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What are we 'doing' in Haiti?

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Posted by a Brit on the website I run:
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By dominating the aid to Haiti, US is up to its old game of exploiting peoplel's misery to gain advantage

I have received the links below from the Labour Briefing e-list and I am sure I am not the only one to find it disconcerting that the US army now controls the airport in Port-au--Prince (PauP) and gets to decide which incoming aircraft are given landing rights. Whilst planes chartered by Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) and the Caribbean community’s emergency aid mission to Haiti were refused permission to land in PauP airport, ten thousand battle hardened US marines, plus their military hardware, where given priority to land.

It can hardly have been an accident that over the weekend, the western media led with stories about murderous looting taking place in the Haitian capital. Whereas more rational journalists are reporting the outbreaks of looting and violence are isolated incidents and are far from the norm.

Indeed some aid agencies have complained the way the US army is behaving in Haiti has made the Americans part of the problem, as a week into the disaster aid has failed to reach most Haitians due to a logistical blockage and considerable confusion. Whilst back at the PauP airport where the majority of US troops are stationed, the US army franchised McDonalds and Pizza Hut are in business supplying US troops with their favourite food. Whilst Black Hawk helicopters fly in and out, which makes it reminiscent of similar scenes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Why the US army feels the need to use such formidable weaponry when they claim their main task is to move large quantities of aid to the stricken people of PauP and the surrounding area is not clear. However Naomi Klein points out on her website that by issuing the statement below, the Heritage Foundation is up to its old game of encouraging the US government to exploit peoples misery to gain a toe hold in other peoples land, whilst at the same time improving the USA's image internationally.

"In addition to providing immediate humanitarian assistance, the U.S. response to the tragic earthquake in Haiti earthquake offers opportunities to re-shape Haiti’s long-dysfunctional government and economy as well as to improve the public image of the United States in the region."



and

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Doctors Without Borders Cargo Plane With Full Hospital and Staff Blocked From Landing in Port-au-Prince

Demands Deployment of Lifesaving Medical Equipment Given Priority

Port-au-Prince/Paris /New York, 17 January 2009—Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) urges that its cargo planes carrying essential medical and surgical material be allowed to land in Port-au-Prince in order to treat thousands of wounded waiting for vital surgical operations. Priority must be given immediately to planes carrying lifesaving equipment and medical personnel.

Despite guarantees, given by the United Nations and the US Defense Department, an MSF cargo plane carrying an inflatable surgical hospital was blocked from landing in Port-au-Prince on Saturday, and was re-routed to Samana, in Dominican Republic. All material from the cargo is now being sent by truck from Samana, but this has added a 24-hour delay for the arrival of the hospital.

A second MSF plane is currently on its way and scheduled to land today in Port- au-Prince at around 10 am local time with additional lifesaving medical material and the rest of the equipment for the hospital. If this plane is also rerouted then the installation of the hospital will be further delayed, in a situation where thousands of wounded are still in need of life saving treatment.

The inflatable hospital includes 2 operating theaters, an intensive care unit, 100-bed hospitalization capacity, an emergency room and all the necessary equipment needed for sterilizing material.

MSF teams are currently working around the clock in 5 different hospitals in Port-au-Prince, but only 2 operating theaters are fully functional, while a third operating theater has been improvised for minor surgery due to the massive influx of wounded and lack of functional referral structures.


http://www.organizedrage.com/2010/01/by-proving-aid-to.html

Then there's this one:
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Haiti police ill-equipped to handle crisis

A crowd plunders buildings crumbled by last week's earthquake, hauling off water, food, candles and anything else recoverable. Suddenly, a pickup truck hauling a half dozen armed policemen squeals to a halt.

The mob scatters as the police officers in military style camouflage fire shots in the air and apprehend a few stragglers, some with a kick or a punch.

Such scenes occurred with increased frequency Monday in Port-au-Prince, the devastated Haitian capital, as frustrated survivors resorted to scrounging and looting due to a lack of relief aid. The rising tension raised questions about the ability of the Haitian National Police to maintain order and its tactics in doing so.

While the United States is sending thousands of troops to assist in relief efforts, U.S. officials say the Haitian police are responsible for security on the streets, with backing from U.N. peacekeepers.

