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Wednesday, April 8, 2009 2:29 PM

AURAPTOR

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White House: No bow to Saudi

Ummm...yeah, he did bow.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/White_House_No_bow_to_Saud
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Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:10 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
White House: No bow to Saudi

Ummm...yeah, he did bow.


I think somebody said his fly was open and he was...you know...checking.


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Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:31 PM

RIPWASH


Or maybe they installed the teleprompter in the floor so it wouldn't be so obvious.

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Wednesday, April 8, 2009 8:33 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

It appears to me as if he did bow.

That being the case, I am not disturbed.

I sometimes find myself bowing to people. Just the other day I held a restaurant door open for an elderly couple, and when they hesitated to precede me, I gave a gentle bow and sweep of my arm to indicate that they should go ahead.

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Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:15 PM

AURAPTOR

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That's nice, Anthony, but you're not a head of state. There are rules for such situations, and I don't believe that any U.S. President has bowed to another head of state before.




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Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:44 AM

WHODIED


That rat bastard was paying obeisance to his Muslim overlords!!!

Fealty!!!

He was indicating that all is ready for the overthrow of the U. S. oy Vey!!!

Did he scrape? I think I saw him scrape!!! Bowing and scraping!!!

Aah!!! Traitor!!! Mongrel!!! Slightly awkward and graceless black man!!!

Capitalism died for your sins!!!

Your dog kissed me, Charlie Brown!!!


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Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:41 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Jeeeesh! Give our President a break will ya? He was not bowing to the Arab King. What happened was his State Dept.-issued "Islam Is A Religion Of Peace" policy reminder card fell out of his top pocket, and he was merely retrieving it off the floor. You people and your political attacks are just not being fair.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:50 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Just curious, but whats the official procedure for the President when dealing with the Japanese head of state?

Do they both bow at the equal level and at the same time, or do they not bow at all?




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Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:17 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I believe the procedure in Japan is that they both shake hands, then they look up into the sky for a wayward North Korean nuclear warhead missile buzzing overhead. Then they duck and cover together, and whisper secret plans to obtain defense attorneys for captured Somali pirates.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:19 AM

RIPWASH


I think in Japan it's the culture that everyone bows to each other. The bow is their handshake. But those who are inferior bow lower than those higher than themselves. So when an employee and boss bow to each other the employee would bow so his head is slightly below his boss's head. Heads of State, I imagine, would bow at equal heights.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:21 AM

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"Do they both bow at the equal level and at the same time, or do they not bow at all?"

What I remember is that they shake hands then bow at the same time. I don't think USers have the depth and timing of bow calibrated quite as well as the Japanese do. So I personally don't put too much stock in small differences between them.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 7:14 AM

RIVERDANCER


Apparently, there's no protocol dictating that a President should bow at all. Clinton nearly slipped up and bowed to the Emperor of Japan, once. What a tragedy that would have been, right? Showing the courtesy of the culture to one of their highest personages is certainly a mistake. It's probably fine if their diplomats want to bow to US statemen, but they should never bow to them, because America makes all the rules.
I'm just wondering why Obama hasn't been attacked for his courtesy before, when he gave a bow to Her Majesty the Queen of England. After he had reached her and properly shaken her hand, even. No reaching forward to shake hands and bending forward in the process, there, just a nice little bob as he thanked her. What a fool.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 7:27 AM

KWICKO

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Yeah, the nerve of somebody thinking that America should ever show any kind of respect to the culture of other nations! How DARE he!

I'm sure this gesture will go down in history as the point at which America fell, and its takeover by the Saudi royal family was completed.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:11 AM

RUE

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Actually ... there is a photo of Dubya definitely bowing to Pope Benedict.




And then there is this photo:




Don't know what protocol says about this ...



... or this (he does look drugged, though).



Though I'm sure this is far, FAR worse, because it's an OBAMA doing it ! (The queen will have to answer for herself.)




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Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:26 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Rue, I think the Righties aren't so much offended that someone touched the Queen, but rather that A BLACK PERSON TOUCHED THE QUEEN!!

Somehow, the First Lady of the U.S. isn't good enough to touch the Queen of England, but the President is TOO good to bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.

At least, that's the read I get out of it from the reaction of those on the right.

Mike

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:39 AM

RIVERDANCER


Her Majesty seems to be copping a feel, perhaps she appreciated the opportunity

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:41 AM

SIGNYM

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Rue, those photos are pricless!

