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'It sounded like a beer can opening...'

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 3:35 AM

PIRATENEWS

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United Airlines Flight 811, Hawaii to New Zealand

Sherry Peterson boarded the 747 and walked to her seat. A man was sitting there. He refused to move. She took another seat.

At night over the Pacific Ocean, Sherry was relaxing for the 8-hour flight.

A voice told her to tighten her seatbelt. But there was nobody there...

15 seconds later, she heard a hiss... Like a beer can opening.

Then BAM!

There was a giant hole in the side of the aircraft. Passengers were GONE. Including the man who stole her seat.

Pitch black from electrical failure. No oxygen -- not even for the pilots. 30-degrees below zero, plus wind chill at 500 mph. #3 engine dead from shredded passengers. #4 engine on fire...

...

What happens when enraged family members STEAL CASES OF NTSB FILES, and catch FAA lying? It was not human error by the ground crew. The electric cargo door had opened all by itself...

A $2,000 repair would have cured the problem, but airlines decided that was "too expensive".

It was the last scheduled flight for the 747 pilot before mandatory retirement. Good thing he learned to fly a glider.



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http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/26/us/aboard-flight-811-passengers-rout
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_811

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Monday, January 4, 2010 10:14 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
It was the last scheduled flight for the 747 pilot before mandatory retirement. Good thing he learned to fly a glider.



Amen...Good save , too !

Real pilots and astronauts can deadstick their flying machines when the chips are down ; like a leaf on the wind , like a downy feather...Or , like a Simonized brick , in the case of the Space Shuttle or Serenity.

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Monday, January 4, 2010 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:

Real pilots and astronauts can deadstick their flying machines when the chips are down ; like a leaf on the wind , like a downy feather...Or , like a Simonized brick , in the case of the Space Shuttle or Serenity.



The pilots said in their interview that the 747 could not maintain altitude on 2.5 engines at max gross weight. They dumped fuel as fast as they could, but it was not fast enough. Luckily they were still relatively close to Honolulu. No go around if the landing went bad.

Gliders are great for national security. That's how Nazi Germany trained its fighter pilots and engineers during the ban on military training and manufacturing.

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Monday, January 4, 2010 5:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Yah, learning at least the basics of glide-flight is a right useful skill for any pilot.

Of course, for some real wacky stuff look up the Gimli Glider incident.

-F

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 11:05 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Yah, learning at least the basics of glide-flight is a right useful skill for any pilot.

-F



Or autorotation in the case of helicopters...Or , if one is flying an ultralight with a poor L/D ratio , it's about like an autorotation...

The procedures are similar in both cases...Look down between your feet on the pedals , 'cause that's about where you're going to hit !

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 11:10 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


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Gliders are great for national security. That's how Nazi Germany trained its fighter pilots and engineers during the ban on military training and manufacturing.



Also true...

It's amazing how many engineers ARE glider pilots , and quite good ones , too .

http://www.aopa.org/letsgoflying/articles/2009/090107100mpg.html

'...“Efficiency and speed go hand in hand,” said Savier, a German-born engineer, glider pilot, and composite materials expert. “They’re so closely related that it’s really a matter of emphasis. Do you go as fast as possible and disregard how much noise you make and fuel you burn? Or do you optimize the airframe, engine, and propeller for maximum efficiency? To me, achieving speed through efficiency has always been more elegant.”

Savier has altered his Vari-EZ and its Continental 0-200 engine by adding computerized fuel injection and ignition systems of his own design. He typically flies at 190 KTAS while getting a Prius-like 50 miles per gallon. If he slows to extend range, Savier’s mileage approaches 100 miles per gallon.'


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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 11:15 AM

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"Or autorotation in the case of helicopters..."

OK, I just have to chime in. Having taken helicopter ground school, here is a near verbatim quote from the instructor: "Another term for autorotation is technically called crashing. Sure you can autorotate and theoretically it's better than crashing - but not much."

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 2:23 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Actually I *CAN* deadstick an ultralight with a piss poor ratio, and land the bloody thing, although "land" is kinda generous for it, as Rue points out with autorotation - thanks be I am my own mechanic.

There's a certain beauty to the dominator though, it's so unbelievably light (thanks in part to the geekfarm, yay for carbon fibre!) that I can damn near VTOL the takeoff, and with a decent wind going, can throttle down and "hover", or even point the nose up slightly and do this gentle retrograde which is like the coolest thing ever - and of course, my stop-n-drop landing trick, borrowed from the Fiesler-Fi 156.

The GT-400UL, not so much, although it will *DO* it, as I said "land" is a damn generous term for what really happens...

My 'instructor' said it best - "Any idiot can fly a plane, any idiot can land a plane, but only when you have landed the SAME plane, twice, are you a pilot" - I didn't tell him how much repairs went into it before that second landing, heh.

Anyhow my "instructions" were more or less a pencil sketch of how the controls worked, friction-taped to the instrument panel, I never really had any official training of any kind.

-F

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 2:43 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Actually I *CAN* deadstick an ultralight with a piss poor ratio, and land the bloody thing, although "land" is kinda generous for it, as Rue points out with autorotation - thanks be I am my own mechanic.

There's a certain beauty to the dominator though, it's so unbelievably light (thanks in part to the geekfarm, yay for carbon fibre!) that I can damn near VTOL the takeoff, and with a decent wind going, can throttle down and "hover", or even point the nose up slightly and do this gentle retrograde which is like the coolest thing ever - and of course, my stop-n-drop landing trick, borrowed from the Fiesler-Fi 156.

The GT-400UL, not so much, although it will *DO* it, as I said "land" is a damn generous term for what really happens...

-F



All true...Gotta tell you about my SuperSport Stork project sometime .

The landing technique you describe is something we often also call the 'slam-dunk'...

One of the things I really liked about the Cessna 150 was 40 degrees of Fowler flap...

With a decent headwind , I could land it slower than the aircraft was actually taxied...

As for the hover and retrograde thing , I've done that , also , and it's a real mind-bender , making that happen in a fixed-wing aircraft...Unreal !

You're right , though , 'land' is sometimes too generous a term...

The standard for whether it's a good landing is whether you can still walk afterward...

Bonus points awarded if the aircraft can be re-used !

Holds true for both fixed-wing and helos .

Autorotation in a helo is a cakewalk compared to a maneuver known as 'settling with power' , which is actually danged *unsettling*.

Put another way , it defines 'interesting'...

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