"The first line of law and order here is, number one, the Haitian police, number two, the U.N. forces," U.S. Ambassador Kenneth Merten said Monday. "The U.S. forces are standing by to provide security as needed."

That seems to be an overwhelming task for the Haitian National Police (HNP), a force of about 9,000 that is the impoverished Caribbean nation's lone security apparatus.

National Police Chief Mario Andresol told CNN Monday that the department has been severely affected by the earthquake, with thousands of officers injured, killed or unaccounted for. The Port-au-Prince force of 4,000 has dropped to about 1,500, he said.

Complicating matters even further, roughly another 4,000 "bad guys" are on the run, Andresol added, after the 95-year-old, badly overcrowded National Penitentiary in the capital collapsed and the inmates escaped.

"Today, we have double work," Andresol said, adding that the police department is bring in troops from other parts of the country. "There are not enough, so we are trying."

Bill Clinton, the former U.S. president who is the U.N. special envoy to Haiti, said Sunday that 40 percent of the Haitian police force has reported for duty since the January 12 temblor. It was unclear how many other police officers died and how many were struggling with the overwhelming hardships from such widespread destruction.

First formed in 1995, the civilian police force took over security from a disbanded military known for loyalty to dictators instead of the state, noted Brian Concannon Jr., director of the non-profit Institute for Justice and Democracy in Haiti.

A lack of money and other resources over the years, along with continued instability including a 2004 coup, has left the police force under-funded, under-trained and full of former soldiers prone to operating outside the law, Concannon said.

For example, he cited summary executions of suspected criminals as a problem since the 2004 coup, along with police involvement in gangs or other criminal activity.

In addition, a dysfunctional judicial system undermines the ability of the police force to deal with chronic crime problems in Port-au-Prince and elsewhere, according to Concannon.

Progress has occurred in recent years, as the government simultaneously tried to remove "bad apples" from the police force while expanding the number of policemen on the streets, Concannon said.

"Although the HNP's efforts resulted in significantly increased levels of physical security and policing effectiveness, in many cases the HNP could not prevent or respond to gang-related and other societal violence due to an insufficient number of officers and inadequate equipment or training," said a 2008 report on Haiti by Concannon's group.

Now the earthquake will set back the reform effort.

"There's no doubt the Haitian national police took a significant blow in this disaster," U.S. Assistant Secretary of State P.J. Crowley said Monday.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told CNN on Monday that he would ask for an additional 2,000 U.N. troops and 1,500 U.N. police officers to bolster the 3,000 U.N. police and soldiers currently deployed in Port-au-Prince -- among the 9,000 U.N. troops in Haiti.

According to Ban, the additional forces would "help humanitarian assistance be delivered in a safe way."

Concannon said Haitians coping with the disaster will be patient as long as they see aid arriving. He worried that excessive concerns about security was slowing the aid.

"I am afraid you're going to have an escalating spiral where people who were willing to be patient lose their patience due to supplies being withheld for security reasons," Concannon said. "And then that impatience escalates and brings increased security, which further cuts the flow of supplies."


http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/19/haiti.police/index.html

Now I heard the Haitian Ambassador say their police had been increased to 10,000...yet that's not what the CNN story says. A pundit I heard last night kept pushing the ambassador, trying to get him to say they needed our help, it seemed. We're being flooded with news of "mobs" and "looting", yet I'm not hearing much about the above. Conspiracy theorists here, let fly; this time I'm listening. Something smells fishy.





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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:06 PM

BYTEMITE


Probably a combination of some interest in installing a puppet regime and the usual bureaucratic cluster fuck the US has become so good at over the last decade or so.

My guess is the new government will be a barely held together kleptocracy coalition that looks like a republic on the surface. Those have been trendy for us recently.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:08 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Further:
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How does the U.S. military support Haiti without looking like occupiers?

In the midst of the looting, violence and chaos that is engulfing Haiti, the U.S. military is trying to strike a delicate balance – reaching out and providing aid, while signaling to the Haitians it has no interest in occupying their country.

It is a challenging task. While the United States has been Haiti’s largest foreign aid contributor for decades, it's also been its most frequent occupier. It's a role the U.S. would like not to repeat.