Bowing is definitely FORBIDDEN!

But holding hands and skipping... that's OK.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:44 AM

RUE

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Every time I look at the hand-holding photos, I wonder - where have Prince Abdullah's fingers gone off to ? Anyone here know the ins and outs (so to speak) of his attire ?

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:01 AM

SIGNYM

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I dunno... his hand is suspiciously placed... but really, I think he's just clenching some prayer beads or something.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:03 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Every time I look at the hand-holding photos, I wonder



Every time?...hmmm. You have quite the exciting life I see. Good strategy for you Libs though; Obama fucks up, Hillary fucks up, Geithner fucks up, Barney Frank, Chris Doodd etc etc etc, and you propagandists go back to the Bush-hate trough once again, a place you're oh so comfortable. How sad. I'm throwing my shoes at you right now in case you didnt know.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:06 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rue, I think the Righties aren't so much offended that someone touched the Queen, but rather that A BLACK PERSON TOUCHED THE QUEEN!!


Naw, the issue is that one of you diseased Yankee types touched her madge!

Isn't bigdamnnobody supposed to pop up and talk about how "at least the right-wingers are picking stuff more substantial to go after Obama about". You have to say that a bow to some foreign dignitary is certainly more substantial than an illegal wiretrap...

I'm enjoying being proven right...

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:10 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

you propagandists go back to the Bush-hate trough once again
Not that we hate Bush, JS, but fair-minded people should point out the irony of rapo castigating Obama for something that Bush himself has done.

Wouldn't you agree?

*bats eyelashes*

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:30 AM

RUE

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JS

I tried to find the MOST equivalent pictures I could. I think I succeeded.

I'm just pointing out Rap's hypocrisy. That's all.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:49 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
JS

I tried to find the MOST equivalent pictures I could. I think I succeeded.

I'm just pointing out Rap's hypocrisy. That's all.

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Well Rue and Signy, I have to say that you win this round. It's a silly attack on Obama. There's nothing wrong, honestly, with Obama bowing, or shaking hands, or whatever. None of that really matters to me at all. It's a very weak argument against Obama. My ilk should have plenty of other things to be far more concerned about. I take some jabs at the guy in jest, but I have not yet sunk to the hate-Obama level as many on my side have. We'll see how it goes.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, I can think of LOTS of cosequential things to be pissed at Obama for. Funny thing is, they're mostly being pointed out by the left.
www.alternet.org

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:12 AM

RIPWASH


In response to Rue's photo's

The first one . . . bowing . . . kinda to a religious leader . . . not so bad.

Second one . . . obviously being presented a medal of some kind and he's looking down at it . . . that's okay.

Third one . . . I think I heard somewhere it's a custom in the Middle East for men to hold hands . . . don't know why . . . still iffy . . . looks odd . . . but okay . . . kinda.

Fourth one . . . a simple game of "Duck, Duck, Goose" and the lady was obviously upset that he chose her as the goose. Don't you guys see that?

Fifth one . . . I got nothin'.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:47 AM

WHOZIT


Barry was'nt bowing, he saw Barney Frank coming up behind him and bent over......reflex I guess.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:59 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh, I can think of LOTS of cosequential things to be pissed at Obama for. Funny thing is, they're mostly being pointed out by the left.
www.alternet.org


Signy, we are supposed to do what the far-right peeps do & back our guy no matter how he f***s up....


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Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

you propagandists go back to the Bush-hate trough once again
Not that we hate Bush, JS, but fair-minded people should point out the irony of rapo castigating Obama for something that Bush himself has done.

Wouldn't you agree?

*bats eyelashes*

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Yeah, but you have to remember that Rappo and his li'l crew of sockpuppets around here never REALLY liked Bush in the first place! They only called him the greatest American President in history to be nice; they never really meant it.

By the way, Jongsy... isn't it about time for you to whip out the old "But...but...but CLINTON! But CARTER! But FDR!!!" card yet again? Seems your hate knows no bounds, either. Nor does your love for Bush. Are you just jealous that he wasn't holding YOUR hand, kissing YOUR lips?



Wow - those two should get a room!

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:44 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
but I have not yet sunk to the hate-Obama level

Of course not- he hasn't started a needless war & gotten Americans killed...yet.


