Notice these days!

It's the perfect show to hold us until Dollhouse. I'll even watch it after Dollhouse.
I love that series...but I have no the cable...thank the Lords of Kobol for Hulu.com!

You're right about the character dev. in S7- I was overlooking it in my rush to defend it.

Conversations with Chrisisall

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Monday, August 11, 2008 6:01 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Yeah so GOD I HATE KENNEDY!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

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Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:43 PM

BLUEREDGREEN

I love anything written by Joss Whedon completly BECAUSE it was written by Joss Whedon LOL

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Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:55 PM

OPPYH

Just to set the record straight:

I don't hate Kennedy as a potential....I just hate her with Willow!

I actually liked the potentials, but introducing them did cause for less main character development.

Season 7 did rock, and I enjoyed it.

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:51 AM