The U.S. military has said that it wants the Haitian people to see troops passing out food, water and other needed items. En route to India today, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates addressed concerns that the U.S. presence could look like an occupation, telling reporters that while U.S. forces would provide some security, “I haven't heard of us playing a policing role at any point." U.N. forces would take the lead he said, adding: "We are there in support of them and the government of Haiti."

But that might be difficult. The Haitian government is weak, its infrastructure frail and its security situation so precarious that it demands a show of force. On Monday, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon asked the Security Council immediately to send 3,500 security officers to address the security problem.

So how does the U.S. military support a weak government without looking like occupiers? That is, to properly support this government, the U.S. may have to step in and be the government because Haitian officials simply cannot do the job. And what are the consequences of looking like an occupation force?


http://blogs.mcclatchydc.com/nationalsecurity/2010/01/how-does-the-us-
military-support-haiti-without-looking-like-occupiers.html
: Up to 10K Troops Heading to Haiti
U.S. Military Relief Efforts Underway with More Aid Coming

Up to 10,000 U.S. troops will be off Haiti's shores by Monday to help distribute aid and prevent potential rioting among desperate earthquake survivors, the top U.S. military officer said Friday, as President Obama pledged long-term reconstruction help to President Rene Preval.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also said the total American presence in and around the beleaguered country could rise beyond 10,000 as U.S. military officers determine how much assistance may be needed in the days ahead.

Mullen's announcement came as U.S. military helicopters began ferrying water and other humanitarian relief supplies from an American aircraft carrier to a relief effort under way at the Port-au-Prince airport in earthquake-shattered Haiti.

It's a race against a threat that a sea of agony and despair could erupt in a volcano of violence, reports CBS National Security Correspondent David Martin.

"The key is to get the food and water in there as quickly as possible so that people don't in their desperation turn to violence," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in a joint news conference at the Pentagon with Mullen.

Michael Wimbish, a spokesman at the U.S. Southern Command headquarters in Florida said Friday that the critical supplies are being transported from the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, which arrived earlier in the day.

A rapid response unit from the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne Division has handed out food, water and medical supplies to Haitians outside the main airport in the capital of Port-au-Prince.

The unit's commander, Capt. Mike Anderson, says: "We're here to do as much good and as little evil as we can."

A helicopter left the airport with water to distribute, and a reconnaissance helicopter is looking for dropping zones around the capital to move out more aid.

The influx of relief supplies has generally been met with bottlenecks everywhere, beginning at a main airport short on jet fuel and ramp space and without a control tower.

Gen. Douglas Fraser, the head of the U.S. Southern Command, defended the pace of U.S. relief efforts, citing the logistical challenges of mobilizing troops and supplies in a country with such limited infrastructure. The Port-au-Prince airport has just one runway and limited fueling facilities. The city's port, which is small to begin with, suffered damage during the quake.

The effort represented a "monumental challenge" that was progressing as "quickly and effectively as we can make it," Fraser said, who spoke to reporters from Florida.

The international Red Cross estimated 45,000 to 50,000 people were killed in Tuesday's cataclysmic earthquake, based on information from the Haitian Red Cross and government officials. Hard-pressed recovery teams resorted to using bulldozers to transport loads of dead.

The State Department Friday updated the toll of U.S. dead from Tuesday's 7.0 magnitude quake to six and cautioned that the casualty count is likely to rise still further.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said that in addition to the previously reported death of agency employee Victoria DeLong, there have been at least five other confirmed U.S. deaths - all private U.S. citizens whose names have not been released publicly.

"And that number is going to go up," Crowley told reporters without offering a specific forecast.

DeLong, a cultural affairs officer at the U.S. Embassy, was killed when her home collapsed in the earthquake.

Meanwhile, President Obama promised an expansive U.S. effort to help Haiti survive its disaster, not just to save lives now but also as part of a longer-term effort to help rebuild the country.

"The scale of the devastation is extraordinary, as I think all of us are seeing on television, and the losses are heartbreaking," Obama said, adding he would meet Saturday with former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton to lead a drive to get the American people more broadly involved in the recovery effort.