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Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:49 AM

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Jeeeesh! Give our President a break will ya? He was not bowing to the Arab King. What happened was his State Dept.-issued "Islam Is A Religion Of Peace" policy reminder card fell out of his top pocket, and he was merely retrieving it off the floor. You people and your political attacks are just not being fair.



Hey. I have a friend who's Muslim. She's the nicest person I know. And she's been really worried about her family back in Baghdad all through this war.

She doesn't want death to Isreal or to convert Americans by force of arms or any of that, she just wants the goddamn fighting that exiled her parents a couple decades back to STOP.

My impression is, most of the Muslim world is actually that way. Sunni, Shiite, Suufi (who are a PARTICULARLY pacifistic group, which is why few people have heard of them)... It's only the extremists going around trying to kill people. There's a lot of innocent families over there.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Nothin wrong with showin a little respect for folks we're tryin to get along with on this little ball of muddy water out in some back corner of the verse.

Shrub tended to hook up some local threads on occasion, himself, and frankly I thought it was pretty cool of him.



That oughta look dapper, but goddamn Putin makes it look badass... but then, that's Putin, seriously even Emperor Palpatine kinda pales in comparison.

Protocol for meetin Putin is checking to see if your balls haven't dropped off and fled in terror.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:43 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Nothin wrong with showin a little respect for folks we're tryin to get along with on this little ball of muddy water out in some back corner of the verse.

Shrub tended to hook up some local threads on occasion, himself, and frankly I thought it was pretty cool of him.



That oughta look dapper, but goddamn Putin makes it look badass... but then, that's Putin, seriously even Emperor Palpatine kinda pales in comparison.



No Mr Bond, I want you to die.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:18 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Nothin wrong with showin a little respect for folks we're tryin to get along with on this little ball of muddy water out in some back corner of the verse.

Shrub tended to hook up some local threads on occasion, himself, and frankly I thought it was pretty cool of him.



That oughta look dapper, but goddamn Putin makes it look badass... but then, that's Putin, seriously even Emperor Palpatine kinda pales in comparison.



Want to see me make a pencil disapear?

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Isn't bigdamnnobody supposed to pop up and talk about how "at least the right-wingers are picking stuff more substantial to go after Obama about". You have to say that a bow to some foreign dignitary is certainly more substantial than an illegal wiretrap...

I'm enjoying being proven right...


Hold it right there, nothing's been proven yet.

I believe the thread in question where I made that claim was more substantive than the numerous Bush said 'whatever' threads. I believe this thread does raise some interesting questions regarding protocols when meeting foreign dignitaries. Far more interesting, IMHO, than a thread bashing a President for grammatical errors. Did not say anything about threads regarding illegal wiretaps, that's your strawman.

I did say it would be interesting to see the roles of certain Poster's reversed now that a democrat is in office. I could be mistaken, but I believe Rue was hinting that if Bush did it, so can Obama.
But, but Clinton... has now been replaced with but, but Bush... I find that not humorous or hypocritical at all.

But Citizen, I digress. What was it you were saying about being proven right?

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:22 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Nothin wrong with showin a little respect for folks we're tryin to get along with on this little ball of muddy water out in some back corner of the verse.

Shrub tended to hook up some local threads on occasion, himself, and frankly I thought it was pretty cool of him.



That oughta look dapper, but goddamn Putin makes it look badass... but then, that's Putin, seriously even Emperor Palpatine kinda pales in comparison.



I once killed a man in Reno just to watch him die.....that's where I got this tie.

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:25 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Just curious, but whats the official procedure for the President when dealing with the Japanese head of state?

Do they both bow at the equal level and at the same time, or do they not bow at all?






Good question. I would think that if both bowed, as equals, and as is the custom for the Japanese, I see no problem. But to bow to the Saudi King, UNILATERALLY, then that's just right out.




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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:28 PM

AURAPTOR

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rue-

Bowing one's head, and a full frontal bow are two separate acts. Bush simply acknowledges the authority of the Pope, as liaison to the big guy upstairs. Bowing to a head of state, ala the King of S.A., where both are at least seen as equals, is a big no no.

But for the White House to say there WAS no bow, at all, now that's just flat out bizarre.




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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:30 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rue, I think the Righties aren't so much offended that someone touched the Queen, but rather that A BLACK PERSON TOUCHED THE QUEEN!!

Somehow, the First Lady of the U.S. isn't good enough to touch the Queen of England, but the President is TOO good to bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.

At least, that's the read I get out of it from the reaction of those on the right.

Mike





So, basically what you're saying is, a black person can do anything they want, and not be criticized ? Because they're black?

Makes sense to me.






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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rue, I think the Righties aren't so much offended that someone touched the Queen, but rather that A BLACK PERSON TOUCHED THE QUEEN!!

Somehow, the First Lady of the U.S. isn't good enough to touch the Queen of England, but the President is TOO good to bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.

At least, that's the read I get out of it from the reaction of those on the right.

Mike





So, basically what you're saying is, a black person can do anything they want, and not be criticized ? Because they're black?

Makes sense to me.





So basically what you're saying is that a black person can't do anything right, simply because they're black?

Seems about your speed.





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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
rue-

Bowing one's head, and a full frontal bow are two separate acts. Bush simply acknowledges the authority of the Pope, as liaison to the big guy upstairs. Bowing to a head of state, ala the King of S.A., where both are at least seen as equals, is a big no no.







Spin, boy, SPIN!

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Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:40 PM

AURAPTOR

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So basically what you're saying is that a black person can't do anything right, simply because they're black?

Seems about your speed.



Mean Joe Green did right when he offered that little kid his jersey after gulping down that coke.

That was awesome!




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Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:50 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Hold it right there, nothing's been proven yet.
...
But Citizen, I digress. What was it you were saying about being proven right?


I was talking about something completely unrelated to you here, but nevertheless on what I was talking about, I keep being proven right again and again and again.
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I believe the thread in question where I made that claim was more substantive than the numerous Bush said 'whatever' threads. I believe this thread does raise some interesting questions regarding protocols when meeting foreign dignitaries. Far more interesting, IMHO, than a thread bashing a President for grammatical errors. Did not say anything about threads regarding illegal wiretaps, that's your strawman.


Hmm, what I remember you saying was that all the threads critiquing Bush were less substantial. I remember a much broader brush, but paint it your way. I'm sure that you were equally outraged over Bush's sex pest approaches of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel .
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I did say it would be interesting to see the roles of certain Poster's reversed now that a democrat is in office.


As did I, and look how I've been proven right. Auraptor, who couldn't stand any sort of criticism of George Bush Junior, is now posting threads almost daily about how Obama is a big stupid head and has a smelly butt.
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I could be mistaken, but I believe Rue was hinting that if Bush did it, so can Obama.
But, but Clinton... has now been replaced with but, but Bush... I find that not humorous or hypocritical at all.


I'm not doing such a thing, and I don't think Rue is either to be fair. I think Rue is doing what Rue said Rue was doing, that is highlighting the hypocrisy of those that defended Bush for everything, and attack Obama for everything.

I was merely pointing out that those that say "at least the criticism of Obama is more substantial than that of Bush" are missing one big fact:
It really isn't.

Besides Bush ate Kittens, I have proof:


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Friday, April 10, 2009 4:41 AM

AURAPTOR

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Did Barry bow, out of respect, to the Queen of England? She's 5'4".

The answer is no.

He and the W.H. Are lying. The question is " why "?

Think before you answer.




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Friday, April 10, 2009 5:04 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


So, Rap

What you're saying is Bush can bow to anyone, can hold hands with men, even kiss them on the lips, and grope a female head of state at a meeting - and it's ALL OK ! with you.

Think before you answer.

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Friday, April 10, 2009 5:06 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


But, but Bush...

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Friday, April 10, 2009 5:12 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
But, but Bush...


But but pointing out hypocrisy...

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Friday, April 10, 2009 6:20 AM

RUE

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No one on the 'left' (which is actually slightly right of middle) made any case against Bush for holding hands, kissing, bowing, or groping.

So, the situations aren't quite the same.

I just find the level of hypocrisy to be quite high, and worth pointing out.


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Friday, April 10, 2009 6:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, Bush bowed to the POPE for god's sake! So CLEARLY our Army is now part of the Vatican Guard!
Quote:

He and the W.H. Are lying. The question is " why "?
To drive you even more nuts than you already are?

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Friday, April 10, 2009 9:15 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


The Obama Bow, plus CNN censoring Nazi King Phillip's insult to Obama's stupidity:



The US president is subservient to his international bankster overloads, as are all non-royal heads of state.


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