Mr. Obama, who had been unable to contact Haitian president Rene Preval several times this week, talked for 30 minutes with the Haitian leader Friday, the White House said.

Mr. Obama told Preval the world has been devastated by the loss and suffering and pledged full U.S. support for both the immediate recovery effort and the long-term reconstruction. Preval said that the needs in his country are great, but that aid is now making its way to the Haitian people. Preval ended the call with a message to the American people, saying "from the bottom of my heart and on behalf of the Haitian people, thank you, thank you, thank you."

Gates suggested that the U.S. is aware of perceptions it could have too-high a profile in the ravaged country.

"I think that if we, particularly given the role that we will have in delivering food and water and medical help to people, my guess is the reaction will be one of relief at seeing Americans providing this kind of help," Gates told reporters.

The secretary also said "there will be a lot of other people there as well," noting Brazil also has a significant presence. He said it was vital to get food and water into the country and called the security situation "pretty good," except for some isolated cases of scavenging for food and water.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/15/world/main6100681.shtml

Do we really need 10,000 TROOPS to give out food and water? (Do I distrust my government more than I should?)




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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:11 PM

BYTEMITE


Not really. 10,000 troops is just enough to replace the existing Haitian police force. Only better equipped.

Although, giving out food and water we do kind of need as many people as we can get in there without having to dip into local existing supplies.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:00 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Do we really need 10,000 TROOPS to give out food and water?


...and run airports (now 2) and maintain, fuel, and unload aircraft, and clear roads, and drive trucks, and guard those trucks and the food distribution centers, and maintain the trucks, and guard hospitals (which, per the stuff I heard on NPR today, are being overwhelmed by masses of people to the point that medical work can't be done.), and provide security when temporary camps are being set up for the displaced (Also heard on NPR today about the problems relief agencies had with violence against women in such camps in recent disasters, and expect in Haiti), and set up water purification equipment, and feed and provide medical and hygiene services for those 10,000 troops, and clear the harbour so when the USNS Comfort gets there tomorrow it can start providing medical services, and hundreds of other things.

Besides which, we're closest of major powers and we got the most stuff with which to help.

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(Do I distrust my government more than I should?)


In this particular instance, I'd have to say yes.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:36 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Believe me, the idea of the 82nd Airborne landing in Haiti just fills ME with dread - given the abuses they were willing to commit against american citizens, after which I think they should just go ahead and change their unit patch to a swastika with the logo "just followin orders..", I wouldn't want those bastards anywhere on foreign soil we weren't at war with.

That said, imma hafta side with Geezer on this, 10,000 boots on the ground is about what it would take to maintain operational security for an aid distribution of this size, logistically.

You gotta secure the airfield, maintain and control the supplies and those dispersing them, secure a forward staging area and a base of operations with C3 gear and maintain/operate it, plus liasons with the local authorities, or what's left of em, and then rescue ops which themselves need a security element...

That's a lotta bodies.

Plus the naval element, and while I am not exactly fond of the idea of a goddamned missle cruiser in someone else's waters, it serves as a pretty damned effective deterrent against any would be yahoo thinkin about shooting up or bombing the aid/hospital ships, cause it only takes one wacko to jam up the works.

And since it's there, HERE is an idea...
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&File_Id=51
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Pretty good one actually, so long as the ship has a decent security element, and a carrier would be ideal cause it could also mount S&R operations while doing so.

I am iffy about that whole restoring order thing, I think we should try and shove that off on the blue helmets, and we dare not even accompany them cause it would foster the perception that we have the UN by the balls (which we kinda do, but lets not rub it in their face) and frankly, the Haitans do NOT trust us, and damned well they shouldn't, since every time they've turned their back on us we've planted a knife in it - here's our chance to NOT do that, cause the whole planet is expecting it of us, most of the news stories flaming us so far have been tempest in a teapot stuff, overblown misinterpretations of actions or motives, but that's our own fault and par for the course.

All we have to do is NOT fuck them over, and so far, so good - I am not sanguine about the eventual result, but there's no harm in hoping.

While of course, watching intently, we loaned the Red Cross the GT400UL and a maintainence crew, a pittance in the grand scheme of things, but every little bit helps.

-F

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